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On May 28 2010 01:08 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 01:01 Ryo wrote:On May 28 2010 00:51 Kralic wrote:On May 28 2010 00:45 Ryo wrote:On May 28 2010 00:35 Kralic wrote:Yes the Korean sponsor companies are big, I fail to see the point of bringing up the sponsor companies in Korea have leverage in their size. Blizzard is also part of a company called Vivendi which is really a very large company as well. Everything will work out in the long run, expect to see the pro scene to change to something different. Vivendi's Assets: + Show Spoiler +Vivendi Entertainment
20% of NBC Universal which includes:
Universal Studios
Universal Studios Hollywood
Universal Orlando Resort
Universal Studios Japan
NBC Universal Television
EMKA, Ltd.
NBC Universal Cable
Telemundo
qubo
NBBC
The Animation Picture Company
Canal+ Group includes:
Canal+
multiThématiques
CinéCinéma,
Planète
Jimmy and Seasons
Sport+
CanalSatellite
Ma Planète
Extreme Sports Channel
NBA+
Pilotime
StudioCanal
Optimum Releasing
Music
[edit] Universal Music Group
[edit] Universal Music Group record companies
Main article: List of Universal Music Group labels
Universal Music Group owns, or has a joint share in, a large number of record labels including:
Interscope-Geffen-A&M
Interscope Records
Geffen Records
A&M Records
A&M/Octone Records
DGC Records
Island Def Jam Music Group
Island Records
Def Jam Recordings
Mercury Records
Universal Motown Republic Group
Universal Motown
Universal Republic
Universal Music Group Nashville
MCA Nashville Records
Mercury Nashville Records
Lost Highway Records
Universal Music Latin Entertainment
Universal Music Latino
Fonovisa Records
Disa Records
Machete Music
The Verve Music Group
Verve Records
GRP Records
Impulse! Records
Verve Forecast Records
Decca Label Group
Decca Records
Universal Music Classical
Universal Music Enterprises
Hip-O Records
Universal Chronicles
20th Century Masters
V2/Co-Operative Music
Show Dog-Universal Music
Universal Music UK
Polydor Records
Island Records Group (UK)
Mercury Music Group (UK)
Universal Music TV (UMTV)
Decca Records
Universal Classics and Jazz
Notable defunct labels (now owned by UMG):
DreamWorks Records
MCA Records
PolyGram
Sanctuary Records
Uni Records
Universal Records
Universal Music Group international companies:
Argentina, Austria, Australia, Baltics, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Chile, China, Colombia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hong Kong, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Singapore, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, Thailand, Venezuela
[edit] Publishing
Universal Music Publishing Group
[edit] Distribution
Universal Music Group Distribution
Universal Music Distribution
Vivendi Entertainment
Fontana Distribution
UMGD Digital
[edit] Merchandising
Bravado
[edit] Artist management
Twenty-First Artists
Trinifold
5B
[edit] Video games
52-68% of Activision Blizzard [1] which includes:
Activision Blizzard, founded in 2008.
Activision
Beenox
Bizarre Creations
Budcat Creations
Bungie
Demonware
FreeStyleGames
High Moon Studios
Infinity Ward
Knowledge Adventure
Neversoft
Radical Entertainment
Raven Software
Toys For Bob
Treyarch
Vicarious Visions
Blizzard Entertainment
Defunct studios:
Luxoflux
RedOctane
Shaba Games
Sierra Entertainment
Underground Development
[edit] Telecommunications
SFR
Maroc Telecom
Global Village Telecom And in that list there is one important company... Universal Music Group international companies: Korea LOL. You don't seem to understand the concept of chaebols and how influential they are in Korea. Who cares how large Vivendi is. We're talking about broadcasting rights in Korea, a domestic issue. Korean conglomerate v foreign company, who do you think will win this one? You don't seem to realise that UMG Korea is a company in Korea... It is not owned by Blizzard it is owned by Vivendi that owns Blizzard. Please don't make yourself sound any more silly than you already do. Viviendi owns ONE Korean music company. Korean conglomerates own hundreds of Korean companies in all industries, comprising a significant proportion of the Korean economy, not to even mention the close political links with the Korean govt. CJ Group, SK Telecom, Samsung, STX, all chaebols. Would a Korean court side in favor of a foreign organization with ownership of one domestic music company or several Korean conglomerates vital to the function of the Korean economy/political system? Vivendi has no leverage whatsoever in Korea. @Kralic: Oh and just in case you act like Koreans will care about "not having services offered by these global companies"... Korea pretty much has the lowest usage of Google, bought out WalMart, and have decent competition for nearly any foreign imported brands. Koreans won't give a fuck about any services Viviendi can offer - no movies? It's okay, koreans will just pirate it. Music? hah. There's really nothing Viviendi can offer to even "threaten" anything Korea has atm. Other than like... Starcraft. But i'm sure Korea will be fine without it, and won't get accused of putting kids through "slave labor"(talk about undermining real slavery, yo) for progaming.
