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On April 23 2010 12:13 Bibdy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2010 11:17 BillyMole wrote:On April 23 2010 10:59 Bibdy wrote:On April 23 2010 10:37 NicolBolas wrote:On April 23 2010 10:33 Bibdy wrote:On April 23 2010 09:49 junemermaid wrote:On April 23 2010 08:36 Bibdy wrote:
They don't all instantly die the moment you arrive, though. Because they last 9 seconds longer than they need, even if you inflict casualties, they might still bring the thing down before you can stop it.
I'll reserve judgement on OP or not, but looking at the numbers, I'm going to start watching out for this thing. It looks scary.
Edit: Oh and bear in mind it costs the Zerg literally nothing. Drop Infestors, chuck out ITs, fly off. They can just keep coming back with more Infestors and doing it again and again without costing a penny after the initial investment. And Infestors have two other useful abilities. Not like they're going to be totally useless, unless the Protoss enters catastrophic rage-mode and charges the front door right then. Really? Make a cannon. Threat neutralized A Cannon? One? To hold off 16 Infested Terrans? Your math is bad, sir. Bad math or no, using Infested Terrans on workers is a waste of energy. By the time the ITs pop out, the workers will have fled. Better to cast Fungal Growth and drop some Zerglings with your Infestors. FG does lots of damage, nearly killing the workers. More importantly, it holds them still, so your Zerglings can feast on them without problems. Its not the workers I would be worried about. Its the 11 seconds it takes them to kill your Nexus. And before this goes rehashing old points, the ITs will live 9 seconds longer than that. So even if you arrive in record time and inflict casualties, they're still going to do some serious damage to that building, softening it up for the next time you're not paying 100% attention to a quick Overlord drop. Again, not saying its OP (yet), just saying its something to watch out for. I don't know why you're worried about this as much as you are. If the Z has the capability to drop into your base, there are far, far more effective things he can be doing than dropping Infestors and spamming some Infested Terrans on you. Your chief worry seems to be the time. While it's true that 16 ITs will kill a Nexus or CC in 11 seconds, they neither hatch instantly, nor cast instantly. 8 casts from each infestor will eat up 2-3 seconds even with shift-queueing, and the eggs take, what, 3 seconds to hatch? En toto you're talking upwards of 15 seconds, completely ignoring the extra time your enemy will get from seeing your drop coming If you want to complain about center sniping, complain about triple-thor strikes taking out a CC or Nexus in one 250mm cannon cycle. Some Terrans have already been utilizing this strat, and it's fairly effective. And that one literally is 6 seconds plus the cast time on strike cannons, which is another 1-2 seconds. Far less time, and has been in the game for a while now. Hasn't proven to be a problem, so something less effective shouldn't be a problem either. The reason I'm worried is, its the equivalent of 5 Dark Templars, that only costs the Zerg energy once they've made the 450 gas investment in the building and 2 Infestors. Sending 5 DTs in to kill a Nexus/whatever is suicide for those units, normally. Sending in 16 ITs costs nothing. They get to keep the Infestors and use them later. Economically, its a sound plan.
eh, what ever by the time I can have infestors and drop for OL's (loooong research time) I can have 6-8 mutas and do just as much if not more damage to your econ if you don't have turrets....even so my muta harrass will kill 2-3 drones and not lose a muta.
It sounds like to me you are inventing an IMBA to match the fact that zerg (finially) got a buff to infestors....
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banshees in ZvT are just nasty now >_> Queens so slow.
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Anyone else have this problem? When I click B-> F to build a forge it the screen begins to follow my selected probe instead. I have to manually click on the forge icon to get my probe to build it.
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Yay for faster fungal growth XD
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[QUOTE]On April 23 2010 03:26 theqat wrote:
The StarCraft II Editor is now available!
Players will now be able to begin creating trigger maps in preparation for map publishing which will be made available in an upcoming beta patch.
does that mean its not available yet? I cant seem to find it at all where the hell is it can't see it anywhere?
