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5003 Posts
On May 28 2010 00:56 Kralic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 00:54 Milkis wrote:On May 28 2010 00:51 Kralic wrote:On May 28 2010 00:45 Ryo wrote:On May 28 2010 00:35 Kralic wrote:Yes the Korean sponsor companies are big, I fail to see the point of bringing up the sponsor companies in Korea have leverage in their size. Blizzard is also part of a company called Vivendi which is really a very large company as well. Everything will work out in the long run, expect to see the pro scene to change to something different. Vivendi's Assets: + Show Spoiler +Vivendi Entertainment
20% of NBC Universal which includes:
Universal Studios
Universal Studios Hollywood
Universal Orlando Resort
Universal Studios Japan
NBC Universal Television
EMKA, Ltd.
NBC Universal Cable
Telemundo
qubo
NBBC
The Animation Picture Company
Canal+ Group includes:
Canal+
multiThématiques
CinéCinéma,
Planète
Jimmy and Seasons
Sport+
CanalSatellite
Ma Planète
Extreme Sports Channel
NBA+
Pilotime
StudioCanal
Optimum Releasing
Music
[edit] Universal Music Group
[edit] Universal Music Group record companies
Main article: List of Universal Music Group labels
Universal Music Group owns, or has a joint share in, a large number of record labels including:
Interscope-Geffen-A&M
Interscope Records
Geffen Records
A&M Records
A&M/Octone Records
DGC Records
Island Def Jam Music Group
Island Records
Def Jam Recordings
Mercury Records
Universal Motown Republic Group
Universal Motown
Universal Republic
Universal Music Group Nashville
MCA Nashville Records
Mercury Nashville Records
Lost Highway Records
Universal Music Latin Entertainment
Universal Music Latino
Fonovisa Records
Disa Records
Machete Music
The Verve Music Group
Verve Records
GRP Records
Impulse! Records
Verve Forecast Records
Decca Label Group
Decca Records
Universal Music Classical
Universal Music Enterprises
Hip-O Records
Universal Chronicles
20th Century Masters
V2/Co-Operative Music
Show Dog-Universal Music
Universal Music UK
Polydor Records
Island Records Group (UK)
Mercury Music Group (UK)
Universal Music TV (UMTV)
Decca Records
Universal Classics and Jazz
Notable defunct labels (now owned by UMG):
DreamWorks Records
MCA Records
PolyGram
Sanctuary Records
Uni Records
Universal Records
Universal Music Group international companies:
Argentina, Austria, Australia, Baltics, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Chile, China, Colombia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hong Kong, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Singapore, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, Thailand, Venezuela
[edit] Publishing
Universal Music Publishing Group
[edit] Distribution
Universal Music Group Distribution
Universal Music Distribution
Vivendi Entertainment
Fontana Distribution
UMGD Digital
[edit] Merchandising
Bravado
[edit] Artist management
Twenty-First Artists
Trinifold
5B
[edit] Video games
52-68% of Activision Blizzard [1] which includes:
Activision Blizzard, founded in 2008.
Activision
Beenox
Bizarre Creations
Budcat Creations
Bungie
Demonware
FreeStyleGames
High Moon Studios
Infinity Ward
Knowledge Adventure
Neversoft
Radical Entertainment
Raven Software
Toys For Bob
Treyarch
Vicarious Visions
Blizzard Entertainment
Defunct studios:
Luxoflux
RedOctane
Shaba Games
Sierra Entertainment
Underground Development
[edit] Telecommunications
SFR
Maroc Telecom
Global Village Telecom And in that list there is one important company... Universal Music Group international companies: Korea LOL. You don't seem to understand the concept of chaebols and how influential they are in Korea. Who cares how large Vivendi is. We're talking about broadcasting rights in Korea, a domestic issue. Korean conglomerate v foreign company, who do you think will win this one? You don't seem to realise that UMG Korea is a company in Korea... It is not owned by Blizzard it is owned by Vivendi that owns Blizzard. What are they going to do, release Starcraft 2 games in MP3? Yes that is it... See the bigger picture in a potential law suit that everyone claims Kespa can win downright because they are domestic...
What is UMG going to do. Release mp3s about the trial?