I am sure it is not the fact that they will have services cut from Vivendi's companies. It might be more of an issue for their international business. Wouldn't that be great if Samsung could only sell in Korea(It would never happen.)
Their will not be a law suit or anything like that. Like most companies the power of the all mighty dollar steers them. A deal will be worked out Kespa will be disolved, but each of the companies involved will get a peice of the pie. Potential deals?
Samsung: Nothing displays SC2 better than a Samsung monitor.
CJ Group: Well they already own 25% of GOM tv.
And so on. Having a fight between companies over a video game would be very counter productive for them. Either way kespa will dissapear and a bigger pro league will be developed where players get paid well, have benefeits and actual job security.
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I followed the GomTV WC3 event last year and it was highly entertaining, easily the best thing to have happened to WC3 that year. The livestream was unwatchable due to the high viewer count though, and I had to watch everything on the on-demand. From what I heard even the premium members had hardly any lag-free experiences during high-profile matches.
I intensely dislike the total control Blizzard seems to want however! They have at no point in the past shown to be able to handle this responsibility. I expect for example that Blizzard will try to at every point use Blizzard-made maps and only rarely admit player-created maps because they're invested in those maps.
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On May 28 2010 01:14 birchy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 01:13 Boonbag wrote:On May 28 2010 01:11 birchy wrote:On May 28 2010 01:09 Boonbag wrote:On May 28 2010 01:06 birchy wrote:On May 28 2010 01:04 Boonbag wrote:
To all of you, happy of this, have fun watching shitty leagues in english, with a shit quality, and shit players that will end up selling hot dogs on the streets once they turn 20. Cuase you can see the future right? Because I have a clue about this situation and you obviously don't. Read my other posts maybe ! I don't take people seriously who guess at the future. Its still in gomtv hands to sell tv rigths for bw to kespa if they see fit. I doubt the sc world is going to end just cause off this. ps don't be such a cocky cunt your making the French stereotype true  Did you actually read them ? No. You're beeing stupid. About sterotypes, don't go down that road. Don't wanna waste my time on some-one who thinks sc is doomed before gom tv have even anouced any off there plan to do with the deal they just made. Company don't just buy stuff if they have no idea wtf there going to do with it.
No Kespa = No salary in the end of the month for the players. How can't it be doomed ?
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You can see activision's influence in blizzard's actions more and more recently
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On May 28 2010 01:22 Kralic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 01:08 Milkis wrote:On May 28 2010 01:01 Ryo wrote:On May 28 2010 00:51 Kralic wrote:On May 28 2010 00:45 Ryo wrote:On May 28 2010 00:35 Kralic wrote:Yes the Korean sponsor companies are big, I fail to see the point of bringing up the sponsor companies in Korea have leverage in their size. Blizzard is also part of a company called Vivendi which is really a very large company as well. Everything will work out in the long run, expect to see the pro scene to change to something different. Vivendi's Assets: + Show Spoiler +Vivendi Entertainment
20% of NBC Universal which includes:
Universal Studios
Universal Studios Hollywood
Universal Orlando Resort
Universal Studios Japan
NBC Universal Television
EMKA, Ltd.
NBC Universal Cable
Telemundo
qubo
NBBC
The Animation Picture Company
Canal+ Group includes:
Canal+
multiThématiques
CinéCinéma,
Planète
Jimmy and Seasons
Sport+
CanalSatellite
Ma Planète
Extreme Sports Channel
NBA+
Pilotime
StudioCanal
Optimum Releasing
Music
[edit] Universal Music Group
[edit] Universal Music Group record companies
Main article: List of Universal Music Group labels
Universal Music Group owns, or has a joint share in, a large number of record labels including:
Interscope-Geffen-A&M
Interscope Records
Geffen Records
A&M Records
A&M/Octone Records
DGC Records
Island Def Jam Music Group
Island Records
Def Jam Recordings
Mercury Records
Universal Motown Republic Group
Universal Motown
Universal Republic
Universal Music Group Nashville
MCA Nashville Records
Mercury Nashville Records
Lost Highway Records
Universal Music Latin Entertainment
Universal Music Latino
Fonovisa Records
Disa Records
Machete Music
The Verve Music Group
Verve Records
GRP Records
Impulse! Records
Verve Forecast Records
Decca Label Group
Decca Records
Universal Music Classical
Universal Music Enterprises
Hip-O Records
Universal Chronicles
20th Century Masters
V2/Co-Operative Music
Show Dog-Universal Music
Universal Music UK
Polydor Records
Island Records Group (UK)
Mercury Music Group (UK)
Universal Music TV (UMTV)
Decca Records
Universal Classics and Jazz
Notable defunct labels (now owned by UMG):
DreamWorks Records
MCA Records
PolyGram
Sanctuary Records
Uni Records
Universal Records
Universal Music Group international companies:
Argentina, Austria, Australia, Baltics, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Chile, China, Colombia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hong Kong, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Singapore, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, Thailand, Venezuela
[edit] Publishing
Universal Music Publishing Group
[edit] Distribution
Universal Music Group Distribution
Universal Music Distribution
Vivendi Entertainment
Fontana Distribution
UMGD Digital
[edit] Merchandising
Bravado
[edit] Artist management
Twenty-First Artists
Trinifold
5B
[edit] Video games
52-68% of Activision Blizzard [1] which includes:
Activision Blizzard, founded in 2008.
