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zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
May 27 2010 14:52 GMT
#681
i dont know what to think about this. On the one hand I am happy to see GomTV back, but on the other I dont want the KeSPA to get destroyed completely. They pushed it when forbidding the progamers to join the Gom-TV classics 3, but they helped to put the eSport on the level it now is.
keep it deep! @zulison
Polis
Profile Joined January 2005
Poland1292 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-27 14:54:11
May 27 2010 14:53 GMT
#682
On May 27 2010 23:48 Hectic wrote:im pretty sure players playing tooo much is the last thing kespa cares about.


Then you are wrong, the more time players train for the GOMTV matches, the worse they will play in other leagues.
shalafi
Profile Joined July 2008
394 Posts
May 27 2010 14:53 GMT
#683
On May 27 2010 23:48 Hectic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2010 23:23 MaYuu wrote:
On May 27 2010 23:18 Hectic wrote:
I would consider myself a hardcore starcraft fan, but i can't stand listening to a foreign language being yelled in my ear when i can't even understand it.

Gom TV allowed me to watch the best players in the world compete, with english commentary. KESPA took that away from me when they shafted gom.






I don't get why people hate KeSPA because of it, sure I loved GOM TV sessions with Tasteless and all that. But still, I understand why KeSPA did not wan't that tournament to take place. The players are already playing more then anyone could ask for.

I wonder how people would have reacted if Tasteless did a stream on OSL instead and the same thing would had been said about the GOM tournamnets.

im pretty sure players playing tooo much is the last thing kespa cares about. Obviously kespa would have shut down gom because it was competing with them and advertising sponsors other than those in their little monopoly.

So organisations shutting down something i enjoy because of money = i hate



Actually, it wasn't KeSPA who shut it down, but GomTV themselves because only a few(5 I think) of the 12 teams wanted their players to play, saying that PL, MSL and OSL was enough burden.

That looks credible, since top players like Flash and Stork had to skip some PL matches because they had to practice for the individual leagues.

And sincerely, if someone had to dump a league, he would dump GomTV.
Groslouser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
France337 Posts
May 27 2010 14:55 GMT
#684
On May 27 2010 23:48 ZlaSHeR wrote:
they will have to negotiate with GOM as the middle man, and boy does that make me happy.


And after killing gomtv, it feels like a divine retribution.

Plus kespa has already way too much power on the bw progaming scene, i dont want them to rule the sc2 progaming scene the same way they did with bw.
Hectic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia159 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-27 16:12:23
May 27 2010 14:58 GMT
#685
On May 27 2010 23:53 Polis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2010 23:48 Hectic wrote:im pretty sure players playing tooo much is the last thing kespa cares about.


Then you are wrong, the more time players train for the GOMTV matches, the worse they will play in other leagues.


and the worse they play in kespa leagues the less ratings they get hence the less money the sponsors make
Only if you beleive.
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7005 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-27 15:00:56
May 27 2010 14:58 GMT
#686
On May 27 2010 23:08 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2010 22 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              27 2010 22      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:58 Perfect Balance wrote:
Blizzard have hi-jacked the users control over: LAN play, tournaments, replays, maps, custom content, and every single event including Starcraft 2.

This is the perfect analogy of a market liberal economy converting to communism overnight. We all remember what happened with communist countries, right? North-Korea chose communism, South-Korea chose economic liberalism. Which functions better?

Communism? Do you even know what that means? North Korea is a dictature, it's not even close to communism.

While NK is not "officially" considered a communist state it very clearly follows very similar system and calling it "not even close" is just laughable.

This is because the "Workers' Party of Korea" is still the ruling party.

Also it being a dictatorship country has nothing to do with communism rofl.
moxley
Profile Joined May 2010
United States65 Posts
May 27 2010 14:59 GMT
#687
I'm glad that Blizzard is starting to come to terms with Korea.. it definitely made sense that they'd want a bigger share of the profits received from the mass marketing and professional sports style exposure that revolved around THEIR game, but it's not like KeSPA couldn't pick a new, non-Blizzard game to promote if they felt Blizzard was turning greedy on them.
Vykenos
Profile Joined September 2009
United States56 Posts
May 27 2010 15:00 GMT
#688
I just want to see how they plan to run things in the GOM tournaments and how things like players rights to the content created will be handled. It really doesnt affect me in the slightest but it will give some indication of the route Gom/Blizzard are taking.