I don't think you understand. It's almost as if saying you're saying having a company in Korea will "matter" or something....
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On May 28 2010 00:51 Kralic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 00:45 Ryo wrote:On May 28 2010 00:35 Kralic wrote:Yes the Korean sponsor companies are big, I fail to see the point of bringing up the sponsor companies in Korea have leverage in their size. Blizzard is also part of a company called Vivendi which is really a very large company as well. Everything will work out in the long run, expect to see the pro scene to change to something different. Vivendi's Assets: + Show Spoiler +Vivendi Entertainment
20% of NBC Universal which includes:
Universal Studios
Universal Studios Hollywood
Universal Orlando Resort
Universal Studios Japan
NBC Universal Television
EMKA, Ltd.
NBC Universal Cable
Telemundo
qubo
NBBC
The Animation Picture Company
Canal+ Group includes:
Canal+
multiThématiques
CinéCinéma,
Planète
Jimmy and Seasons
Sport+
CanalSatellite
Ma Planète
Extreme Sports Channel
NBA+
Pilotime
StudioCanal
Optimum Releasing
Music
[edit] Universal Music Group
[edit] Universal Music Group record companies
Main article: List of Universal Music Group labels
Universal Music Group owns, or has a joint share in, a large number of record labels including:
Interscope-Geffen-A&M
Interscope Records
Geffen Records
A&M Records
A&M/Octone Records
DGC Records
Island Def Jam Music Group
Island Records
Def Jam Recordings
Mercury Records
Universal Motown Republic Group
Universal Motown
Universal Republic
Universal Music Group Nashville
MCA Nashville Records
Mercury Nashville Records
Lost Highway Records
Universal Music Latin Entertainment
Universal Music Latino
Fonovisa Records
Disa Records
Machete Music
The Verve Music Group
Verve Records
GRP Records
Impulse! Records
Verve Forecast Records
Decca Label Group
Decca Records
Universal Music Classical
Universal Music Enterprises
Hip-O Records
Universal Chronicles
20th Century Masters
V2/Co-Operative Music
Show Dog-Universal Music
Universal Music UK
Polydor Records
Island Records Group (UK)
Mercury Music Group (UK)
Universal Music TV (UMTV)
Decca Records
Universal Classics and Jazz
Notable defunct labels (now owned by UMG):
DreamWorks Records
MCA Records
PolyGram
Sanctuary Records
Uni Records
Universal Records
Universal Music Group international companies:
Argentina, Austria, Australia, Baltics, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Chile, China, Colombia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hong Kong, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Singapore, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, Thailand, Venezuela
[edit] Publishing
Universal Music Publishing Group
[edit] Distribution
Universal Music Group Distribution
Universal Music Distribution
Vivendi Entertainment
Fontana Distribution
UMGD Digital
[edit] Merchandising
Bravado
[edit] Artist management
Twenty-First Artists
Trinifold
5B
[edit] Video games
52-68% of Activision Blizzard [1] which includes:
Activision Blizzard, founded in 2008.
Activision
Beenox
Bizarre Creations
Budcat Creations
Bungie
Demonware
FreeStyleGames
High Moon Studios
Infinity Ward
Knowledge Adventure
Neversoft
Radical Entertainment
Raven Software
Toys For Bob
Treyarch
Vicarious Visions
Blizzard Entertainment
Defunct studios:
Luxoflux
RedOctane
Shaba Games
Sierra Entertainment
Underground Development
[edit] Telecommunications
SFR
Maroc Telecom
Global Village Telecom And in that list there is one important company... Universal Music Group international companies: Korea LOL. You don't seem to understand the concept of chaebols and how influential they are in Korea. Who cares how large Vivendi is. We're talking about broadcasting rights in Korea, a domestic issue. Korean conglomerate v foreign company, who do you think will win this one? You don't seem to realise that UMG Korea is a company in Korea... It is not owned by Blizzard it is owned by Vivendi that owns Blizzard.
Please don't make yourself sound any more silly than you already do. Vivendi owns ONE Korean music company. Korean conglomerates own hundreds of Korean companies in all industries, comprising a significant proportion of the Korean economy, not to even mention the close political links with the Korean govt.