Activision
Beenox
Bizarre Creations
Budcat Creations
Bungie
Demonware
FreeStyleGames
High Moon Studios
Infinity Ward
Knowledge Adventure
Neversoft
Radical Entertainment
Raven Software
Toys For Bob
Treyarch
Vicarious Visions
Blizzard Entertainment
Defunct studios:
Luxoflux
RedOctane
Shaba Games
Sierra Entertainment
Underground Development
[edit] Telecommunications
SFR
Maroc Telecom
Global Village Telecom And in that list there is one important company... Universal Music Group international companies: Korea LOL. You don't seem to understand the concept of chaebols and how influential they are in Korea. Who cares how large Vivendi is. We're talking about broadcasting rights in Korea, a domestic issue. Korean conglomerate v foreign company, who do you think will win this one? You don't seem to realise that UMG Korea is a company in Korea... It is not owned by Blizzard it is owned by Vivendi that owns Blizzard. Please don't make yourself sound any more silly than you already do. Viviendi owns ONE Korean music company. Korean conglomerates own hundreds of Korean companies in all industries, comprising a significant proportion of the Korean economy, not to even mention the close political links with the Korean govt. CJ Group, SK Telecom, Samsung, STX, all chaebols. Would a Korean court side in favor of a foreign organization with ownership of one domestic music company or several Korean conglomerates vital to the function of the Korean economy/political system? Vivendi has no leverage whatsoever in Korea. @Kralic: Oh and just in case you act like Koreans will care about "not having services offered by these global companies"... Korea pretty much has the lowest usage of Google, bought out WalMart, and have decent competition for nearly any foreign imported brands. Koreans won't give a fuck about any services Viviendi can offer - no movies? It's okay, koreans will just pirate it. Music? hah. There's really nothing Viviendi can offer to even "threaten" anything Korea has atm. Other than like... Starcraft. But i'm sure Korea will be fine without it, and won't get accused of putting kids through "slave labor"(talk about undermining real slavery, yo) for progaming. I am sure it is not the fact that they will have services cut from Vivendi's companies. It might be more of an issue for their international business. Wouldn't that be great if Samsung could only sell in Korea(It would never happen.) Their will not be a law suit or anything like that. Like most companies the power of the all mighty dollar steers them. A deal will be worked out Kespa will be disolved, but each of the companies involved will get a peice of the pie. Potential deals? Samsung: Nothing displays SC2 better than a Samsung monitor. CJ Group: Well they already own 25% of GOM tv. And so on. Having a fight between companies over a video game would be very counter productive for them. Either way kespa will dissapear and a bigger pro league will be developed where players get paid well, have benefeits and actual job security.
You are totally clueless of what Kespa is and what the organization is made up of. Either that or you're just acting dumb.
And lol the part about international business.
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On May 28 2010 01:28 Scarecrow wrote:
You can see activision's influence in blizzard's actions more and more recently
Yep gotta hate Bobby Kotick.
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On May 27 2010 12:28 DefMatrixUltra wrote:
Thousands of new foreigners had GOMTV leagues as their FIRST introduction to the pro Starcraft world. If they accomplished nothing else, then it would be enough. Many people have the SC2GG crew to thank for their introduction to Starcraft in the same way. A lot of people on TL bash these guys for their non-A+ level of Starcraft knowledge, but these individuals act as the gateway into the Starcraft world for the newbies out there - they are more important to Starcraft than most A-level foreigners.
Just had to reply to this since I'm one of those he speaks of. I had played a bit of Starcraft in the early days, just knew the basics. Without a deeper understanding of the game, watching korean streams wasn't very exciting since I had no clue what was going on. I basicly just watched it from Blizzcon or WCG etc. and I really enjoyed it, there was just so few games. Along came GOM and Tasteless and there suddenly were tons of games to watch. Even if I didn't understand the game at first, watching it with a highly entertaining commentator who seemed to know his stuff made me slowly but surely get a grasp of how the matchups were played. It was also then I discovered TL.net.
