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Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
May 21 2010 17:57 GMT
#1081
I will dutifully try to find a use for ultralisks, using frenzy, drops, nydus and everything. And when i fail I hope my stats will get to blizzard in time for the 2nd patch after release so they can realize how fucking dumb they are...
VereZ
Profile Joined April 2010
France34 Posts
May 21 2010 17:58 GMT
#1082
On May 22 2010 02:55 Lylat wrote:
And what the point of removing copper division and adding diamond ? I mean now Cooper = Bronze and Platinium = Diamond, they just changed the name .. ?


Someone said on IRC that it's because too many people were confused by copper and bronze: they were looking almost the same and some people did not understand if copper > bronze or reverse...

Thus, with Diamond you have no confusion possible since Diamonds are women's best friends.
Volshok
Profile Joined August 2008
United States349 Posts
May 21 2010 17:58 GMT
#1083
The balance changes section of this patch reads like a drunken copper player attempting to resolve issues by throwing darts at a suggestion board full of bnet forum posts. It's somewhere between hilarious and completely absurd. Reading the situation report is making me laugh everytime, gems like;

We have put in a large number of buffs to the Ultralisk to allow him to close the gap on his enemies. The Ultralisk can now ignore Force Fields and with the Infestor’s Frenzy ability he can ignore all of the ways that the enemy could disable him. With all of these buffs the Ultralisk needed to be rebalanced. We are focusing him more as an anti-armored unit since zerg players already have a few ways to deal with mass light units (Banelings and Fungal Growth). This Ultralisk should be able to deal with both mass Marauders and mass Roaches which are a common threat to zerg players in some end game scenarios.


The issue with Ultras dying against Marauders was not that Ultras couldn't damage them, it's that stimmed Marauders shred an ultralisk in a single volley. All this bonus damage is completely worthless if the Ultras never reach the Marauders. Feels like wow arenas all over again, sheer stupidity.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=123657
Darkn3ss
Profile Joined November 2009
United States717 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 18:04:21
May 21 2010 17:58 GMT
#1084
Blizzard is trying to "fix" TvP so they break everything else... including TvP...

Terran can basically just sit back til the 5 minute mark, then 1a into the enemy's base......

"Our forces are under attack!"

Oh... *hits "T"

On May 22 2010 02:58 VereZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 02:55 Lylat wrote:
And what the point of removing copper division and adding diamond ? I mean now Cooper = Bronze and Platinium = Diamond, they just changed the name .. ?


Someone said on IRC that it's because too many people were confused by copper and bronze: they were looking almost the same and some people did not understand if copper > bronze or reverse...

Thus, with Diamond you have no confusion possible since Diamonds are women's best friends.


Are you calling us women?!?! xD


Anyway... with the way things are going... I'm thinking beta might last a lil longerrrrrr........... lol
Dont quote me boy, cuz I aint saying shhh...
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
May 21 2010 17:59 GMT
#1085
On May 22 2010 02:51 mecra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 02:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Ultras will be better than before simply because the 2 food roach means less roaches and more hydras, which means an enemy unit composition with less marauders and immortals. A full tech switch would be required to build up enough armor pen to take down a full ultra, and the new frenzy spell lets ultras get in past marauder fire.

Stop saying they wont work just by looking at the ultra itself. Starcraft is not a 1v1 game, it is based on interactions between units the whole way through.


I don't agree on the "less" Marauder thing. You're assuming people will alter course or build according to what they see. Lots of games I see and play end with people NOT doing that. Thus, Ultras versus Mauraders would be still very much a case scenario and one with the Ultras probably losing.