CJ Group, SK Telecom, Samsung, STX, all chaebols.
Would a Korean court side in favor of a foreign organization with ownership of one domestic music company or several Korean conglomerates vital to the function of the Korean economy/political system? Vivendi has no leverage whatsoever in Korea.
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To all of you, happy of this, have fun watching shitty leagues in english, with a shit quality, and shit players that will end up selling hot dogs on the streets once they turn 20.
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On May 28 2010 01:04 Boonbag wrote:
To all of you, happy of this, have fun watching shitty leagues in english, with a shit quality, and shit players that will end up selling hot dogs on the streets once they turn 20.
Cuase you can see the future right?
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5003 Posts
On May 28 2010 01:01 Ryo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 00:51 Kralic wrote:On May 28 2010 00:45 Ryo wrote:On May 28 2010 00:35 Kralic wrote:Yes the Korean sponsor companies are big, I fail to see the point of bringing up the sponsor companies in Korea have leverage in their size. Blizzard is also part of a company called Vivendi which is really a very large company as well. Everything will work out in the long run, expect to see the pro scene to change to something different. Vivendi's Assets: + Show Spoiler +Vivendi Entertainment
20% of NBC Universal which includes:
Universal Studios
Universal Studios Hollywood
Universal Orlando Resort
Universal Studios Japan
NBC Universal Television
EMKA, Ltd.
NBC Universal Cable
Telemundo
qubo
NBBC
The Animation Picture Company
Canal+ Group includes:
Canal+
multiThématiques
CinéCinéma,
Planète
Jimmy and Seasons
Sport+
CanalSatellite
Ma Planète
Extreme Sports Channel
NBA+
Pilotime
StudioCanal
Optimum Releasing
Music
[edit] Universal Music Group
[edit] Universal Music Group record companies
Main article: List of Universal Music Group labels
Universal Music Group owns, or has a joint share in, a large number of record labels including:
Interscope-Geffen-A&M
Interscope Records
Geffen Records
A&M Records
A&M/Octone Records
DGC Records
Island Def Jam Music Group
Island Records
Def Jam Recordings
Mercury Records
Universal Motown Republic Group
Universal Motown
Universal Republic
Universal Music Group Nashville
MCA Nashville Records
Mercury Nashville Records
Lost Highway Records
Universal Music Latin Entertainment
Universal Music Latino
Fonovisa Records
Disa Records
Machete Music
The Verve Music Group
Verve Records
GRP Records
Impulse! Records
Verve Forecast Records
Decca Label Group
Decca Records
Universal Music Classical
Universal Music Enterprises
Hip-O Records
Universal Chronicles
20th Century Masters
V2/Co-Operative Music
Show Dog-Universal Music
Universal Music UK
Polydor Records
Island Records Group (UK)
Mercury Music Group (UK)
Universal Music TV (UMTV)
Decca Records
Universal Classics and Jazz
Notable defunct labels (now owned by UMG):
DreamWorks Records
MCA Records
PolyGram
Sanctuary Records
Uni Records
Universal Records
Universal Music Group international companies:
Argentina, Austria, Australia, Baltics, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Chile, China, Colombia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hong Kong, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Singapore, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, Thailand, Venezuela
[edit] Publishing
Universal Music Publishing Group
[edit] Distribution
Universal Music Group Distribution
Universal Music Distribution
Vivendi Entertainment
Fontana Distribution
UMGD Digital
[edit] Merchandising
Bravado
[edit] Artist management
Twenty-First Artists
Trinifold
5B
[edit] Video games
52-68% of Activision Blizzard [1] which includes:
Activision Blizzard, founded in 2008.
