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On June 19 2010 00:14 Chill wrote:
I really don't like when casters try to make something out of nothing. A lot of times you just decide to attack, or your units just stop at a position. Not because you are trying some high level feint and this or that, just because you're busy doing other things. It's not a timing attack, it's not a fake or gambit, you're just fucking moving out. Casters these days make players seem like robots that are constantly mathematically monitoring their army composition for the best time to attack.
Haha I totally agree with this.
Commander: A'ight troops, lets move out to kick some ass
Strategic Advisor: Why?
Commander: We been sittin' here doin' fuck all all game 'cept macro, its time to kick some ass
Strategic Advisor: But what will the commentators say!?
Commander: Just feels right son... sometimes you just gotta kill somethin' to win
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Please for the love of god don't ever EVER say terrible terrible damage (you know who you are). That phrase makes me want to cringe. Not only are you stealing a phrase from someone, you are stealing a BAD one.
Props to all the english casters. You are what got me back into SC:BW and now SC2.
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I tried to mix (fairly extreme) humor with semi high-level analysis.
Didn't work out at all, eh? I got about 1.1k subscribes from sc2, not even a stone's throw at what HD or Husky have.
I considered switching to a pure analytical stance, a-la Day[9], but decided it was better just to throw in the towel at this point; the scene is much too competitive now and I'm already too far behind to recover.
It was a gamble, really; In my opinion some of the commentators are really hilarious, especially the Plott brothers, and I could have used my unique and crude sense of humor to bring it to another level and see if I could bring out another type of audience (nearly everyone in the SC modding community knows me for this behavior and is amused by it). I went into the gamble knowing it might not work out, and it didn't work out.
I don't know what I was expecting; I tend to be insanely critical of my own work and constantly work to improve it, but it's clearly my style of casting just wasn't as attractive as I was hoping it could be. That said I did get a fairly vocal, albeit small, amount of people who definitely enjoyed what I did. After a while I wasn't seeing any improvement at all in the extension of my userbase and decided that the ridiculous amount of time (I was investing all day and night for several weeks when beta started into recording/encoding/playing/learning the game, and babysitting youtube's unstable uploader while it chugs along 1080p videos is a real chore) was just not worth it anymore.
Have to hand it to HD and Husky in particular - you guys definitely knew how to get attention and keep it. I hope you go far. As for me, I'm just going to stick to modding and modding-related stuff.
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Regarding the language part:
I simply had to unsubscribe Husky when he started saying "This is craaaaazyyyy. Absolutely out of control" each time something happened.
Repetitions are rarely good, and repeating annoying catch phrases again and again is a no-go for me.
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On June 18 2010 20:22 Martijn wrote:
Yet TotalBiscuit actually making an insightful comment is one of the 12 signs the end of times is near. <3 Yes I see you up there TB!
Insight is for pussies. Fuck bitches, cast Starcraft, where dem titties at?
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On June 18 2010 12:13 Voronoff wrote:Check out TotalBiscuit. He's an interesting counterpoint to much of the current style of Starcraft shout casting. YEAHH! TotalBiscuit has the best of both worlds, the enthusiasm of husky and the intellect of day9, and I must say, the most hilarious commentator i've ever listened to.
^LOL HI TOTALBISCUIT!!<3
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Very interesting thread, it is good to point out some of these things as many casters lately have been doing a poor job when commenting a match. The statistics tab hasn't been used properly imo and it is one of the best things that has been implemented in SC2. A few commentators completely forget about it when they should be checking some of the most important tabs (Resources, Income, Production, etc) so that viewers get a better and more complete view on the game.
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On June 19 2010 00:38 Malgrif wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2010 12:13 Voronoff wrote:Check out TotalBiscuit. He's an interesting counterpoint to much of the current style of Starcraft shout casting. YEAHH! TotalBiscuit has the best of both worlds, the enthusiasm of husky and the intellect of day9, and I must say, the most hilarious commentator i've ever listened to. ^LOL HI TOTALBISCUIT!!<3
Rofl, the intellect of Day9. I'm sorry you must have me confused with someone else.
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i think ppl get sick of casters too much because there are only two or they both do the same roles, you dont both need to give play by plays or what you would have done. would really like to see some 3 person casting. or at least another SDM who is useless but worthy of awe. even in sportscasting theres usually a braindead ex-pro mixed between the historian and the caster thats telling the game.
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On June 19 2010 00:40 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2010 00:38 Malgrif wrote:On June 18 2010 12:13 Voronoff wrote:Check out uSer/TotalHalibut#p/a/u/0/E8CMTf3KuHc" target="_blank">TotalBiscuit. He's an interesting counterpoint to much of the current  Style of Starcraft shout casting. YEAHH! TotalBiscuit has the best of both worlds, the enthusiasm of husky and the intellect of day9, and I must say, the most hilarious commentator i've  Ever listened to. ^LOL HI TOTALBISCUIT!!<3 Rofl, the intellect of Day9. I'm sorry you must have me confused with someone else.
maybe it's Just your  Sexy soothing voice that cause even straight men to get weak knees 
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On June 19 2010 00:41 T0fuuu wrote:
i think ppl get sick of casters too much because there are only two or they both do the same roles, you dont both need to give play by plays or what you would have done. would really like to see some 3 person casting. or at least another SDM who is useless but worthy of awe. even in sportscasting theres usually a braindead ex-pro mixed between the historian and the caster thats telling the game.
