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On May 27 2010 23:04 vesicular wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 23:00 MaYuu wrote:
So give me one good reason they should get English commentary, all the fans are located in Korea and seeing that no pro gamer are foreign there's no reason to even invest in something like that.
But sure, by all means, belive all the empty promises Blizzard/Activison is spoon feeding you. They sure got an awesome track record of failure. The same reason every other sport has commentators for different languages when rebroadcasting in different countries. Obviously all the fans are *not* just in Korea or we wouldn't be posting in this thread or on this website. There's nothing to stop them from putting up an english stream for the rest of the world outside of Korea.
There's no english stream because all the companies sponsoring are Korean companies. If there's Foreign sponsorship then you'll get a english stream. Then again, if there's a foreign sponsorship, they'll be sponsoring foreign players. It'll be like TSL.
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I would consider myself a hardcore starcraft fan, but i can't stand listening to a foreign language being yelled in my ear when i can't even understand it.
Gom TV allowed me to watch the best players in the world compete, with english commentary. KESPA took that away from me when they shafted gom.
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Forget the progamers that basically dedicated their lives to Starcraft to give us such amazing games...what really matters is that someone tells me in plain English whether that science vessel is looking to irradiate defilers or zerglings. I wish I could figure it out for myself, but I don't understand Korean.
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On May 27 2010 23:12 birchy wrote:
Yes but starcraft isn't your ip you don't own starcraft just because you brought the game its blizzards ip read up on ip laws, You can't go round going around acting like you own the ip just cuase you brought a copy off a game its a simple as that. Whats hard to understand? By your logic you can make the exact same game and say its yours and sell it off.
Gaming is a service.
Correction. I did not say I own the IP to the game. I said I own the IP to the content that I created using the game.
A key distinction.
I cannot say I owned the IP of any content that I created using the game that will be same or similar to the content that already exists with the game. For example, if I were to create content that may be similar to campaign games that Blizzard has already created, I should not be allowed to claim the IP of that.
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On May 27 2010 23:17 Fluffy Pingu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 23:10 StormsInJuly wrote:On May 27 2010 23:09 Fluffy Pingu wrote:
Do I have to use something in the way that the person made it tells me to?
I bought my TV, what if I do not want to watch it and just want to smash it to bits?
Starcraft or any other game may not have been made to be used as a tool, but as the product evolves, it becomes a tool and can be perceived as a tool. The original creator of the product may not agree to that use, but why should they have the right to stop me from using it the way I want to after I have paid the legal licence fees?
Anyway, I do not think you are going to agree and you don't seem to be providing any concrete arguments, so I will stop here. Do you have any legal precedent or evidence? Any clue at all what you're talking about? No. I do not need to talk about legal precedents. Why do I need to talk about legal precedents when I am hinting the law itself could be unjustified? As a consumer (think of yourself as a consumer), I pay for a product someone creates (one-off purchase) and I pay for a service someone provides. Blizzard is not providing a service to me, so why should I pay them (indirectly it may be)? Anyway, I see software as a tool, not content. Content created by software I have purchased, I should own the IP right attached to that content I created. If the laws say I do not own it, then it is my personal opinion it should be changed. I do not need any legal background to say that.
Err.. something is terribly flawed with your logic.
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For people having trouble with the copyright:
Games, like movies are sold with an individual license for private use. You are not allowed to use them commercially to make any profit off of them without pior written consent of the IP holder. Even non profit public showings are affected by this in theory though companies normaly simply turn a blind eye to them.
Though look on youtube, music companies have been on a rampage, deleting background tracks for fan videos left and right.
As far as the content, the replay, goes, yes, that's yours and you can do with it as you please.
Some people mentioned Word or Photoshop, it's the same. You buy it, you get a private license. The text you write, the images you create are yours. But you are NOT allowed to install your Photoshop on a publically accessible computer or give public live demosntrations using the software. Such actions would again require the consent of the program creator, usualy involving a public license.
