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SayaSP
Laos5494 Posts
On May 22 2010 03:37 NATO wrote: As stated in Blizzard's patch discussions, this is supposed to counter Thor's ability to immobilize Ultras. There was no mention of marauders. So yes, this does change ZvT. it doesnt stop the damage that 250mm cannons deal. seems fine for zvt | ||
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zomgzergrush
United States923 Posts
On May 22 2010 03:37 NATO wrote: As stated in Blizzard's patch discussions, this is supposed to counter Thor's ability to immobilize Ultras. There was no mention of marauders. So yes, this does change ZvT. ohhhhh so blizz thinks THORS are the ultra counter? if that were the case, then the patch might actually make sense. Unfortunately for us who actually know how to play the game a bit better than blizz, it does not (neural parasite ultralisk zomg!). not to mention On May 22 2010 03:39 SayaSP wrote: it doesnt stop the damage that 250mm cannons deal. seems fine for zvt | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
ultra needed survivabilty and movement buff not a damage buff. terran infantry was INSANELY good - they did NOT need a buff. everything else is ok unless overseers become broken with corrupt buildings lol.. | ||
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zomgzergrush
United States923 Posts
We have put in a large number of buffs to the Ultralisk to allow him to close the gap on his enemies......This Ultralisk should be able to deal with both mass Marauders and mass Roaches which are a common threat to zerg players in some end game scenarios. HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NOPE! | ||
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
On May 22 2010 03:37 NATO wrote: As stated in Blizzard's patch discussions, this is supposed to counter Thor's ability to immobilize Ultras. There was no mention of marauders. So yes, this does change ZvT. What? This Ultralisk should be able to deal with both mass Marauders and mass Roaches which are a common threat to zerg players in some end game scenarios. | ||
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Darkn3ss
United States717 Posts
IMHO after patch 12 all they needed to do is give roach 2 base armor back. Reduce marauders damage to like ~16ish to armored and ~8ish to light. Reduce Void Rays range from 6 to 7 and call it a day. (Or at least see how that plays out.) Oh, and DON'T YOU EVEN DARE calling marauders ANTI-ARMORED UNITS since massing them works well vs either or... light units have liiiiittle HP so it doesn't take BIG dmg to take em out effectively... so marauders are pretty damn good vs everything but air....... especially late game. Blizz didn't want "too many" roaches on the field... how about too many marauders?! Lol Imo nerf marauders a bit. that would fix the game altogether... terran will be forced to micro a lil more vs toss... that's about it. Cuz each time terran get a buff it breaks ZvT even further... which triggers zerg buffs... which break ZvP! ZvP is SO EZ atm... so is ZvZ. Hydra/ling/corruptor dominate protoss. Since roaches are so "fat" banelings dominate ZvZ... I mean I get banelings before ling speed now and win since 2 baneling kill all of his lings and my lings clean up very few roaches that he can possibly have.... Balance it based on what pros say and give noobs something to strive for! Don't make the game so easy that a caveman could play it on platinum level! BW took some people YEARS to "master" and get to C+ on iccup (excluding some wunderkinds like Kolll) which is still LOL. So yeah... EDIT: btw what happened with the patch? Is it out? I can't log into battle.net and I can't post on b.net forums... says there was an error retrieving my characted... -.- | ||
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palefountains
China24 Posts
On May 22 2010 03:23 Failsafe wrote: this is a great patch. i have no idea what everyone's bitching about. "oh fucking my the void ray has one less range. my aerial super unit can go on exactly as before except it has to be slightly closer." if nothing else you can hope that this will focus more attention on the viking's insanely long air-to-air range what's the other protoss issue? ultralisks can walk through force fields, heaven forbid. or maybe people are concerned that we'll see more thor drops as a means of dispelling force fields because you know thors sure as hell aren't gonna be usain bolting around the map to crush the fucking things the terran infantry change is fine. combat shields definitely shouldn't have been 150/150 to begin with and neither should stim. frankly if you're losing to all terran infantry or really even struggling with it on the regular then whether the upgrade costs 150/150 or 100/100 is not gonna make any difference. about the ultralisk - who the fuck knows what's happening there. this is the one change that makes zero sense. i can only assume that this whole ultralisk phase is a big joke on all of us beta testers. i guess if you're a zerg and you weren't building ultralisks before this patch you can go on not building them. LMAO. "150/150 or 100/100 is not gonna make any difference". So 100/100 or 50/50 is not gonna make any difference, either. 50/50 or 0/0...maybe terran should get bonus resource for tech upgrading since there is NO DIFFERENCE, WHY NOT? | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
maybe it's good for really bad players. which is probably what the people who are balancing the game are. | ||
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Sosha
United States749 Posts