I am trying to remember... how did they run the last tournies on Gom? Was it pay to watch live and then could watch for free in a day or so or could you watch live for free and having access to the HD stuff was just a charge?
The Mothership has been altered to be sleeker and more visually appealing, and has been renamed to the Cougarship. The Cougarship will gravitate toward enemy units that have been in play for 18-21 minutes and bring them back to nearest friendly base.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
May 27 2010 15:01 GMT
#689
On May 27 2010 23:50 Executioner.zealot wrote:
Don’t know why everyone thinks Blizzard should give away its rights to KeSPA. I think KeSPA got what it deserved. It wanted something for nothing, all the while profiting off SC1.

Think about it, any where else, if someone builds a stadium (Starcraft) for teams to play in, the NFL (in this case organizations like KeSPA) teams play at that stadium. But the stadium gets rights to selling the seats. KeSPA wanted Blizzard to build a stadium, then KeSPA wants to keep rights to:
sell the seats
sell the drinks at the hotdog stands
sell the hot dogs
sell the picture of the stadium on their NFL jerseys

I don’t know how people can back such a greedy group. I’m glad they are gone. I’m boycotting any games with their logo on it.

I officially announce the Boycott KeSPA Movement until they come to an agreement.

It's a good thing that attendance at all the events is completely free.

In retrospect, Blizzard is probably due something for the commercialization of their game. That said, esports is significantly better off is Blizzard is not involved, and has no control over anything. Hopefully, Blizzard's insatiable desire for profits does not translate into a need for a say in the scene. But it probably will.
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Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8092 Posts
May 27 2010 15:02 GMT
#690
Aw man i missed this thread compleatly because it was in sc2 and not bw
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
May 27 2010 15:04 GMT
#691
On May 27 2010 23:59 moxley wrote:
I'm glad that Blizzard is starting to come to terms with Korea.. it definitely made sense that they'd want a bigger share of the profits received from the mass marketing and professional sports style exposure that revolved around THEIR game, but it's not like KeSPA couldn't pick a new, non-Blizzard game to promote if they felt Blizzard was turning greedy on them.

KeSPA will switch to c&. Apollo will be so mad.
Zhek
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada342 Posts
May 27 2010 15:08 GMT
#692
On May 27 2010 23:53 shalafi wrote:
Actually, it wasn't KeSPA who shut it down, but GomTV themselves because only a few(5 I think) of the 12 teams wanted their players to play, saying that PL, MSL and OSL was enough burden.

That looks credible, since top players like Flash and Stork had to skip some PL matches because they had to practice for the individual leagues.

And sincerely, if someone had to dump a league, he would dump GomTV.


Uh, KeSPa told the proteams not to go on GomTV's tournaments unless they wanted to be reprimanded for it.

But really, KeSPa didn't care until Blizzard started sponsoring GomTV Season 3. Then shit hit the fan and KeSPa shut down GomTV's league by holding proteams from going to it.
djWHEAT
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States925 Posts
May 27 2010 15:10 GMT
#693
You may be able to cancel a probe from your Nexus, but you can't cancel an exclusive agreement. I'm really curious to know what sort of timeframe is linked to this agreement - it seems like this is such a bitter sweet situation. I'm really curious to see how this will play out and KeSPA's response.

There's another side of me that is excited because of GOMtv's track record of at least wanting to expose Korean SC to a Western world. That prospect alone could mean we have a direct line to the best competitions... assuming there will be players for them!
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aupstar
Profile Joined June 2007
Australia912 Posts
May 27 2010 15:12 GMT
#694
Blizzard is playing hard ball and trying to be really aggressive to get what it wants. They've tried to sue Chinese companies that make users pay for lanning services for blizzard games (i.e., sc) but failed due to the openess that the sc1 eula provides.