If you have any more questions, ask away :-)
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On May 27 2010 23:21 FoxSpirit wrote:
For people having trouble with the copyright:
Games, like movies are sold with an individual license for private use. You are not allowed to use them commercially to make any profit off of them without pior written consent of the IP holder. Even non profit public showings are affected by this in theory though companies normaly simply turn a blind eye to them.
Though look on youtube, music companies have been on a rampage, deleting background tracks for fan videos left and right.
As far as the content, the replay, goes, yes, that's yours and you can do with it as you please.
Some people mentioned Word or Photoshop, it's the same. You buy it, you get a private license. The text you write, the images you create are yours. But you are NOT allowed to install your Photoshop on a publically accessible computer or give public live demosntrations using the software. Such actions would again require the consent of the program creator, usualy involving a public license.
If you have any more questions, ask away :-)
That's all fine and merry with the current law. But what if I want to sell my text I write with Word or the picture I create with Photoshop? Am I not allowed to do that?
If that is the case, then the law should be changed.
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On May 27 2010 23:18 Hectic wrote:
I would consider myself a hardcore starcraft fan, but i can't stand listening to a foreign language being yelled in my ear when i can't even understand it.
I'm sorry but not watching jon747/nevake vods or livestreams precludes being a hardcore fan
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On May 27 2010 23:18 Hectic wrote:
I would consider myself a hardcore starcraft fan, but i can't stand listening to a foreign language being yelled in my ear when i can't even understand it.
Gom TV allowed me to watch the best players in the world compete, with english commentary. KESPA took that away from me when they shafted gom.
I don't get why people hate KeSPA because of it, sure I loved GOM TV sessions with Tasteless and all that. But still, I understand why KeSPA did not wan't that tournament to take place. The players are already playing more then anyone could ask for.
I wonder how people would have reacted if Tasteless did a stream on OSL instead and the same thing would had been said about the GOM tournamnets.
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this is getting intense. grace period only until august... ogn and mbc better get their act together quick!
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I'm pretty new to the SC-progaming scene and teamliquid (follow them since about 7 months). Is there any way to read "the whole story" between Blizzard and Kespa? Most of it happened before my time here and I only catch bits from time to time.
I can't believe Blizzard would "just let the korean scene die", because they'll get nothing out of it. In Addition: If they wanted the "scene" to die, they wouldn't have given the rights to GOM, they'd have kept them and made an ultimatum anyways. From what I've read, I think GOM is supposed to be a neutral party ensuring, that Blizzard keeps their rights, gets a cut of the profit and at the same time, Kespa won't have to surrender the control to Blizzard.
Sure it's all about money, but thats the way of the world. In addition Blizzards "announcements" just make more sense. Even if they were the worst money whores on the planet, the demands they made (according to kespa) are just so unbelievably ridiculous that I cant believe that.
On the other Hand: If all Blizzard says was true, kespa wouldn't only be the worst money whores, but also the biggest idiots on the planet for paving their own road to more money and a broader audience (e.g. with SC2) with spikes and needles.
So if anyone has links to the matter or even a thread here on TL (couldn't find with a bunch of info), I'd appreciate it.
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On May 27 2010 23:16 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 23:13 xDaunt wrote:On May 27 2010 22:58 Perfect Balance wrote:
Blizzard have hi-jacked the users control over: LAN play, tournaments, replays, maps, custom content, and every single event including Starcraft 2.
This is the perfect analogy of a market liberal economy converting to communism overnight. We all remember what happened with communist countries, right? North-Korea chose communism, South-Korea chose economic liberalism. Which functions better? Don't confuse free market economics with outright IP theft and piracy. KeSPA paid to broadcast BW. And regardless of that, according to someone intelligent in a previous thread about this it would still count as a secondary market by Korean law anyway.
The point is that KeSPA did not pay Blizzard. I don't think that anyone is really going to know what went on behind closed doors during Blizzards negotiation with KeSPA, but I highly suspect that KeSPA poisoned the well and refused to offer any reasonable consideration to Blizzard. If GOM was willing to sign the contract with Blizzard, the terms that Blizzard insisted upon can't be that bad (though it would be interesting to see what Blizzard gets out of all of this).