So what do you want? Ultras to be so amazing they can walk through the unit meant to take them out? If the opponent doesnt change his style, just go hydra ling against marauders and win that way. If the opponent switches the unit comp, then get some ultras.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
raybasto
Profile Joined April 2010
United States151 Posts
May 21 2010 18:03 GMT
#1086
Wow. No size decrease for Ultralisks? So they're still going to be dancing behind my Roach/Hydra army and never get a hit in. I would've liked to see some sort of pathing fix where they walk through your own Lings/Roaches/Hydras and maybe an upgrade conversion because I'm still going to be focused on getting ranged upgrades instead of melee, since my army mid-game is going to consist mostly of Roaches/Hydras.
SDRB - Mid/High Master Level Zerg || Follow me at Twitch.tv/RayBasto and @RaymondBasto
Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
May 21 2010 18:04 GMT
#1087
On May 22 2010 02:59 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 02:51 mecra wrote:
On May 22 2010 02:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Ultras will be better than before simply because the 2 food roach means less roaches and more hydras, which means an enemy unit composition with less marauders and immortals. A full tech switch would be required to build up enough armor pen to take down a full ultra, and the new frenzy spell lets ultras get in past marauder fire.

Stop saying they wont work just by looking at the ultra itself. Starcraft is not a 1v1 game, it is based on interactions between units the whole way through.


I don't agree on the "less" Marauder thing. You're assuming people will alter course or build according to what they see. Lots of games I see and play end with people NOT doing that. Thus, Ultras versus Mauraders would be still very much a case scenario and one with the Ultras probably losing.

So what do you want? Ultras to be so amazing they can walk through the unit meant to take them out? If the opponent doesnt change his style, just go hydra ling against marauders and win that way. If the opponent switches the unit comp, then get some ultras.


The only time I can see using ultras is vs a P who doesn't know about the advanced building button, and thus only has mass non-blinking stalkers + sentry + zealot
TLOBrian
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States453 Posts
May 21 2010 18:08 GMT
#1088
Ultras even more useless now. They're not even going to be able to get in range to do ANY damage whatsoever. You're better off making a shit ton of zerglings!

Terran infantry got a BUFF? A FUCKING BUFF? Great, even quicker marauder rushes with stim!

I don't know what the hell Blizzard is thinking. >.<
Steven Bonnell II is the friggin man.
DooMDash
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1015 Posts
May 21 2010 18:09 GMT
#1089
Lots of QQ in this thread. Pretty cool changes, lots of which will need TESTING before QQing.
S1 3500+ Master T. S2 1600+ Master T.
mecra
Profile Joined May 2010
United States83 Posts
May 21 2010 18:09 GMT
#1090
On May 22 2010 02:59 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 02:51 mecra wrote:
On May 22 2010 02:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Ultras will be better than before simply because the 2 food roach means less roaches and more hydras, which means an enemy unit composition with less marauders and immortals. A full tech switch would be required to build up enough armor pen to take down a full ultra, and the new frenzy spell lets ultras get in past marauder fire.

Stop saying they wont work just by looking at the ultra itself. Starcraft is not a 1v1 game, it is based on interactions between units the whole way through.


I don't agree on the "less" Marauder thing. You're assuming people will alter course or build according to what they see. Lots of games I see and play end with people NOT doing that. Thus, Ultras versus Mauraders would be still very much a case scenario and one with the Ultras probably losing.

So what do you want? Ultras to be so amazing they can walk through the unit meant to take them out? If the opponent doesnt change his style, just go hydra ling against marauders and win that way. If the opponent switches the unit comp, then get some ultras.


So Ultras were buffed against the "unit meant to take them out" by giving extra damage but less HP so the "unit meant to take them out" takes them out faster. Yes I want Ultras to be able to walk up and swing at Marauders instead of just die to them while stimmed. So you want me to go a combo against marauders but the terran player isnt' allowed to combo but just goes STRAIGHT marauders? The logic seems flawed in that it assumes the Terran won't combo against hydra-ling with Marauders.
Squallcloud
Profile Joined February 2008
France466 Posts
May 21 2010 18:11 GMT
#1091
On May 22 2010 02:58 VereZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 02:55 Lylat wrote:
And what the point of removing copper division and adding diamond ? I mean now Cooper = Bronze and Platinium = Diamond, they just changed the name .. ?


Someone said on IRC that it's because too many people were confused by copper and bronze: they were looking almost the same and some people did not understand if copper > bronze or reverse...

Thus, with Diamond you have no confusion possible since Diamonds are women's best friends.


I always tought that platinum was more valuable than diamond, am i wrong?

