why would they mess with tanks? UGHHHHHH. The tank was perfect the way it was, only thing that needed changing was giving zerg some cannon fodder to smack the tanks (IE 1 food roaches), and lower the attack speed in siege mode so marauders dont roast to tank fire. The damage was fine especially considering its cost and supply.

Mannnnnn, I really dont wanna rely solely on the marauder ball again

abcd878787

France29 Posts

June 04 2010 00:56 GMT

#143

I don't think it's a big nerf, why all the whining about the nerfs ?

Tanks will still one-shot things and their powerfull (overpowered) Ai allow them to not overkill units...

Spidinko

Slovakia1174 Posts

June 04 2010 00:56 GMT

#144

On June 04 2010 09:53 intergalactic wrote:
All this " QQ TERRAN MECH SO OP!! IMBA!! T_T " seems to have payed off. I hope you guys are happy that the "pillar" unit of the Terran army is looking more and more like it doesn't deserve it's name.

Also, at the beginning there was way too much bio play. Then, tanks got a buff and mech became cool. What are they trying to do, shift this back to the MMM boring crap? Every single mech unit got nerfed in 2 patches.

Maybe it's because Blizzard said they don't want tanks to be like in BW (pillars).

Ksi

357 Posts

June 04 2010 00:57 GMT

#145

I'm not sure if nerfing mech was the right direction to go. The problem wasn't that mech units were too powerful (well okay, the Thor does hard counter mutas a little too effectively, especially considering that vikings, marines, HSM, and turrets were already totally viable defenses against mutas).

I think this just messes up T v P balance while doing very little about Z v T. Zerg still has no viable way to even put a dent in a mech army. Like an above poster pointed out, the damage nerf on tanks doesn't make them any less dangerous to hydras, roaches or lings (though it may help Ultras a bit).

Xeken

United States77 Posts

June 04 2010 00:57 GMT

#146

A bit confused about the continuous nerf on brood lords because it really doesn't do anything. Only the armor and hp nerf really did anything. The base dmg nerf before, and the upgrade dmg nerf now will have no effect, just like the upgrade nerf on hellions and thors won't really have an effect. I think that's another one of those side stepping the issue changes. I would actually think upping brood lord dmg (same dps, or even higher) and a decent attack speed decrease (less broodlings) would be the logical change to try out.

link0

United States1071 Posts

June 04 2010 00:57 GMT

#147

I think this helps T v Z but really hurts T v P balance.

Tanks were already pretty unpopular in T v P.

Equaoh

Canada427 Posts

June 04 2010 00:57 GMT

#148

Cool, next patch maybe they'll tell us how the promotion works!

Early game harass buff but late game mech nerf. Personally, this is the first patch in a while that I'm not that pissed off about.

ejac

United States1195 Posts

June 04 2010 00:58 GMT

#149

Why the hell are so many people acting like terran mech is now impossible? Yes, tanks were nerfed by 10 damage. We'll see how this plays out, but i assure you mech/tanks aren't instantly useless.

Liquid`TLO

Germany767 Posts

June 04 2010 00:58 GMT

#150

I wonder if it will help tvt or make it really stupid, like mass marauder.

lolastic

23 Posts

June 04 2010 00:58 GMT

#151

On June 04 2010 09:52 Everlong wrote:
Why the fuck they patch and nerf so fast?? I dont get it.. They waited like month when Terrans couldnt do shit against 4gate Toss..

took them 12 patches till they gave terran fair chance to win vs Z in straight game not in cheesy way.

Melt

Switzerland281 Posts

June 04 2010 00:59 GMT

#152

Blizzard nerfed the Hellion a bit and buffed the Reaper. i think thats because they want more people of higher Leagues to play Reaper as harrass unit over hellion.

i think this is mainly a playtesting reason inspired by the huge overreaction of players when a unit gets nerfed or buffed ("omg shitroach nerfed again... i gonna play imbamech terran!" something like that

).

the overall Mech nerf shouldn't be that bad (even if 10 less dmg on tank seems hard) but it's also more to show the community, that they try to listen to the players (and mech being to strong especially against Zerg was ha huge issue).

Everlong

Czech Republic1973 Posts

June 04 2010 01:00 GMT

#153

Im ok bout Zerg, just scared to see MMM ball masacred by templars n colossus, cos this is huge mech nerf against P..

Spidinko

Slovakia1174 Posts

June 04 2010 01:01 GMT

#154

On June 04 2010 09:58 TheLittleOne wrote:
I wonder if it will help tvt or make it really stupid, like mass marauder.

Is it such a big nerf in tvt? When more tanks come into play they will still demolish grouped units.

ymirheim

Sweden300 Posts

June 04 2010 01:01 GMT

#155

On June 04 2010 09:58 TheLittleOne wrote:
I wonder if it will help tvt or make it really stupid, like mass marauder.

I am also dreading the return of the mass marauder. I have to look at the exact numbers of how this affects the number of shots a tank needs to kill something but ten damage is ALOT and for a slow shooting unit like tanks, one more shot to kill something is significant.

It seems that the nerf fails to reach the supposed purpose though, zerg were having problem with mid and late game terran mech, where you have a lot of tanks/thors. But it seems to me that these nerfs just cripples mech in the earlier parts of the game where you have less tanks whereas when you have enough tanks to stack up the splash damage, a base damage nerf doesn't really do anything.

shieldbreak

United States406 Posts

June 04 2010 01:03 GMT

#156

Holy crap...no Toss changes.

iEchoic

United States1776 Posts

June 04 2010 01:03 GMT

#157

That tank nerf is huge.

Unfortunately this patch shows that whining = changes, which should put Zerg in a good position as the Zerg playerbase is the whiniest I've ever seen on a videogame.

Hopefully this changes the current state of TvT however.

Salv

Canada3083 Posts

June 04 2010 01:04 GMT

#158

This helps. I don't think it totally fixes the problem, but it goes a long way.

Everlong

Czech Republic1973 Posts

June 04 2010 01:05 GMT

#159

Like the reasoning of that + 10 hp was = We want to give this unit maybe a one shot more in a big fight to make it more vaible.

Next patch - 10 dmg = ???

For god sake, why touch tank, just nerfing Thor AA would make tanks less useful, I just dont get it.. Screw that, lets wait for release..

GodIsNotHere

Canada395 Posts

June 04 2010 01:06 GMT

#160

On June 04 2010 10:03 iEchoic wrote:
That tank nerf is huge.

Unfortunately this patch shows that whining = changes, which should put Zerg in a good position as the Zerg playerbase is the whiniest I've ever seen on a videogame.

Prepare to see a lot of changes to whatever the Zerg playerbase whines about most frequently. That tank nerf is HUGE.

I think I can live with the tank damage nerf(Got to see how this works out vs Toss first)but they better leave Hellions an Thors alone.