EPTHow cheated is a Gaming Mouse with Macro ? - Page 2
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funk100
United Kingdom172 Posts
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Kikimiki
Egypt92 Posts
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Darkalbino
Australia410 Posts
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Rodiel
France573 Posts
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Baerinho
Germany257 Posts
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makoplux
88 Posts
On May 22 2010 21:06 im a roc wrote: That wouldn't be a lan, that would just be people playing in the same building still connected to battle.net with the same lag as if they were on opposite sides of the continent. Are you really going to be that technical? First of all it's highly likely that all the computers WOULD be connected to a LAN. Whether Battle.net2.0 supports playing games over said LAN is another story. So what you'd have is a bunch of computers connected via LAN however games are still played through Battle.net2.0. Secondly I'm going to assume that you understand the term LAN is being used, in this context, to describe a "localized" tournament. Yet still you continue to nitpick (read: troll). | ||
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LunarC
United States1186 Posts
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shalafiend
United States62 Posts
Or will the lack of extensive macro techniques (apm) unleash the latent strategic potential in their brains? Less reptitive tasks to cater to, more time can be devoted to devising a strategy to defeating your opponent. if anyone's watched the movie "gamer" with gerald butler- where video games are played on giant hd screens, and the actions are controlled by a persons brain/hands/arms instead of just his fingers, its sort of like virtual reality. If in the future we will immerse ourselves fully in video games where our brain controls all without physical limitations (fingers/apm) then it will be truly be a contest of brains/strategy. Since we're headed that way, would a macro mouse catch on in the sc world? allowing for more intuitive/strategic play unhindered by physical limitations? video games will then become like chess, and pure intelligence/acquire dknowledge (build orders) batles. video games will still be fun at lower levels, but competitively it will be a totally difference scene. thoughts on macro mice becoming part of the competitive scene and unlocking more strategic potential? | ||
MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
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Diks
Belgium1880 Posts
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nyshak
Germany132 Posts
Personally I don`t like game automization at all, but its very hard to track this. You can ban mice and keyboards like this on a LAN, but it will be used on Bnet and Blizz won`t be able to do much about it, because you cannot prove if the player actually hit those keys or if he used a macro. | ||
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Diks
Belgium1880 Posts
Nobody can be as fast as this mouse. How many milli seconds does it take to build 12 mutas ? (either you press 5st (and you let your finger on t to spam it) = 1sec ( press 5sttttttttttttt as fast as you can) = more than a sec with this mouse : 0 sec you can build macro large amount of larve while micro kiting units easily and with more efficiency than with regular keyboard macro | ||
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graphene
Finland211 Posts
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LunarC
United States1186 Posts
On May 22 2010 21:21 shalafiend wrote: lol, i reallly want to see how far someone with a macro mouse can go competitively, will they get stomped by people who learned their macro/mechanics the hard way? Or will the lack of extensive macro techniques (apm) unleash the latent strategic potential in their brains? Less reptitive tasks to cater to, more time can be devoted to devising a strategy to defeating your opponent. if anyone's watched the movie "gamer" with gerald butler- where video games are played on giant hd screens, and the actions are controlled by a persons brain/hands/arms instead of just his fingers, its sort of like virtual reality. If in the future we will immerse ourselves fully in video games where our brain controls all without physical limitations (fingers/apm) then it will be truly be a contest of brains/strategy. Since we're headed that way, would a macro mouse catch on in the sc world? allowing for more intuitive/strategic play unhindered by physical limitations? video games will then become like chess, and pure intelligence/acquire dknowledge (build orders) batles. video games will still be fun at lower levels, but competitively it will be a totally difference scene. thoughts on macro mice becoming part of the competitive scene and unlocking more strategic potential? This is like asking if sports will someday overcome the fatigue and physical limits associated with running and moving around physically in favor of pure tactics and strategy. Starcraft has always been all about both the mental game AND the physical game. Both are essential to the game, and each should be as important as the other. Starcraft 2 already cuts back a lot of the physical aspect of the game, and a mouse like this would completely destroy it. | ||
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Buffy
Sweden665 Posts
EDIT:still isn't this game about mind/physical war ? If you arent fast enough with your head to hadn cordination and fast swapping to something else your worse then your opponent ?  | ||
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edahl
Norway483 Posts
On May 22 2010 21:23 MasterOfChaos wrote: IMO any 1 to 1 remapping of keys is ok, any 1 to n (n>1) remapping is cheating. Or n:1-mapping in this case. Macros are obviously not fine. StarCraft had always been known for its pure gameplay with all players competing on equal grounds. Just install it on any PC and it's the same. What they do in HoN I do not care, but I think this is a healthy stance for SC. | ||
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FuryX
Australia495 Posts
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Luke-
3 Posts
It does provide a noticable advantage, especially in the late stages of the game, when instead of pressing 5 s r r r r r r r r r r r r, all you need to do is press one button. No matter how "skilled" you are at mashing keys quickly, producing 10 or more roaches is going to cost you at least a second (2s are more likely). Not only is this simply time you can't spend on other things, you're also likely to lose it at a moment where every second matters: a big fight! So while your opponent only needs to push 1 or 2 buttons on his mouse to resupply his army, you need to "waste" a second or two clicking. And that's time not spent on microing. So where is this heading? Let's face it, only the very best of players are going to play in front of an audience, the vast majority will sit at home alone. So even if these devices aren't allowed on big events, 99.999% of players will still be able to use them. It might not be an issue for KeSPA, but it certainly is one for the top percent of the European/American players. If you're a competitive amateur, you might be very tempted to get one. (I think we can all agree this is a bad thing as it unnecessarily eases decision making. While the user of an ordinary mouse is forced to decide in the aforementioned big fight wether he wants to produce or micro, the macro mouse user can simply do both.) | ||
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nyshak
Germany132 Posts
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JohnQPublic
United States123 Posts
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=14551555&postId=145201989&sid=1#0 I myself got a temp ban for using a macro on my nostromo just for logging in automatically, and I'm sure the rules will be even stricter in sc2. | ||
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