EPTOn May 28 2010 03:02 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't get all the happiness in this thread at all.
I don't get all the happiness in this thread at all.
Kids see GOM and think "Tasteless" which apparently = best possible situation. Sigh. Fail.
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
Kids see GOM and think "Tasteless" which apparently = best possible situation. Sigh. Fail. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On May 28 2010 03:20 hacpee wrote: There are major sponsors of games right now. Microsoft, Intel, HP, and other companies are doling out tens of thousands of dollars on prize money. That isn't the problem. The problem is that these sponsors move on to the newest game pretty quickly. Money dries out for old games. If you have companies changing their sponsoring lineup every 2-3 years, then players won't be willing to dedicate as hard to training. All their previous practice will be wasted when a new game comes out. So why hasn't Brood War died out? | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On May 28 2010 03:34 WiljushkA wrote: i didnt realise there were people that thought BW WOULDNT die out regardless of what happens. Because theres no sign of it happening. See how packed the OSL finals were? And MSL already has a sponsor for next season. Its more healthy than any proscene for any other game out there. | ||
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QueueQueue
Canada1000 Posts
On May 28 2010 03:30 StarStruck wrote: What planet have you been living on? It's been said many times: they are barely making anything. They do it for publicity and advertising. It is a cultural phenomena. The money they do make is indirect. Umm, that's precisely what ADVERTISING is. They advertise to make money. Whether it is direct or not, they aren't doing it out of good intentions towards the development of e-sports. Everything is money. On another note: I find it amusing when people criticize activation / blizzard for being greedy. Of COURSE they are. That's what companies do. They seek means to profit. They are not developing games so that we as gamers can be happy. Everything a company does, whether it's blatantly obvious or not, is to make more money. Even companies that donate to charity do so to boost public image for the sake of more profits. To think otherwise is just being naive. | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
On May 28 2010 03:30 StarStruck wrote: What planet have you been living on? It's been said many times: they are barely making anything. They do it for publicity and advertising. It is a cultural phenomena. The money they do make is indirect. publicity and advertising leads to... money? even if it is indirect, they're still making money off blizzards intellectual property. look at WeMade using their sc and wc3 progamers like nada and moon to push their newest mmo. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On May 28 2010 03:36 Louder wrote: Kids see GOM and think "Tasteless" which apparently = best possible situation. Sigh. Fail. This is annoying too, especially when GOM didn't even stack up to the existing tournaments in any way at all. What a short-sighted and selfish opinion it is to believe that writing-off the whole current proscene just for the sake of english commentary is a good thing. | ||
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olof
Sweden254 Posts
On May 28 2010 03:39 QueueQueue wrote:I find it amusing when people criticize activation / blizzard for being greedy. Of COURSE they are. That's what companies do. They seek means to profit. They are not developing games so that we as gamers can be happy. Everything a company does, whether it's blatantly obvious or not, is to make more money. Even companies that donate to charity do so to boost public image for the sake of more profits. To think otherwise is just being naive. Because they know the esporscene can't survive with the conditions that they gave kespa. Becayse they're doing it to kill SC and try to make people buy SC2. Because the greed is killing the Starcraftscene. | ||
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
Because of how the korean scene is structured. The sponsors basically own the teams. | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On May 28 2010 03:42 olof wrote: Because they know the esporscene can't survive with the conditions that they gave kespa. Becayse they're doing it to kill SC and try to make people buy SC2. Because the greed is killing the Starcraftscene. I hear it already happened with WoW with MLG because of Blizzard demands so why people think this attempt will be any better i don't know. On May 28 2010 03:47 StarStruck wrote: That is why I said it's indirect and there is no way of knowing. The costs they have for running the scene is absolutely ridiculous: housing, food, uniforms, training facilities, stadiums, commercial costs, etc. This doesn't even scratch the surface. Wow some people. If anything they're making nickels and quarters off of this and not much more. Can you imagine a western company ever owning a pro videogame team? It'll never happen. Its so sad it took so long to get where it is today with sponsors to now possibly be thrown away. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
