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On May 22 2010 21:50 JohnQPublic wrote:Blizz has specifically stated in the past that if you create macros that push more then one button then they will ban your account for it. It has happened to countless people in wow and its not even very useful for anything there. I guarantee that this won't be an issue as warden is very good at detecting anything of this sort, even random intervals (if the mouse is even capable of that) are fairly easy to detect because of the input methods they use. http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=14551555&postId=145201989&sid=1#0I myself got a temp ban for using a macro on my nostromo just for logging in automatically, and I'm sure the rules will be even stricter in sc2.
Seems only fair and square, hope they will keep it as you predict strict to starcraft as well !
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just fine i think, how much was that mouse?
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On May 22 2010 21:50 JohnQPublic wrote:Blizz has specifically stated in the past that if you create macros that push more then one button then they will ban your account for it. It has happened to countless people in wow and its not even very useful for anything there. I guarantee that this won't be an issue as warden is very good at detecting anything of this sort, even random intervals (if the mouse is even capable of that) are fairly easy to detect because of the input methods they use. http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=14551555&postId=145201989&sid=1#0I myself got a temp ban for using a macro on my nostromo just for logging in automatically, and I'm sure the rules will be even stricter in sc2.
That's good news, Blizzard will do something about it. Auto-macro remove a large part of the game and makes people fighting not on an equal ground
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On May 22 2010 21:52 trancey_ wrote:
just fine i think, how much was that mouse?
i bought it (cheaper) 40 euros but regular price is more like 55 euros
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It's not cheating because there's no real way to be faster with macros then just executing it manually. The problem is not that the macro can't be faster it's just that it's not adaptable enough. When you start macroing more than 2 actions in a row it becomes so specific that you'll only use it once in a while or maybe not at all.
The best one I came up with was a spammable spawn larva macro that did everything I just had to mash on it and center my mouse cursor while mashing. Unfortunately I soon realized that it wasn't very effective because when I spawned larva manually I often did a number of other things near my hatcheries before moving my focus elsewhere.
Basically being adaptable was better than being fast.
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On May 22 2010 20:57 Zerum wrote:
it's is as much cheating as maphack IMO
Really? Logic, much?
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On May 22 2010 21:56 ManiacTheZealot wrote:
It's not cheating because there's no real way to be faster with macros then just executing it manually.
Basically being adaptable was better than being fast.
Yes it is, stuff happens simultaneously (or if you prefere with 1ms of delay) you take at least 100 ms to do 5sd
You cannot macro all game long wiith this mouse but it'll benefit you in some numerous situations.
Where if you had to do it manually, it'll take some time, some battle focus, some hand-on-keyboard positioning and you might mis-micro something.
Having 8 additional buttons give you choice. a choice that other player won't have
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On May 22 2010 21:50 JohnQPublic wrote:Blizz has specifically stated in the past that if you create macros that push more then one button then they will ban your account for it. It has happened to countless people in wow and its not even very useful for anything there. I guarantee that this won't be an issue as warden is very good at detecting anything of this sort, even random intervals (if the mouse is even capable of that) are fairly easy to detect because of the input methods they use. http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=14551555&postId=145201989&sid=1#0I myself got a temp ban for using a macro on my nostromo just for logging in automatically, and I'm sure the rules will be even stricter in sc2.
I played wow for like 3 years using a G15 to execute really long macros that pressed all kinds of buttons and never got banned or emailed about it. I even used mouse clicking software to sit afk in AV. I highly doubt that you got banned for logging on with a macro. I have my passwords macroed too its very convenient.
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I'm about to roundhouse half of this thread right out the window. Brace yourselves. If you have multiple larvae selected and you hold down a production hotkey (for example Z for zergling) it will rapidly create units. No macro or special keyboard/mouse needed. Go try it. So any macro that you think is creating units faster, isn't.
Now another issue which might actually be a debate is the larvae injection macro the the OP claims to have made quoted here:
With this mouse you can also do some macros with recordable delays
an exemple : F5 (center screen on hatch1)
6 (select your queens)
v (larva infect)
(click on your hatch)
wait 600 ms
F6 (center screen hatch 2)
v
(click on your hatch)
wait 600 ms
F7
v
(click on your hatch)
Now correct me if I'm wrong but you either have to make this macro ahead of time, in which case you'd have to make multiple macros because the number of hatcheries you have changes during the game OR... you have to make this macro in game while playing and update it every time you gain/lose a hatchery. Honestly that seems like more work than its worth. Then even if you look at the time included in the macro (600ms per hatch) you'll realize that it really doesn't take much longer if at all to do it yourself. I find it pretty easy to hit my queen hot key, then V, and click on the mini map above each hatchery. I'm confident I can hit 3 hatcheries in 1.8 seconds and I just started playing.
