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On May 27 2010 17:12 tenpromicro wrote:
I really don't see how Blizzard can recover any future damages in Korea. They'd have to go to Korea to enforce the contract between themselves and GOM, to which the Korean government will likely have KeSPA resolve. Either that or they will favor KeSPA. There is no way Blizzard can stop KeSPA from broadcasting or selling the broadcasting rights of any SC2 games in Korea.
Of course they can stop KeSPA. Not from broadcasting, but since SC2 runs on BNet, they can shut down those games.
Blizz can't stop KeSPA from broadcasting SC:BW without a legal challenge in Korea. And I doubt that Blizz wants to go down that path. Of course, Blizz could completely shut down SC:BW if it wanted to (another really bad idea).
On May 27 2010 17:15 StarcraftMan wrote:
Blizzard has NO EXPERIENCE AND NO TRACK RECORD of creating a successful Pro-League. Heck, Blizzard can't even make SC1 or WC3 into a pro-league in their own backyard, the United States. I give them 50/50 for being able to establish a successful Pro-League in Korea, which isn't their backyard (like the USA), and where they have no strong relationship with the sponsors, networks, media, fans, etc.
Hunh? Blizz wants to partner with Gom because of their experience with pro-leagues. That's the whole point isn't it? Use Gom as the broadcaster and have them sign licensing deals with pro-leagues whose games they would broadcast. I don't know why you think Blizz is trying to build something from scratch.
On May 27 2010 18:41 writer22816 wrote:
Umm isn't this a monopoly? And do you honestly think that a monopoly is going to be good for esports?.
In Korea, it's a monopoly today. Without seeing the legal contract between Blizz and Gom-TV, it's impossibly to know all the details, but the Press Release makes it sound like Gom will be able to allow multiple leagues to participate through licensing deals. Gom will own the broadcasting (in much the same way that ESPN and CBS broadcast the NFL in the US). But I don't see any reason why there can't be multiple pro-leagues.
On May 27 2010 19:29 iounas wrote:
Why would any company fund something that is only on internet with small audience.
You do realize that there are hundreds of thousands of examples of this happening today, right? Even if you don't count basic site advertisement, there are still tens of thousands of examples of companies advertising streaming content.
On May 27 2010 20:59 Milkis wrote:
Agreement between GOM TV and Blizzard is a confidential agreement.
Secret Agreement, first step towards tyranny. gg.
Pray tell, what percentage of contracts between two private companies are public? What's that? Close to zero, you say?
So either your comment is ignorant, or you already believed that we live in a tyranny (which does have some merit, but is well beyond the scope of this thread).
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On May 28 2010 01:41 QueueQueue wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 12:28 DefMatrixUltra wrote:
Thousands of new foreigners had GOMTV leagues as their FIRST introduction to the pro Starcraft world. If they accomplished nothing else, then it would be enough. Many people have the SC2GG crew to thank for their introduction to Starcraft in the same way. A lot of people on TL bash these guys for their non-A+ level of Starcraft knowledge, but these individuals act as the gateway into the Starcraft world for the newbies out there - they are more important to Starcraft than most A-level foreigners.
This. I've played SC for a long time; however GOM was my introduction to the pro scene of Starcraft. It was what really started me becoming so passionate about playing / watching Starcraft. Now, of course, I watch all the other events; but GOM was what really got me into the scene in the beginning.
Same. GOM was my gateway into the Korean starcraft scene. I was watching Tasteless and SDM before I knew the difference between OSL and MSL.
Also, Kespa fucked GOM out of the competition by barring players from their league. Fuck Kespa.
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On May 28 2010 02:25 mmp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 01:41 QueueQueue wrote:On May 27 2010 12:28 DefMatrixUltra wrote:
Thousands of new foreigners had GOMTV leagues as their FIRST introduction to the pro Starcraft world. If they accomplished nothing else, then it would be enough. Many people have the SC2GG crew to thank for their introduction to Starcraft in the same way. A lot of people on TL bash these guys for their non-A+ level of Starcraft knowledge, but these individuals act as the gateway into the Starcraft world for the newbies out there - they are more important to Starcraft than most A-level foreigners.