Googled a bit but only found the french tradition to offer diamond for the 60th year wedding anniversary and platinum for the 70th year anniversary.
Firebathero fanboy - It's not that i'm dumb i'm just controlled by a retarded infestor - Day[9]
chraej.
Profile Joined February 2010
51 Posts
May 21 2010 18:12 GMT
#1092
lol. stim buff.

lets see how this one plays out.

+1 to massive units destroying ff though.
from the ashes
TSL-Lore
Profile Joined January 2009
United States412 Posts
May 21 2010 18:13 GMT
#1093
this further proves that Blizzard is destroying the Starcraft franchise that they so expertly created, back when their development teams actually cared about making a good game. Now, they've all become so fat with WoW money that they aren't even trying anymore.

Frenzy - what the hell is this shit? We're moving further and further away from a swarming race. What happened to my brutal Hydralisks that didn't give a shit about having a damage buff because they were so numerous? What happened to zerg not caring about dying because they'd just have more to replace them?

Ultralisk - the ONE unit that the zerg actually cared to genetically mutate to be HARD TO KILL has finally become easier to kill. Great job, Blizz.

Roaches - Still 2 food. Looks like the Terran United Earth Directorate cares LESS about human casualties (marines are 1 food, thus hoards of them die like ants) than kerrigan does about her underlings (2 food roach / 2 food hydra) .. Kerrigan must cry herself to sleep everytime one of her precious, expensive, slow moving, shit roach/hydra armies die.

There are too many fucking problems with this game to list here.
I want to become stronger. -Shindou Hikaru
raybasto
Profile Joined April 2010
United States151 Posts
May 21 2010 18:13 GMT
#1094
HuskyStarcraft Quote:
http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25026562839&sid=5000
Idra likes to complain alot. he is a moron with bad manners.

Someone just needs to knock the lights out of that guy.


Lol @ Husky. He's mad that Idra beat his favorite SC player Nony in his own tournament. Did you hear him during the Nony Moodglade matches?
SDRB - Mid/High Master Level Zerg || Follow me at Twitch.tv/RayBasto and @RaymondBasto
fellcrow
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States288 Posts
May 21 2010 18:14 GMT
#1095
I definitely think part of problem is now the zerg has limited AA. Back in BW you could go cracklings and ultralisk end game with dark swarm covering you. Now you have no cover. You have to get AA. Or the other player does a tech switch to air and you are already working on your 3/3 melee/armor upgrades which become useless if he tech switches, imo. Maybe a tech switch like that isn't viable, i dunno, what do you guys think?

I bring this up because for the ultralisk to be viable with this HP nerf, they really do need to be fully upgraded, so you have to start them early. I dunno. thoughts...haha
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
May 21 2010 18:14 GMT
#1096
On May 22 2010 02:55 Lylat wrote:
And what the point of removing copper division and adding diamond ? I mean now Cooper = Bronze and Platinium = Diamond, they just changed the name .. ?


I think Blizzard wanted people to feel better about themselves so instead of being in copper league you'd be in bronze, instead of bronze you'd be in silver, etc. I'm not so sure that Diamond is a good league name though, sounds feminine to me.

9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
epik640x
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1134 Posts
May 21 2010 18:15 GMT
#1097
why is husky such a whiny little b*tch? Idra is being completely rational and husky attacks him like a petulant child.
asdfTT123
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States989 Posts
May 21 2010 18:20 GMT
#1098
On May 22 2010 03:15 epik640x wrote:
why is husky such a whiny little b*tch? Idra is being completely rational and husky attacks him like a petulant child.


Don't think that's Husky. There are like five different Husky's in the NA realm.
n.Die_Jaedong <3
Redder
Profile Joined May 2010
Ireland40 Posts
May 21 2010 18:22 GMT
#1099
I think Husky's real ID is HuskyTheHusky, could be wrong though.
A wild Pidgey appears!
StayFrosty
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada743 Posts
May 21 2010 18:23 GMT
#1100
Seriously husky I don't agree with that comment. Idra's statement is as valid as anyone else's opinion on the forums. Granted he can sometimes be BM.
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