Then there's the non-macro issue of mapping and binding. First of all, upon release blizzard will be allowing custom binds via the game interface or text file. So if you want to bind "select all idle workers" to the question mark key instead of the incredibly cumbersome ctrl+F1 that it is now, you can. And then if you want to map the question mark key to one of the side mouse buttons to make it easier to reach, you can. Hell, if you want to mod a Nintendo Power Pad as an input device and map attack to 6, you can. Now it may turn out that tournaments will disallow advanced drivers that allow you to remap your mouse or keyboard, but that's up to the hosts to decide. Just realize that binding and mapping single keypresses/actions is a separate issue than macros that combine multiple actions
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On May 22 2010 22:01 Diks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2010 21:56 ManiacTheZealot wrote:
It's not cheating because there's no real way to be faster with macros then just executing it manually.
Basically being adaptable was better than being fast. Yes it is, stuff happens simultaneously (or if you prefere with 1ms of delay) you take at least 100 ms to do 5sd You cannot macro all game long wiith this mouse but it'll benefit you in some numerous situations. Where if you had to do it manually, it'll take some time, some battle focus, some hand-on-keyboard positioning and you might mis-micro something. Having 8 additional buttons give you choice. a choice that other player won't have
Show me a macro that does more than press 2 or 3 buttons that I would be better off using than just doing it manually.
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I agree this macro is kinda useless but it was an exemple.
and i've set 600ms but i could say 200...
More seriously if you want to turn all your laravae into drones it'll take you a seconde i'm sure while pressing the button will do i INSTANTLY (really, it's like all at once but in the right order)
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Do people actually use macros like these anymore? I remember that they were very widespread during the launch of FFXI, but their usage was limited as the games life went on. Same with WoW, but WoW never allowed for advanced macro usage because it was very easily confusable with botting. Other than in an MMO where you use them for mundane tasks like targeting or quickly changing gear, why would you ever need them..
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it might have it uses, but in reality none ? in early game this is only good if you have to spamm to reach your fake 300 apm, by doing nothing.., in midgame, it might be decent if you go for one thing completely
in late game its probably terrible , cuz you will need like 20 macros, and imagine miss clicking one..
it takes no time to select all hatcheries.. its the reason you keybind them all
1>s >ttttttttt takes 2s instead of 1s with you.. i wont loose cuz of that..
things like this were discussed 5 years ago, and been forgotten.. its not game breaking, it was more gamebreaking in wow than it will ever be in any rts.. and even in wow where you would queue 5 things at a time, it was forgotten,
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http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6762551711&sid=1&pageNo=1#19
Another link of blizzards stance on this in wow. It is not very hard to detect and quite clearly breaks the game a lot more then it does in wow. If they were to allow this it would be no different then some sort of hack that macros for you or a hack that allows easy cloning.
If we have any faith at all in blizzard then this will not be allowed. To me its the same thing as asking "Will blizzard allow maphacking?" of course they want an even field as possible and as its a lot easier to detect then maphacks. Someone could ask on the b.net forums but I'm 99% sure of the answer.
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I have the exact same mouse a the OP and I just tried creating 10 drones using both the macro method and the hold production key method and the difference was negligible. They create just as fast, I'm telling you go try it.
I've dealt with concerns like this in other games. People get so worked up about "automation" that they never stop to figure out if it actually provides an advantage. Think about how easy it is to use the hold production key method that I posted, and then think about how many macros you would have to make to use the macro method. You'd need another macro (and another button) for every single unit that you would want to mass produce. At this point you're actually making it more difficult than using the default. So by doing this, you're only giving the advantage to your opponent.
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On May 22 2010 20:59 andeh wrote:
probably wont be allowed at lans, and lans are the only thing that matter
Lan, what is this lan you talk about?
(Seriously though, Live championships will be disputed in a "lan" even though it'll be through battle,net, so yeah there will "be" kind of.)
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Wouldn't call it a cheat but yeah ,it is surely giving a unfair advantage...
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blizzard have already stated keyboard/mouse macro's are fine for doing 1 action
anything macro actions are considered abuse
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not allowed on offline tournaments so u will have never success with that ^^
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does this mean somebody with a brand new high precision gaming mouse has an unfair advantage to someone using a ball mouse and therefore shouldn't use it? I don't understand how its cheating if he went out and buy a more advanced mouse...
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