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On May 27 2010 23:23 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 23:18 Hectic wrote:
I would consider myself a hardcore starcraft fan, but i can't stand listening to a foreign language being yelled in my ear when i can't even understand it.
I'm sorry but not watching jon747/nevake vods or livestreams precludes being a hardcore fan
actually i play starcraft about 4 hours a day, im prettty sure that makes me a hardcore fan enough for you to stfu
i watch plenty of MSL and OSL games, i just turn the sound down, I never said didnt watch them.
the english commentaries i have watched are day9, TSL and gom. I think its fairly obsurd to question someones desire to listen to a commentary in their own language.
the next thing i wish to say would probably get me banned, but you can probably guess what i think about you.
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KeSPA just needs to die, Blizzard have been more than patient with them; this is the perfect time to bring this issue to a head.
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and now we understand why idrA is in CJ 
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For anyone wondering what the truth in all this is I have news for you. Both sides want money. Your money. And ironically the person who ultimately loses out in all this is you (no lan etc...)
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On May 27 2010 23:33 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 23:16 infinity2k9 wrote:On May 27 2010 23:13 xDaunt wrote:On May 27 2010 22:58 Perfect Balance wrote:
Blizzard have hi-jacked the users control over: LAN play, tournaments, replays, maps, custom content, and every single event including Starcraft 2.
This is the perfect analogy of a market liberal economy converting to communism overnight. We all remember what happened with communist countries, right? North-Korea chose communism, South-Korea chose economic liberalism. Which functions better? Don't confuse free market economics with outright IP theft and piracy. KeSPA paid to broadcast BW. And regardless of that, according to someone intelligent in a previous thread about this it would still count as a secondary market by Korean law anyway. The point is that KeSPA did not pay Blizzard. I don't think that anyone is really going to know what went on behind closed doors during Blizzards negotiation with KeSPA, but I highly suspect that KeSPA poisoned the well and refused to offer any reasonable consideration to Blizzard. If GOM was willing to sign the contract with Blizzard, the terms that Blizzard insisted upon can't be that bad (though it would be interesting to see what Blizzard gets out of all of this).
It doesn't matter what is happening now but originally for BW they did pay Blizzard. So calling it piracy is just wrong.
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On May 27 2010 23:23 MaYuu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 23:18 Hectic wrote:
I would consider myself a hardcore starcraft fan, but i can't stand listening to a foreign language being yelled in my ear when i can't even understand it.
Gom TV allowed me to watch the best players in the world compete, with english commentary. KESPA took that away from me when they shafted gom.
I don't get why people hate KeSPA because of it, sure I loved GOM TV sessions with Tasteless and all that. But still, I understand why KeSPA did not wan't that tournament to take place. The players are already playing more then anyone could ask for. I wonder how people would have reacted if Tasteless did a stream on OSL instead and the same thing would had been said about the GOM tournamnets.
im pretty sure players playing tooo much is the last thing kespa cares about. Obviously kespa would have shut down gom because it was competing with them and advertising sponsors other than those in their little monopoly.
So organisations shutting down something i enjoy because of money = i hate
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Glad these articles came out. I've always supported Blizzard in that sc2 is thier property, not kespa's. Kespa seems to be at fault when they refused to even negotiate, they asked for too much, and now they will have to negotiate with GOM as the middle man, and boy does that make me happy.
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Don’t know why everyone thinks Blizzard should give away its rights to KeSPA. I think KeSPA got what it deserved. It wanted something for nothing, all the while profiting off SC1.
Think about it, any where else, if someone builds a stadium (Starcraft) for teams to play in, the NFL (in this case organizations like KeSPA) teams play at that stadium. But the stadium gets rights to selling the seats. KeSPA wanted Blizzard to build a stadium, then KeSPA wants to keep rights to:
sell the seats
sell the drinks at the hotdog stands
sell the hot dogs
sell the picture of the stadium on their NFL jerseys
I don’t know how people can back such a greedy group. I’m glad they are gone. I’m boycotting any games with their logo on it.
I officially announce the Boycott KeSPA Movement until they come to an agreement.
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