This. I've played SC for a long time; however GOM was my introduction to the pro scene of Starcraft. It was what really started me becoming so passionate about playing / watching Starcraft. Now, of course, I watch all the other events; but GOM was what really got me into the scene in the beginning. Same. GOM was my gateway into the Korean starcraft scene. I was watching Tasteless and SDM before I knew the difference between OSL and MSL. Also, Kespa fucked GOM out of the competition by barring players from their league. Fuck Kespa.
Same, GOM Tv turned me onto it, and hearing KeSPA squeeze em out was the final straw for me. I have faith in blizz and Gom to make this work!
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I don't understand the whole "BW is dead" argument.
The companies sponsoring the teams are not doing it out of patriotism or "for the good of e-sports". They do it because they make money. If they stay in Kespa (without broadcasting rights) they gain nothing. The progamers may be hostages in the legal battles, but there will be myriads of other companies eager to leap at the opportunity to sponsor SC2 teams in GOM leagues. Maybe not the Flash/Jaedong quality to start off, but it will get there as the success is building.
I personally don't care about the name of the league as long as the VODs are available and players are good.
Don't worry, it will be a success... When the dust settles OGN/MBC (or equivalent with other names) will probably persist.
PS. Tasteless is good, but I hate the fact that he advertises his stupid website all the time. He should learn some modesty from his brother
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On May 28 2010 01:45 Vykenos wrote:
Its hilarious seeing all the people talk about corporate waring and such. I am sure the corporations like there advertising and but the Koreans even said it themselves on that aftertalk show... the big companies are more to not gives a rats ass and just dump it if anything.
Is this bad? I am not sure... E-sports in Korea continuing as it is wont develop into anything grand outside of Korea I dont think and in Korea it just seems exploitive. People are just freaking cuz it is change and change is bad.
There are tons of people\companies in Korea who I am sure are very eager to jump on the SC bandwagon that cant currently because of KeSPA and that in turn I am sure will convince the already established people into making hte jump as well to GOM and Blizzard. Will it suck at first? Maybe...
will it get better? Very likely.
Will it get better then it is currently now? No one can say I dont think.
Pro gaming can rise with SC2 maybe somewhere else than only in Korea and that's a great thing. But why aren't the people claiming they want to do this (blizzard), emulating what these channels did with alot of success to their own extent ?
Why isn't blizzard turning a small part of their own E.U. huge ass WoW HQ into a broadcasting studio ? In E.U. and U.S. people are free to travel and can travel fast and sound anywhere they want to, they don't even need to own a TV station or make channel, they got tons of cable channels to emitt on to that'd be glad to have something else to broadcast than endless console games reviews for 14 years olds.
What world wide true esport means, is gathering people in a few places in these two areas, and run leagues. It's nothing of a financial investement for a company such as Blizzard. It's a penny considering what they make off World of Warcraft.
They'd even get money from sponsors to run this ! They could make leagues with prizes 5 times bigger than what is in Korea, they'd still be making huge advertisement profits. Only from their own name.
Blizzard loves to claim out its indoor cultural trend, display it, build its own US HQ to its own glory and creation. They claim to be artists. They want to make a movie, they even have their company rock band that looks just like lost vikings. Why isn't Blizzard running its own channel ? Why don't they dig inside this immense world wide fanbase and make something out of it other than dollars only ?
Isn't that the upmost basic and cheapest advertisement and marketing possibility nowadays ? What's up with not sponsoring any event but your own ? If you do so, then do it the same size you're trying to run your company and make your games.
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On May 27 2010 09:54 danbel1005 wrote:OMFG This is awesome, GREAT News. GO GO GO Tasteless & SuperDanielMan & LilSusie. GomTv Intel Series = Great Times, Sweet Memories 
And with Artosis hopefully popping in from time to time.
I don't think this will be a huge deal, OGN and MBC just gotta pay GOMTV to broadcast their leagues. Why take this so seriously -_-
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On May 28 2010 02:24 Muaziz wrote:
Of course they can stop KeSPA. Not from broadcasting, but since SC2 runs on BNet, they can shut down those games.