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I just find it hard to believe they did nothing about force field, it should have a HP bar low enough such that forcefielding a ramp isn't possible to do indefinitely, but also high enough to be useful in actual engagements.
Nothing more frustrating than losing cause your units inside your base are trapped.
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On April 23 2010 08:37 StriverzG wrote:![[image loading]](http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/5369/screenshot025n.jpg) woot
That is pretty cool, harder to see too.
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On April 23 2010 13:40 dthree wrote:
I just find it hard to believe they did nothing about force field, it should have a HP bar low enough such that forcefielding a ramp isn't possible to do indefinitely, but also high enough to be useful in actual engagements.
Nothing more frustrating than losing cause your units inside your base are trapped.
I thought there was a delay added before they come online now
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doesn't fucking matter anymore I'm done blizzard fucking doesn't care that zerg is HORRIBLY broken....fuck it
No realistic counter for early game air, nerf the roach until fucking hell what's the point a barely armored unit that hits hard but still takes the + to armored damage? Hell a fucking zergling (even though it's DPS is total shit right now) is as good if not better than a roach if you plop down for the + carapace....
ROACHES CAN'T EVEN FUCKING COUNTER ZERGLINGS.....
arguably the weakest unit in the game and roaches can't even counter zerglings, not to mention both races have not one but TWO counters to the roach....fuck just take the bitch out of the fucking game increase ling damage and leave hydra at fucking T2
Hell while we are at it, three races is OP remove two buff the third and we'll have a fair and balanced game then...
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On April 23 2010 15:02 innoby wrote:
doesn't fucking matter anymore I'm done blizzard fucking doesn't care that zerg is HORRIBLY broken....fuck it
No realistic counter for early game air, nerf the roach until fucking hell what's the point a barely armored unit that hits hard but still takes the + to armored damage? Hell a fucking zergling (even though it's DPS is total shit right now) is as good if not better than a roach if you plop down for the + carapace....
ROACHES CAN'T EVEN FUCKING COUNTER ZERGLINGS.....
arguably the weakest unit in the game and roaches can't even counter zerglings, not to mention both races have not one but TWO counters to the roach....fuck just take the bitch out of the fucking game increase ling damage and leave hydra at fucking T2
Hell while we are at it, three races is OP remove two buff the third and we'll have a fair and balanced game then...
Hahaha.... I don't even know what to say to this... This is exactly what you would find on a Blizzard World of Warcraft class forum
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On April 23 2010 13:04 TheElitists wrote:
banshees in ZvT are just nasty now >_> Queens so slow.
Same speed on creep
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On April 23 2010 15:02 innoby wrote:
doesn't fucking matter anymore I'm done blizzard fucking doesn't care that zerg is HORRIBLY broken....fuck it
No realistic counter for early game air, nerf the roach until fucking hell what's the point a barely armored unit that hits hard but still takes the + to armored damage? Hell a fucking zergling (even though it's DPS is total shit right now) is as good if not better than a roach if you plop down for the + carapace....
ROACHES CAN'T EVEN FUCKING COUNTER ZERGLINGS.....
arguably the weakest unit in the game and roaches can't even counter zerglings, not to mention both races have not one but TWO counters to the roach....fuck just take the bitch out of the fucking game increase ling damage and leave hydra at fucking T2
Hell while we are at it, three races is OP remove two buff the third and we'll have a fair and balanced game then...
Immortal's can't even counter zerglings brah whats your point with the zergling reference?
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On April 23 2010 15:02 innoby wrote:
doesn't fucking matter anymore I'm done blizzard fucking doesn't care that zerg is HORRIBLY broken....fuck it
No realistic counter for early game air, nerf the roach until fucking hell what's the point a barely armored unit that hits hard but still takes the + to armored damage? Hell a fucking zergling (even though it's DPS is total shit right now) is as good if not better than a roach if you plop down for the + carapace....