Keep the Protoss Nerfs coming, PLEASE!! I mean, why would Protoss need to be any good!? Just give all the bonus' to Terran/Zerg!! Blizzard guys are total douches. Just because millions of f'n zerg/terrans complain day in and day out about their own suckage and Protoss "imbalances", unjustifyably.. the idiots @ blizzard listen.. give nothing but nerfs to Protoss, while terran/zerg get buffed out of this world.. Protoss: Longer immortal build time.. Forge less HP and I think longer build time Void ray, LESS RANGE when it was alrdy weak.. and force fields being destroyed by massive units. It was the only savior for Protoss vs. Protoss, that the collosus could be trapped by force fields, making them easier to deal w/ in combat.. but now, they can just walk right over them.. BRILLIANT! Terran: (however) Gets Cheaper and Cheaper upgrades everytime theres a patch. Stim/Concussive shells/combat shield upgrades all have become cheaper.. Hey blizzard, why dont u just make reapers FREE, require NO add-on and as soon as the barracks is constructed, it arms a Nuke for the ghost.. I mean, get real.. Terran obviously sucks and needs these kind of adjustments, so get to it! Zerg: gets their new upgrades for a unit they complain'd was really weak. Ultralisk gets a little bit nerfed and buffed at the same time, although they still won't be used.. | ||
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MrShank
Canada144 Posts
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Shiladie
Canada1631 Posts
On May 22 2010 03:37 NATO wrote: As stated in Blizzard's patch discussions, this is supposed to counter Thor's ability to immobilize Ultras. There was no mention of marauders. So yes, this does change ZvT. 250mm cannon now 1-shots ultras anyways with their lower HP, so the fact the stun doesn't happen is really not that important... | ||
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palefountains
China24 Posts
Protoss users use void rays a lot just because they have tried hard with every other unit... | ||
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Darow
United Kingdom36 Posts
On May 22 2010 03:53 Sosha wrote: Protoss: Void ray, LESS RANGE when it was alrdy weak.. This was needed badly.I think a majority of people agree with it. | ||
KwarK
United States43971 Posts
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
On May 22 2010 03:46 Darkn3ss wrote: IMHO after patch 12 all they needed to do is give roach 2 base armor back. Reduce marauders damage to like ~16ish to armored and ~8ish to light. Reduce Void Rays range from 6 to 7 and call it a day. omg this is exactly what i was thinking to myself. well, in my head i was thinking 10+5 for marauders but our ideas are super similar. likee | ||
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forgotten0ne
United States951 Posts
Secondly, I really think this is Blizzard's plot to elimate every single unit's utility in Zerg. Blizzard: Yes, we're tired of people using Zerg units for more than just their purpose, so we're going to patch this game until Zerg is played exactly how we want it to be! No more variety in game style! Step 1: Eliminate Roach use - Complete. Step 2: Eliminate any possibility of using a single unit as a tank, because we must live up to the true name of Zerg!!! - Complete. | ||
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ZpuX
Sweden1230 Posts
On May 22 2010 03:50 palefountains wrote: LMAO. "150/150 or 100/100 is not gonna make any difference". So 100/100 or 50/50 is not gonna make any difference, either. 50/50 or 0/0...maybe terran should get bonus resource for tech upgrading since there is NO DIFFERENCE, WHY NOT? well 150/150 to 100/100 is not a big difference, but 150/150 to 50/50 is.... | ||
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CandelaSC2
Uruguay18 Posts
This patch is so much fun!!!! now terran can 3 rax RAPE EVERYONE the fast 8 marauder stim pack rush vs toss is going to be RETARDEDLY FAST and of course for the time some "void rays" want to push in you will have 2 million stim packed and armored fashined marines to rape the house even more now that they have the same range? =O so cool!!!! zerg now has wc3 spells AWESOME :S, the only thing i see as a good thing is the overrseer now having infested shit thats cool, i think that is going to be of well use. and then the FORCE FIELD RETARDATION AWESOME tell me 1 gigantic unit that zerg can pull of to "destroy force fields"? i mean FACT number 1 DONT PUT A "COMAND AND CONQUER" developer to do a mens job, see what is happening, another thing they are making the game more and more WC3 friendly to gain sales, sorry my friends bu this is SC, i played my ass off to get to A- in iccup and to play all the WGTOUR tornaments finlas, now it seems like any retard can pull off a win, all the smart cast is completly against sc philosophy. finally, MY GOD FRENZY??? WATAHELL??? next time please bring a new unit to terran, the "SOCCERER" whit METAMORPHOSIS and also we want BLOOD LUST (ironic mode) cya arround fellas, i expect everyone to play terran in the server from today until may 31st User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 22 2010 03:58 KwarK wrote: The colossus force field thing is huge for gateway units vs colo in early game pvp. A warp gate rush could hit before the colo got out but the colo could wipe it out in a few shots. Sentries low damage and zeals melee made a single colo hard to kill without force fielding behind it to trap it with the zeals. Now that's gone pvp will be changed significantly. I won't say they've altered the balance in PvP because that'd be absurd but they've rendered a cool strategy obsolete. +1  Is there a single person on TL who thinks that Terran infantry needed a buff? I think its so weird that they got buffed. Not a single tournament showing Terran infantry being weak, no general trend of imba whine on the forums...where did this come from!? T_T | ||
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palefountains
China24 Posts
On May 22 2010 04:02 ZpuX wrote: well 150/150 to 100/100 is not a big difference, but 150/150 to 50/50 is.... OP said "not gonna make any difference", not ME. | ||
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