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Redder
Profile Joined May 2010
Ireland40 Posts
May 21 2010 11:04 GMT
#821
Looking forward to trying it out, that pseudo-bloodlust in conjunction with different units should make for some interesting micro. and I guess Infested Terrans are kind've alright now, I often just have Overseers chillaxing at near full energy, and a few extra little shitty units isn't a bad thing, I guess. Some Overseers are arguably a way to sink some cash if you're macroing poorly or you're maxed, just to corrupt the hell out of your opponent's buildings so he can't reproduce units properly after a battle. It's not like they cost food.

I can have this patch on EU, pl0x?
A wild Pidgey appears!
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6119 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 11:29:48
May 21 2010 11:07 GMT
#822
So how do I find the custom games on Bnet?

There is no custom maps option when joining a game.

nvm: patch 13 isnt released yet
#1 Terran hater
Rantech
Profile Joined April 2010
Chile527 Posts
May 21 2010 11:13 GMT
#823
when is it gonna come out? its not updating yet for me O_O?
Baum
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1010 Posts
May 21 2010 11:15 GMT
#824
On May 21 2010 19:53 Twitchzor wrote:
I think this patch is actually really good. I especially love the changes to the overseer. Finally Z has a harassment unit! Sure one could argue that mutas are a good harassment unit and they are, it's just that it's a MAJOR investment whereas you get some overseers anyway. It really adds a new dimension to Z because overseers were only detectors before.

What i just can't believe is how Blizzard negligated all buffs to the Ultra by nerfing the HP. Think about it - you NEED to have an infestor WITH energy to be able to give the Ultra +25% dmg boost. But then they permanently removed 25% instead.. to a melee unit... yeah..

Sure the 15(+25 to armored) is good but they just don't get the problem. Had they not nerfed the HP well then it would have called the Ultra changes a buff. But now they just buffed a unit and nerfed it to not be useful in the same patch.

Blizzard has obviously tested this a lot and came to the conclusion that the Ultra is now fixed. But in a REAL game where you TRANSITION into units the Ultra are still just not worth it. I'm really sad because had they not removed the HP i would really liked how Z just got a new T3 unit - now we're just back to square one, + overseer harassing ^^.

However i will excitingly watch if Blizzards attempt completely change the most beefed and scary unit from a "tank" to a "300/200 glass cannon" will actually pay out.


If you think about ZvP the Ultra could really be viable if you didn't go for a spire in the first place. If you think about the options for Protoss it's mostly either be very aggressive early on and exploit your map control to get a bunch of expansions and transition to higher tech at this point or tech very fast and try to push your opponent and exploit all your tech while macroing up. So the question is should Zerg just get a Spire in both of these cases or would a ling hydra infestor ultra combination be able to prove to be more powerful.
I want to be with those who share secret things or else alone.
mnck
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1518 Posts
May 21 2010 11:22 GMT
#825
I'm hoping Copper and Bronze will just be merged and skill levels be roughly the same in silver and up. And then making Diamond something to separate low plat with high plat, i feel there is such a massive difference from within one league to justify a new league.

Overseer buff is so awesome
@Munck
Farewelltoarms
Profile Joined May 2010
United States10 Posts
May 21 2010 11:23 GMT
#826
It seems as though many people here are lamenting the WC3'ish spells implemented into the Zerg's arsenal. However, people must realize that these spells are pivotal to the sustainability of micro. Without these spells, the zerg will literally have no micro outside of the occasional fungal growth or neural parasite.

The corrupter's spell, which results in a unit receiving 20 percent more damage, boosts micro tremendously. Is it a clever spell? No. Is it a game changing spell in the hands of a skilled user? Yes. Essentially, in a few years time, the usage of spells like the corrupter's and frenzy will determine who rises to the top of SC 2's pro gaming scene. Take away these spells, and the skill ceiling will be lowered to such a degree that any nub with a month of playing will be able to compete with the best.
Flyingdutchman
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands858 Posts
May 21 2010 11:28 GMT
#827
On May 21 2010 12:58 Zeke50100 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 12:57 iggyfisk wrote:
On May 21 2010 12:56 Zeke50100 wrote:
If I'm doing the math right, you only need 4 Overseers coming in every once in a while (read: Not as dangerous as you think) to completely shut down any one production building. That's 400 gas to screw over a Protoss player. Nice trade off.


probably less than whatever it would cost the protoss to make another building though


But that takes time, which is just perfect for you to run in with your Ultras after you render the Protoss without any Immortals ^_^



seriously, is it so hard to plant 3 stalkers or one or two cannons in your base? And Ultra's? You have to tech to hive to get them first
trucane
Profile Joined January 2009
United States553 Posts
May 21 2010 11:30 GMT
#828
Wait a second they lowered the ultras health? I mean wasn't the forcefields only part of the problem even without forcefields you have to get to the units which is difficult by itself ( especially since they didn't make it any smaller....) and with 450hp I doubt it's ever gonna be possible to get in range to attack even once before it's focused down. Oh well then again I'm a noob so I'm sure i'm wrong
MasterFischer
Profile Joined August 2009
Denmark836 Posts
May 21 2010 11:30 GMT
#829
Complaining about the patch notes before actually going and trying the new balances changes is one if not THE fucking most retarded dumb shit to be doing ever.