ROACHES CAN'T EVEN FUCKING COUNTER ZERGLINGS.....
arguably the weakest unit in the game and roaches can't even counter zerglings, not to mention both races have not one but TWO counters to the roach....fuck just take the bitch out of the fucking game increase ling damage and leave hydra at fucking T2
Hell while we are at it, three races is OP remove two buff the third and we'll have a fair and balanced game then...
lol idiot. Actually the zerg nerfing is not even close to being done. As players get better and start abusing the queen larva mechanic to it's fullest potential, only then will the real nerfing begin. The koreans are already getting there, it's just a matter of time until blizzard takes action.
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ROACHES, with their straight HIGH damage are supposed to counter light units, like Zealots, like Zerglings Like, marines....and to make up for this "benefit" supposedly the other races were given + armor damage units like the marauder and the Stalker (yes the stalker is considered a tier for tier counter to the roach) and in turn it should in THEORY be a unit composition battle for the first one and a half tiers....
With zerg having a slight advantage with the roach. Then everyone and their brother screamed "THE ROACH IS OP NERF IT" and blizzard said "fuck the zerg" and nerfed it's regen rate, the zerg were fine with this they made up for it by using baneling/roach/ling for the first tier and a half, then people cried "THE ROACH IS OP NERF IT" and blizzard did, reducing the armor of an "armored unit" to 1 which means marines now do 7 damage to it (14 to the roaches 16 when taken in attack time) and well marauders can rape a 2 roaches toe to toe. And because a tier 2 sneak attack roach maneuver, usually aimed at minerals was OP'd so blizzard went and nerfed the roach move speed when burrowed...never mind the simple fact that this is a GAMBLE and a 350/350 ability the single most expensive ability in the game....so now you can't even roll in and hit the mins then roll out before a detector can be MADE.
Again people screamed "ZERG IS OP NERF THEM" not really even having any specifics, so blizzard did, and nerfed the queen's movement speed to the point that if Zerg FE'd AND build 2 queens to defend against the MAYBE POSSIBLE AIR RUSH they couldn't guard their natural with 300 mins worth of units that die REALLY FUCKING FAST to 100 mins worth of units.
Yeah this game is over for the zerg, Every work around a zerg comes up with is nerfed into oblivion, so fuck it, it's over for the zerg player. GG Toss and Terran, but ESP the Terran, you won. Zerg is out of the running. Never mind that it took A FUCKING DECADE FOR ONE ZERG PLAYER TO DOMINATE BW. Never mind that he has to play a PERFECT GAME AGAINST TERRAN. Jaedong was the messiah for the zerg, now our era is over. He was too good, and blizzard had to nerf the entire goddamn race to prevent him from winning ever again.
GG I'm done with SC2, it's over I refuse to play terran and thus this game is no fun for me.
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I'm sure we would all be thrilled for you to actually be done with SC2 and leave. You're clearly an idiot.
This kid needs to get banned or something.
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So when will the patch hit the EU server . I can still play on the old version .
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sc2 sure brought some nice guys here.very entertaining!
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On April 23 2010 15:55 raga4ka wrote:
So when will the patch hit the EU server . I can still play on the old version .
read the login popup. 7pm
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On April 23 2010 15:02 innoby wrote:
doesn't fucking matter anymore I'm done blizzard fucking doesn't care that zerg is HORRIBLY broken....fuck it
No realistic counter for early game air, nerf the roach until fucking hell what's the point a barely armored unit that hits hard but still takes the + to armored damage? Hell a fucking zergling (even though it's DPS is total shit right now) is as good if not better than a roach if you plop down for the + carapace....
ROACHES CAN'T EVEN FUCKING COUNTER ZERGLINGS.....
arguably the weakest unit in the game and roaches can't even counter zerglings, not to mention both races have not one but TWO counters to the roach....fuck just take the bitch out of the fucking game increase ling damage and leave hydra at fucking T2
Hell while we are at it, three races is OP remove two buff the third and we'll have a fair and balanced game then...
just gtfo
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