Blizz can't stop KeSPA from broadcasting SC:BW without a legal challenge in Korea. And I doubt that Blizz wants to go down that path. Of course, Blizz could completely shut down SC:BW if it wanted to (another really bad idea).
Have you ever heard of something called "COPYRIGHTS", "TERM OF USE", "POLICIES" and so on??
They do have the rights on their products... and they do own the right to sell or RESTRICT their usage to anyone they want if it involves MONEY or any kind of profits.
and from what I beleive COPYRIGHTS are not "country wide" but "world wide"....
that means that Blizzard OWNS the RIGHTS to SELL GOMTV the RIGHTS to BROADCAST and MORE...... 
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Blizzard won't stop broadcasting Broodwar anyways. They will fight for sc2 rights but if they stop broadcasting bw it is like digging their own grave. Way to kill a reputation however
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Who knows, if SC2 in Korea is used in a reliable and stable environment, with the huge interest of the game all around the world, it's very possible some big foreign companies such as Intel, Nokia, Apple etc. would go ahead and sponsor teams, players and leagues. Correct me if I'm wrong, this hasn't been possible before? This deal opens up for alot of opportunities.
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I can't imagine anything happening to BW. Even if KeSPA didn't engage the agreement, there's no way they're gonna stand there and let their pro-scene die out. They'll definitely fight against it or give in so that they can keep broadcasting games. Either way, they have to step in somehow otherwise the e-sports scene will die literally overnight.
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On May 28 2010 02:44 Longshank wrote:
Who knows, if SC2 in Korea is used in a reliable and stable environment, with the huge interest of the game all around the world, it's very possible some big foreign companies such as Intel, Nokia, Apple etc. would go ahead and sponsor teams, players and leagues. Correct me if I'm wrong, this hasn't been possible before? This deal opens up for alot of opportunities.
This has been possible before, it's not like they only want korean companies as sponsors. They had CocaCola , Gilette, Pringels as OSL sponsors before just for example.
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On May 28 2010 02:39 Konsume wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 02:24 Muaziz wrote:
Of course they can stop KeSPA. Not from broadcasting, but since SC2 runs on BNet, they can shut down those games.
Blizz can't stop KeSPA from broadcasting SC:BW without a legal challenge in Korea. And I doubt that Blizz wants to go down that path. Of course, Blizz could completely shut down SC:BW if it wanted to (another really bad idea).
Have you ever heard of something called "COPYRIGHTS", "TERM OF USE", "POLICIES" and so on?? They do have the rights on their products... and they do own the right to sell or RESTRICT their usage to anyone they want if it involves MONEY or any kind of profits. and from what I beleive COPYRIGHTS are not "country wide" but "world wide".... that means that Blizzard OWNS the RIGHTS to SELL GOMTV the RIGHTS to BROADCAST and MORE......
I'm guessing you have no clue as to what Korean law says about copyrights? US law or European law does not apply in Korea.
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On May 28 2010 02:44 Longshank wrote:
Who knows, if SC2 in Korea is used in a reliable and stable environment, with the huge interest of the game all around the world, it's very possible some big foreign companies such as Intel, Nokia, Apple etc. would go ahead and sponsor teams, players and leagues. Correct me if I'm wrong, this hasn't been possible before? This deal opens up for alot of opportunities.
And those companies would move on to another game once the lifespan runs out in 2-3 years. What players would want to practice 12 hours a day for 4 years to get good enough to play when the game only lasts 3? You'd have "pro-gamers" playing the new game but they won't be anywhere near as good as Jaedong or flash. They'd be on the level of Nony or Idra or Day9, which is basically trash play compared to the Top players in korea. Its like comparing a minor league team to the yankees. What would you rather watch? Yankees or the Brooklyn cyclones?
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On May 28 2010 02:39 Konsume wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 02:24 Muaziz wrote:
Of course they can stop KeSPA. Not from broadcasting, but since SC2 runs on BNet, they can shut down those games.
Blizz can't stop KeSPA from broadcasting SC:BW without a legal challenge in Korea. And I doubt that Blizz wants to go down that path. Of course, Blizz could completely shut down SC:BW if it wanted to (another really bad idea).