Had to put it out there.. BTW:

the changes are AWESOME :D
WHO is this who speaks to me as though I needed his advice?
jstar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada568 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 11:32:49
May 21 2010 11:32 GMT
#830
I'm not sure if this is true, but I really don't like Blizzard's "Catering to the Casuals" mindset in balancing and tweaking games. Not just SC2, but also in WoW and most likely Diablo 3, which makes me sad.
rockon1215
Profile Joined May 2009
United States612 Posts
May 21 2010 11:32 GMT
#831
The patch isn't even released yet. Calm the fuck down people.

Also, adamantium league by game launch. Calling it right now.
Flash v Jaedong The finals that is ALWAYS meant to be
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
May 21 2010 11:35 GMT
#832
You know after sleeping on it, I think that the Stim/Shield upgrades are a good thing. The one base everything build will eventually be figured out or maps will change to allow more macro like SCI so having a slightly faster bio option will not be too bad... if Zerg get buffed...
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Chriamon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States886 Posts
May 21 2010 11:38 GMT
#833
On May 21 2010 20:22 mnck wrote:
I'm hoping Copper and Bronze will just be merged and skill levels be roughly the same in silver and up. And then making Diamond something to separate low plat with high plat, i feel there is such a massive difference from within one league to justify a new league.

Overseer buff is so awesome

I would like this too, but a blue posted that they changed it because bronze and copper are too similar in name, that is, bronze is made out of copper and tin, and they didn't want any confusion...
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/274906/1/Blaze/
VdH
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania78 Posts
May 21 2010 11:38 GMT
#834
On May 21 2010 20:04 WiljushkA wrote:

the only problem with the blizzards patching method that i see is that they listen to the community TOO MUCH. they dont let the game grow and develop cause they patch stuff the moment some noob cries imbalance cause he lost due to his shitty skills and now wants some way to help mend his ego.


Yeah... their motivation for nerfing VRay range sounds like "it was too hard for noob terrans to stop this unit, so we had to screw around with it in order to make the game more fun for everyone." I think blizzard's actually aiming to make terran more beginner-friendly, but they don't have to take things away from other races just for this purpose.



torfteufel
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany86 Posts
May 21 2010 11:38 GMT
#835
On May 21 2010 20:30 MasterFischer wrote:
Complaining about the patch notes before actually going and trying the new balances changes is one if not THE fucking most retarded dumb shit to be doing ever.

Had to put it out there.. BTW:

the changes are AWESOME :D


a bazillion internet dollars you play terran and suck


its probably just that dustin bowder plays terran in his copper division and is sick his marauder rush with skipping marines all together is not working every game yet and hes pissed off :B

"its good to be the king"
"You're not wrong Walter. You're just an asshole!" El Duderino
Baum
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1010 Posts
May 21 2010 11:39 GMT
#836
I agree with the change to the leauge system because the difference between copper to gold are not that huge to justify 4 different leauges while it makes more sense to split higher plat and lower plat into two leauges
I want to be with those who share secret things or else alone.
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
May 21 2010 11:40 GMT
#837
I question their dev team's skill. They should just watch high plat level replays. :-p
[゚n゚] SSSSssssssSSsss ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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SoL[9]
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Portugal1370 Posts
May 21 2010 11:40 GMT
#838
This patch seens great.
When they gonna release in EU servers?
I Can Fly...
MasterFischer
Profile Joined August 2009
Denmark836 Posts
May 21 2010 11:42 GMT
#839
On May 21 2010 20:38 torfteufel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 20:30 MasterFischer wrote:
Complaining about the patch notes before actually going and trying the new balances changes is one if not THE fucking most retarded dumb shit to be doing ever.

Had to put it out there.. BTW:

the changes are AWESOME :D


a bazillion internet dollars you play terran and suck


its probably just that dustin bowder plays terran in his copper division and is sick his marauder rush with skipping marines all together is not working every game yet and hes pissed off :B

"its good to be the king"


I dunno where to begin, so I'll just pass arguing with you. Nevertheless changes require playtime, so complaining about it is worthless.

And yes I play Terran 1600 plat on EU, i dont have a problem with VR now, but the change is still good.
WHO is this who speaks to me as though I needed his advice?
Chriamon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States886 Posts
May 21 2010 11:42 GMT
#840
On May 21 2010 20:40 SoL[9] wrote:
This patch seens great.
When they gonna release in EU servers?

Not even out on US servers yet.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/274906/1/Blaze/
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