Because of how the korean scene is structured. The sponsors basically own the teams. Actually, they DO own the teams. | ||
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
(1) OGN and MBC negotiate with GOM TV over broadcast rights. (2) Once SC2 is out on the market, Blizzard/GOM TV pressure OGN/MBC to begin broadcast of SC2. (3) KeSPA and SC1 teams lose air time. (4) Corporations stop sponsoring SC1 teams and KeSPA falls apart. (5) Former SC1 pros either retire or form SC2 teams. (6) New and old corporations begin sponsoring some of these SC2 teams. *Naturally, KeSPA will delay these events from happening (keep itself alive), to the fullest of its ability | ||
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Setz3R
United States455 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On May 28 2010 03:51 domane wrote: So: (1) OGN and MBC negotiate with GOM TV over broadcast rights. (2) Once SC2 is out on the market, Blizzard/GOM TV pressure OGN/MBC to begin broadcast of SC2. (3) KeSPA and SC1 teams lose air time. (4) Corporations stop sponsoring SC1 teams and KeSPA falls apart. (5) Former SC1 pros either retire or form SC2 teams. (6) New and old corporations begin sponsoring some of these SC2 teams. *Personally, I expect will KeSPA delay these events from happening, to the fullest of its ability. Natural reaction, since KeSPA wants to keep itself alive. KeSPA IS the sponsors. Locking out KeSPA is throwing away everything made so far. If it did happen you're relying completely on number 6 even happening again, under Blizzards financial terms and on a completely new unproven for broadcast game. I can't see it even happening again. Not to mention its fucking over the coaches, players and everyone in the scene in the meantime. What it will come down to is something the level of Blizzcon with no actual teams and basically all around nothing compared to what it could be if they just LEFT IT ALONE IN THE FIRST PLACE. | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On May 28 2010 03:36 Louder wrote: Kids see GOM and think "Tasteless" which apparently = best possible situation. Sigh. Fail. Very well, since an agreement between KeSPA and Blizzard would never happen, what solution would you have preferred for those who wants to watch SC2? Please educate a "kid" like me. "Sigh" and "Fail" - truly the mark of a grownup *thumbsup* | ||
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wiesel
Germany727 Posts
On May 28 2010 04:00 Longshank wrote: Very well, since an agreement between KeSPA and Blizzard would never happen, what solution would you have preferred for those who wants to watch SC2? Please educate a "kid" like me. "Sigh" and "Fail" - truly the mark of a grownup *thumbsup* Sorry but what has kespa to do with if you can watch sc2 or not? Or are you from korea? | ||
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bmml
United Kingdom962 Posts
On May 28 2010 03:02 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I don't get all the happiness in this thread at all. I don't get all the anger, the blizzard / kespa disagreements have been running for like 3 years this was bound to happen sooner or later. Plus if theres money to be made then kespa / ogn / mbc will buy broadcasting rights for tournaments, people should all calm down because venting on a forum about major corporations business before any REAL evidence about what the major parties are going to do surfaces is like a dog chasing its tail. | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On May 28 2010 04:03 wiesel wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On May 28 2010 04:00 Longshank wrote: Very well, since an agreement between KeSPA and Blizzard would never happen, what solution would you have preferred for those who wants to watch SC2? Please educate a "kid" like me. "Sigh" and "Fail" - truly the mark of a grownup *thumbsup* Sorry but what has kespa to do with if you can watch sc2 or not? Or are you from korea? Watching professional Korean SC2 I meant, I thought that went without saying. | ||
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PokePill
United States1048 Posts
On May 28 2010 04:06 Longshank wrote: Watching professional Korean SC2 I meant, I thought that went without saying. I don't think you understand that the SC2 level of play isn't going to be professional, did you read this thread at all? Blizzard just killed any chance of a truly "professional" scene SC2 in Korea. | ||
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Uthgar
United States21 Posts
On May 28 2010 03:46 infinity2k9 wrote: I hear it already happened with WoW with MLG because of Blizzard demands so why people think this attempt will be any better i don't know. Can you imagine a western company ever owning a pro videogame team? It'll never happen. Its so sad it took so long to get where it is today with sponsors to now possibly be thrown away. What happened with MLG and the WOW scene? i am curious to know. | ||
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