It's all talk what blizzard is saying about stopping sc1 games. Sc2 on the other hand is a different story. This will definitely go to court. Lets see how it pans out. We'll most likely see sc2 games broadcast on both ogn and mbc while this thing pans out in court, so I'm not too worried int he short term. I think what kespa is wanting is reasonable by wanting to protect its players rights and not giving into the hardball tactics that blizzard is trying to employ.
Firebats, the natural enemy of octozerg
Polis
Profile Joined January 2005
Poland1292 Posts
May 27 2010 15:12 GMT
#695
On May 27 2010 23:58 Hectic wrote:and the worse they play in kespa leagues the less ratings they get hence the less money the sponsors make BUDDY


I will try to make it simpler for you:
Running teams = big cost
Running league = small cost
GOMTV could not run a professional league if somebody else would not put money into teams. They could run amateur league, the only thing that would exist without teams.
jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
May 27 2010 15:13 GMT
#696
On May 28 2010 00:10 djWHEAT wrote:
You may be able to cancel a probe from your Nexus, but you can't cancel an exclusive agreement. I'm really curious to know what sort of timeframe is linked to this agreement - it seems like this is such a bitter sweet situation. I'm really curious to see how this will play out and KeSPA's response.


Yeah this is what I'm concerned about really. I have no idea if GomTV is capable of scaling well enough to support the inevitable (I assume) demand for SC2 as a spectator esport.

I've enjoyed their service before, but who knows what their business plan is as of yet?
MaYuu
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Sweden516 Posts
May 27 2010 15:17 GMT
#697
On May 27 2010 23:58 Hectic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2010 23:53 Polis wrote:
On May 27 2010 23:48 Hectic wrote:im pretty sure players playing tooo much is the last thing kespa cares about.


Then you are wrong, the more time players train for the GOMTV matches, the worse they will play in other leagues.


and the worse they play in kespa leagues the less ratings they get hence the less money the sponsors make BUDDY



Yeah and guess who's making all these things happen. Who pays for all of this cause it sure as hell ain't you or me.

The player represent the sponsors, that's why there is teams in the first place. Of course the sponsors want the players representing them playing the best at the tournaments they pour money into.
ehh`?
Woyn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United Kingdom1628 Posts
May 27 2010 15:20 GMT
#698
I have a bad feeling about this..
Konsume
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada466 Posts
May 27 2010 15:25 GMT
#699
imo, it's about time that a compagny care about their "Professional Gaming Life".

We might see more balance changes and things since they will care about the game and the profit generated thru the gaming scene. Imo KeSPA is a good thing but with all the power they had it was time that a gaming compagny step up and say ok... what the hell are you doing to my game?

No seriously... blizzard is kicking the girls out and they are now the masters of their destiny... good thing IMO!
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
Hectic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia159 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-27 15:40:04
May 27 2010 15:30 GMT
#700
On May 28 2010 00:17 MaYuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2010 23:58 Hectic wrote:
On May 27 2010 23:53 Polis wrote:
On May 27 2010 23:48 Hectic wrote:im pretty sure players playing tooo much is the last thing kespa cares about.


Then you are wrong, the more time players train for the GOMTV matches, the worse they will play in other leagues.


and the worse they play in kespa leagues the less ratings they get hence the less money the sponsors make BUDDY



Yeah and guess who's making all these things happen. Who pays for all of this cause it sure as hell ain't you or me.

The player represent the sponsors, that's why there is teams in the first place. Of course the sponsors want the players representing them playing the best at the tournaments they pour money into.


problem is because of this, there will be no new sponsors or new competitions in korea. fantastic

what if a new sponsor wanted to come along and offer the players 3 times as much money?
what if they were a rival company to one of the current kespa sponsors
kespa would just say no?

it makes sense that all the kespa sponsors could easily collude to agree on maximum wages for teams/ gamers to keep it as cheap as possible for themselves. like a monopoly.


Only if you beleive.
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