You can't do it though, that's the thing. Co-hosting without being in the same room is hard enough on a podcast, co-commentating with latency to worry about and not watching the same screen? With 3 people? A nightmare.
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Btw a tip for all the casters out there: When you're not using the info tabs on the replays, either let the production or the income tab open. The production is probably the best because that way we always know what each player is doing. It's also a much better way to see what are the reactions of each player to some situations. For instance, player X does a scan, sees player Y's units, immediatlly starts making Z unit. It's very hard for a caster to be able to pick up on all things, and having the production tab open sure helps the viewers and the caster as well, to have a broader idea of what each player's strategy is, and what they are doing, even when everything seems still.
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I would like to see a caster team emerge that are real life friends or something and can actually cast side-by-side instead of over Skype.
I think some of the reason the casters we get aren't as enthused is partly because of the Skype thing, but also because they are college kids in a dorm that are afraid or embarrassed of yelling over a game alone in their room.
It's well within the technical capabilities of a few friends who LAN to put something together. Just brainstorming for fun:
(assuming you have 4-5 people who would want too, which seems likely with the number of successful LAN events organized on this site...)
step 1: Connect PC to TV.
step 2: Set up a webcam on top of the TV pointed towards-
step 3: A desk/table set up at an appropriate distance from the TV/Cam. You can make a backdrop REALLY easily if you have any artistic ability. Especially considering how little face-time the commentators will have, you could really just hang a black sheet behind them for the purpose.
Now you have a rig where 2 or 3 people can sit in front of a single screen and watch the game. In the same room, you would have your Observer, who would work silently in sync with the Casters.
In a setup like this, I think the Observer would be the hardest roll to fill. You would need someone who has pretty extensive knowledge of the game.
Obviously you would require synergy between Casters and Observers.
With this system, you don't even need all the Casters to join the game, just the Observer. The Casters can focus on commentating, and the Observer focuses on showing the right action at the right time.
Anyways that's enough think-typing for now  Would love to see something like this.
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@IskatuMesk It's only been several months, you can not expect to attract a large viewer base so quickly. Husky and HD got so big because of the HDH Invitational but they might fall into obscurity soon. I am not saying that they did not deserve their popularity, it's just that the scene will morph quite a lot.
And shame on TotalBiscuit for using the S word.
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Showing the commentators via webcam during downtimes (between games) would be a really nice touch I feel. I don't like looking at the battle.net menu as they struggle to get players in and usually just leave my computer. Bonus points if they are wearing suits.
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op had some good points. I just listened to Totalbiscuit for the first time. Great work man, find you super entertaining. I like how there are different types of commentators; I get to watch different commentaries based on how I'm feeling
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Something I've noticed from casters is a failure to highlight fairly massive mistakes. Sometimes the mistakes get mentioned, but the caster fails to put it in the proper context.
One example of this I see a lot is slow tank pushes where the player will un-siege several tanks at once to move forward, instead of using the queue system to limit the number of tanks you have un-sieged at a given moment. This is... I won't say "terrible" play but its definitely high-risk play, and when the opponent pushes out while you're moving tanks the outcome is flipped completely upside down. But casters treat this like its a minor mistake, or worse... just bad luck!
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On June 19 2010 01:01 xtfftc wrote:
@IskatuMesk It's only been several months, you can not expect to attract a large viewer base so quickly. Husky and HD got so big because of the HDH Invitational but they might fall into obscurity soon. I am not saying that they did not deserve their popularity, it's just that the scene will morph quite a lot.
They won't, MLG is going to run things through some of the more popular casters. I think people should continue to constructively criticize as necessary. If a caster wants to be popular they have to treat it like a professional broadcasting job, thick skin, professional attitude, and growth growth growth.
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On June 19 2010 00:50 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2010 00:41 T0fuuu wrote:
i think ppl get sick of casters too much because there are only two or they both do the same roles, you dont both need to give play by plays or what you would have done. would really like to see some 3 person casting. or at least another SDM who is useless but worthy of awe. even in sportscasting theres usually a braindead ex-pro mixed between the historian and the caster thats telling the game. You can't do it though, that's the thing. Co-hosting without being in the same room is hard enough on a podcast, co-commentating with latency to worry about and not watching the same screen? With 3 people? A nightmare.
HDH did cast in the same room, and it didnt get any better from what it normally is. it doesnt solve the overlap problems.
i think it can work though. alot of the podcasts coming from tl have really good synergy and diversity
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Am I the only one who thinks the OP doesn't actually say anything at all other than it's important to focus on what's important and different casters have different styles? Because I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong.
I love day[9]. If I were to offer any constructive criticism at all it would to be careful with recycled words. Day is guilty of "reasonably" and "incredibly" in particular.
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