Have you ever heard of something called "COPYRIGHTS", "TERM OF USE", "POLICIES" and so on?? They do have the rights on their products... and they do own the right to sell or RESTRICT their usage to anyone they want if it involves MONEY or any kind of profits. and from what I beleive COPYRIGHTS are not "country wide" but "world wide".... that means that Blizzard OWNS the RIGHTS to SELL GOMTV the RIGHTS to BROADCAST and MORE......
international copyright laws are incredibly hard to enforce. Taking money from korean hands and putting it into american hands is something no one wants to see, however kespa already took money from blizzard by creating this industry.. just because blizzard didn't realize it had that money(or in this case, ability to have that money) doesn't mean they don't have right to claim it. kespa was profiting off of blizzard's old technology that could never have forseen such an issue. now that they have a second chance at this money with sc2, how could anyone EVER blame blizzard for not letting outside businesses profit off their investments? It might not be be the best for the viewers or players. But life is tough. blizzard signing with gom is awesome awesome awesome awesome. It means they arent just taking over and doing everything themselves.
there is NO WAY blizzard will not be a part of the pro scene this time around. thats just something you have to accept. Blizzard is a business, not a charity for bored nerds.
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I *REALLY* hope they rehire Tasteless and SDM!
Specially Tasteless, since his casts are awesome and he is putting so much effort to deliver even better casts!
Got my vote =D
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there is NO WAY blizzard will not be a part of the pro scene this time around. thats just something you have to accept. Blizzard is a business, not a charity for bored nerds.
If there even will be a pro scene in korea. My guess is it will be like wc3, a few koreans ,about 20 or more, play sc2 "professional". Rest will stick to BW at least for the next ~ 2 years.
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On May 28 2010 02:51 hacpee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 02:39 Konsume wrote:On May 28 2010 02:24 Muaziz wrote:
Of course they can stop KeSPA. Not from broadcasting, but since SC2 runs on BNet, they can shut down those games.
Blizz can't stop KeSPA from broadcasting SC:BW without a legal challenge in Korea. And I doubt that Blizz wants to go down that path. Of course, Blizz could completely shut down SC:BW if it wanted to (another really bad idea).
Have you ever heard of something called "COPYRIGHTS", "TERM OF USE", "POLICIES" and so on?? They do have the rights on their products... and they do own the right to sell or RESTRICT their usage to anyone they want if it involves MONEY or any kind of profits. and from what I beleive COPYRIGHTS are not "country wide" but "world wide".... that means that Blizzard OWNS the RIGHTS to SELL GOMTV the RIGHTS to BROADCAST and MORE...... I'm guessing you have no clue as to what Korean law says about copyrights? US law or European law does not apply in Korea.
Korea is however a signee of several international copyright agreements.
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I don't get all the happiness in this thread at all.
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On May 28 2010 02:56 leandroqm wrote:
I *REALLY* hope they rehire Tasteless and SDM!
Specially Tasteless, since his casts are awesome and he is putting so much effort to deliver even better casts!
Got my vote =D
I think day9 alone is enough haha
in a dreamworld where everyobody speaks the same language, day9, kim carrier and nal_ra commenting a game between Flash and Jaedong, that would be epic
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On May 28 2010 02:59 wiesel wrote:Show nested quote +there is NO WAY blizzard will not be a part of the pro scene this time around. thats just something you have to accept. Blizzard is a business, not a charity for bored nerds.
If there even will be a pro scene in korea. My guess is it will be like wc3, a few koreans ,like ~20, play sc2 "professional". Rest will stick to BW at least for the next 2 to 3 years.
its based on the viewers, not the players. sc2 is the next step in a brand name that people already know and love. To say its going to be like wc3 is just flat out wrong. even if sc2 is far inferior, it still has the brand name that will draw a lot of attention and profit. To a gamer, sure it feels like a different game.
a good analogy is the starwars movies. the latest 3 sucked. we all know this. they still did really really well and made millions of dollars. they were pretty shit movies but they came out with their fan base already established. starcraft has this going for it as well. It could die off for a year, but to say it will have no pro scene or no one caring is just ignorance.
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