Activision
Beenox
Bizarre Creations
Budcat Creations
Bungie
Demonware
FreeStyleGames
High Moon Studios
Infinity Ward
Knowledge Adventure
Neversoft
Radical Entertainment
Raven Software
Toys For Bob
Treyarch
Vicarious Visions
Blizzard Entertainment
Defunct studios:
Luxoflux
RedOctane
Shaba Games
Sierra Entertainment
Underground Development
[edit] Telecommunications
SFR
Maroc Telecom
Global Village Telecom And in that list there is one important company... Universal Music Group international companies: Korea LOL. You don't seem to understand the concept of chaebols and how influential they are in Korea. Who cares how large Vivendi is. We're talking about broadcasting rights in Korea, a domestic issue. Korean conglomerate v foreign company, who do you think will win this one? You don't seem to realise that UMG Korea is a company in Korea... It is not owned by Blizzard it is owned by Vivendi that owns Blizzard. Please don't make yourself sound any more silly than you already do. Viviendi owns ONE Korean music company. Korean conglomerates own hundreds of Korean companies in all industries, comprising a significant proportion of the Korean economy, not to even mention the close political links with the Korean govt. CJ Group, SK Telecom, Samsung, STX, all chaebols. Would a Korean court side in favor of a foreign organization with ownership of one domestic music company or several Korean conglomerates vital to the function of the Korean economy/political system? Vivendi has no leverage whatsoever in Korea.
@Kralic: Oh and just in case you act like Koreans will care about "not having services offered by these global companies"... Korea pretty much has the lowest usage of Google, bought out WalMart, and have decent competition for nearly any foreign imported brands. Koreans won't give a fuck about any services Viviendi can offer - no movies? It's okay, koreans will just pirate it. Music? hah. There's really nothing Viviendi can offer to even "threaten" anything Korea has atm.
Other than like... Starcraft. But i'm sure Korea will be fine without it, and won't get accused of putting kids through "slave labor"(talk about undermining real slavery, yo) for progaming.
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On May 28 2010 01:06 birchy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 01:04 Boonbag wrote:
To all of you, happy of this, have fun watching shitty leagues in english, with a shit quality, and shit players that will end up selling hot dogs on the streets once they turn 20. Cuase you can see the future right?
Because I have a clue about this situation and you obviously don't. Read my other posts maybe !
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So there's people in korea willing to watch starcraft on TV
And theres plenty of good players who hardly make any money
Does this mean worst case scenario is slightly lower quality or amateur games until new sponsor arrangement can be made? If the scene has grown, then more legitimate sponsors may be easier to find than they were 10 years ago?
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On May 28 2010 01:09 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 01:06 birchy wrote:On May 28 2010 01:04 Boonbag wrote:
To all of you, happy of this, have fun watching shitty leagues in english, with a shit quality, and shit players that will end up selling hot dogs on the streets once they turn 20. Cuase you can see the future right? Because I have a clue about this situation and you obviously don't. Read my other posts maybe !
I don't take people seriously who guess at the future. Its still in gomtv hands to sell tv rigths for bw to kespa if they see fit. I doubt the sc world is going to end just cause off this.
ps don't be such a cocky cunt your making the French stereotype true 
User was temp banned for this post.
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On May 28 2010 01:11 birchy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 01:09 Boonbag wrote:On May 28 2010 01:06 birchy wrote:On May 28 2010 01:04 Boonbag wrote:
To all of you, happy of this, have fun watching shitty leagues in english, with a shit quality, and shit players that will end up selling hot dogs on the streets once they turn 20. Cuase you can see the future right? Because I have a clue about this situation and you obviously don't. Read my other posts maybe ! I don't take people seriously who guess at the future. Its still in gomtv hands to sell tv rigths for bw to kespa if they see fit. I doubt the sc world is going to end just cause off this. ps don't be such a cocky cunt your making the French stereotype true
Did you actually read them ? No. You're beeing stupid. About sterotypes, don't go down that road.
And don't you fucking say I'm a cocky cunt, unless you're 12 years old.
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Hope we get a TL.net podcast with day 9, kennigit manlifesto etc regarding this.
Probably the single biggest e-sport news item in its 10-12 year old lifetime.
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On May 28 2010 01:13 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 01:11 birchy wrote:On May 28 2010 01:09 Boonbag wrote:On May 28 2010 01:06 birchy wrote:On May 28 2010 01:04 Boonbag wrote:
To all of you, happy of this, have fun watching shitty leagues in english, with a shit quality, and shit players that will end up selling hot dogs on the streets once they turn 20. Cuase you can see the future right? Because I have a clue about this situation and you obviously don't. Read my other posts maybe ! I don't take people seriously who guess at the future. Its still in gomtv hands to sell tv rigths for bw to kespa if they see fit. I doubt the sc world is going to end just cause off this. ps don't be such a cocky cunt your making the French stereotype true Did you actually read them ? No. You're beeing stupid. About sterotypes, don't go down that road.