No offense, but you need to be quite the hardcore sc-nerd to tune in to Korean SC-streams on regular basis, it not the least bit welcoming for newcomers.
GOM was friggin awesome for me and I can't tell you how happy I am to see it return for SC2, and return BIG TIME!
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On May 27 2010 12:28 DefMatrixUltra wrote:
Thousands of new foreigners had GOMTV leagues as their FIRST introduction to the pro Starcraft world. If they accomplished nothing else, then it would be enough. Many people have the SC2GG crew to thank for their introduction to Starcraft in the same way. A lot of people on TL bash these guys for their non-A+ level of Starcraft knowledge, but these individuals act as the gateway into the Starcraft world for the newbies out there - they are more important to Starcraft than most A-level foreigners.
This. I've played SC for a long time; however GOM was my introduction to the pro scene of Starcraft. It was what really started me becoming so passionate about playing / watching Starcraft. Now, of course, I watch all the other events; but GOM was what really got me into the scene in the beginning.
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Yes company stock holders do care about their international relations. If they have a good one it means more money for them. How would you like your big company profile to show that you support stealing other companies IP(Even if it is a video game, it doesn't matter if this goes to trial in some form)?
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The point isn't that gomtv is a bad thing. Gomtv did something great providing SC pro content to a foreign audience.
The point is that foreign audience isn't the heart of SC : BW pro gaming, while Korean leagues are, and none of us, Korean sc pro gaming fans, want our prestigious OSL's / MSL's to turn into some shady second rate class programm, like GOMTV league looked like next to others.
Giving all broadcasting rights to GOMTV is like asking your local 3rd division football club to run the champion's league ....
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On May 28 2010 01:28 Scarecrow wrote:
You can see activision's influence in blizzard's actions more and more recently
Agreed. Blizzard seems to be selling out lately.
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Its hilarious seeing all the people talk about corporate waring and such. I am sure the corporations like there advertising and but the Koreans even said it themselves on that aftertalk show... the big companies are more to not gives a rats ass and just dump it if anything.
Is this bad? I am not sure... E-sports in Korea continuing as it is wont develop into anything grand outside of Korea I dont think and in Korea it just seems exploitive. People are just freaking cuz it is change and change is bad.
There are tons of people\companies in Korea who I am sure are very eager to jump on the SC bandwagon that cant currently because of KeSPA and that in turn I am sure will convince the already established people into making hte jump as well to GOM and Blizzard. Will it suck at first? Maybe...
will it get better? Very likely.
Will it get better then it is currently now? No one can say I dont think.
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GomTV was the first competitive BW I ever watched. Tasteless and SuperDanielMan were absolutely superb. Now I watch Proleague every other night if I'm awake. GomTV will surely deliver in terms of high quality commentating, but I don't think I 'd know what to do with myself without a Proleague, OSL, and MSL.
I think Blizzard's move is too strong. They should've just restricted SC2 and other recent games and left BW alone. They really are slapping KeSPA right in the face. I still don't see why they can't just attempt to negotiate one last time.
Long live BW.
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On May 28 2010 01:30 birchy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 01:28 Scarecrow wrote:
You can see activision's influence in blizzard's actions more and more recently Yep gotta hate Bobby Kotick.
Man, Kotick farms gold harder than all of the Asian WoW servers combined.
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I probably am not even going to buy SC2. I was working very hard on a FPS custom map. That boiled over... whenever I go onto the boards to post something constructive, I get censored quicky. I don't know not really looking forward to this money hungry giant controlling my game life.
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i just hope this doesnt make a... terrible, terrible damage
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On May 27 2010 12:28 DefMatrixUltra wrote:
Thousands of new foreigners had GOMTV leagues as their FIRST introduction to the pro Starcraft world. If they accomplished nothing else, then it would be enough. Many people have the SC2GG crew to thank for their introduction to Starcraft in the same way. A lot of people on TL bash these guys for their non-A+ level of Starcraft knowledge, but these individuals act as the gateway into the Starcraft world for the newbies out there - they are more important to Starcraft than most A-level foreigners.
This. I've played SC for a long time; however GOM was my introduction to the pro scene of Starcraft. It was what really started me becoming so passionate about playing / watching Starcraft. Now, of course, I watch all the other events; but GOM was what really got me into the scene in the beginning.
i share the exact same story.
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kespa deserved this for contributing to gom's downfall.
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i am happy with this decision by Blizzard, kespa were being really lame, and GOMTV did an amazing job providing us with english commentary of the pro scene, so I think that it will be a much better move for global e-Sports and SC2 in Korea. However, I'm really sad that Blizzard decided to kill BW by making all the Korean leagues deal with GOMTV if they want to broadcast BW games in Korean ;( I hope an agreement can be reached! ;D
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