Don't wanna waste my time on some-one who thinks sc is doomed before gom tv have even anouced any off there plan to do with the deal they just made. Company don't just buy stuff if they have no idea wtf there going to do with it.
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I'm pretty sad for each individual who works with e-sports in Korea. Kim Carrier and the other guys on after talk was talking about the road the old gamers had paved for the new gamers, but any of that won't matter when Blizzard comes in and manhandles everything. This is so sad~
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On May 28 2010 01:10 Hectic wrote:
So there's people in korea willing to watch starcraft on TV
And theres plenty of good players who hardly make any money
Does this mean worst case scenario is slightly lower quality or amateur games until new sponsor arrangement can be made? If the scene has grown, then more legitimate sponsors may be easier to find than they were 10 years ago?
Yeah, but remember, you're going to have to find OTHER sponsors than the corporations already there sponsoring. I don't see many of the corporations willing to sponsor after all this.
We koreans can get extremely petty. 물귀신작전, yo
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On May 28 2010 01:14 birchy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 01:13 Boonbag wrote:On May 28 2010 01:11 birchy wrote:On May 28 2010 01:09 Boonbag wrote:On May 28 2010 01:06 birchy wrote:On May 28 2010 01:04 Boonbag wrote:
To all of you, happy of this, have fun watching shitty leagues in english, with a shit quality, and shit players that will end up selling hot dogs on the streets once they turn 20. Cuase you can see the future right? Because I have a clue about this situation and you obviously don't. Read my other posts maybe ! I don't take people seriously who guess at the future. Its still in gomtv hands to sell tv rigths for bw to kespa if they see fit. I doubt the sc world is going to end just cause off this. ps don't be such a cocky cunt your making the French stereotype true Did you actually read them ? No. You're beeing stupid. About sterotypes, don't go down that road. Don't wanna waste my time on some-one who thinks sc is doomed before gom tv have even anouced any off there plan to do with the deal they just made. Company don't just buy stuff if they have no idea wtf there going to do with it.
What's so fun is that you didn't even understand the OP news post. Maybe read it again.
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No matter what we say, we cant predict anything. We can only hope everything turns out good for everyone who is willing the e-sports to grow up.
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Yes! GOM back and KeSPA isnt in the way anymore! Can't wait to see Tasteless casting.
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On May 28 2010 01:19 fabiano wrote:
No matter what we say, we cant predict anything. We can only hope everything turns out good for everyone who is willing the e-sports to grow up.
Oh yeah and pray the good lord meanwhile that blizzard gets off their ego burst ride ?
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This news is huge. I will be curious to see how this plays out.
Honestly though, KESPA lack of responsiveness to Blizzard was their own undoing. It was Blizzard's place to have a say in which route their product goes in and KESPA must respect that. Despite KESPA stubbornness, Blizzard was still respectful of what KESPA has done for E-Sports and made attempts to come to negotiations with them. In a lot of business situations such as this, companies would try to punish companies for behaving as KESPA did immediately, but Blizzard still attempted to come to terms with them.
I think having a North American company with such strong financial standing such as Blizzard will be a positive thing in brining ESports more outside of Korea as well.
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I am quite dissapointed. Fuck Blizzard and their greed.
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I'm sure Blizzard/Vivendi is smart enough to hire good Korean lawyers (not that the case will necessarily be held in Korea). As for if a Korean court will favor a home based company I find doubtfull. Korea is not a third world country, and it has not got a anti western agenda compared to say china. It's a matter of intellectual rights, which i know absolutely nothing about, so I'm not sure if anything like this has been tried before, but I can't imagine the money involved in this being bigger than anything they have tried before. Blizzard has cleared this with their lawyers, so they must deem their chances pretty decent.
This is probably just a last attempt of bringing KeSPA to the negotiation table, question is if KeSPA will do that, initiate legal proceedings, or simply ignore it.
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