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Wintermute
Profile Joined March 2010
United States427 Posts
April 22 2010 19:59 GMT
#541
On April 23 2010 04:57 OrtegaPeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2010 04:55 Wintermute wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:54 OrtegaPeru wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:49 celious wrote:
now how about them chat rooms, WHERE ARE THEY?


I hope they don't put in chat rooms. I don't want thousands of people logged on and not playing.


It's better if they're not logged on at all?


If they aren't going to play, then yeah


Why? How does it hurt you to have people online and having fun?
Don't let me say this, but you're no worse than me; it's crazy.
Tom Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1114 Posts
April 22 2010 19:59 GMT
#542
On April 23 2010 04:30 Garrl wrote:
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On April 23 2010 04:29 Dingo_egret wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:23 lololol wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:14 Dingo_egret wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:06 Mohdoo wrote:
I think that Blizzard is smart for not focusing much on balance this patch. Balance takes time to sort out. Sometimes imbalances come and go just from people playing more and figuring stuff out. These Bnet changes are really good. I'd expect a balance patch maybe 2 weeks from now or so.

Definetly this. How many years was it before P players figured out how to be even against Z in BW? Everyone and their mother thought the matchup was a bit imbalanced in Z's favor when I joined TL in 2005, and when I came back for Sc2 suddenly no one's complaining anymore, with no balance changes in between.

People have to stop assuming they've figured the whole game out, especially with how young it is; even the best players around (which honestly complain MUCH less than most random people) can't really be counted on to make massive changes, simply because their play isn't developed enough at this stage. Maybe some could argue about marauder/roach/immortal being 'boring' and whatnot, but I just think maybe some new strategies that don't revolve around them still need to pop up.


Actually there were balance changes in professional BW that helped protoss vs zerg - the maps.

Ok, I can understand that. What's to say SC2 balance can't be helped by maps either, then...?


Because the map pool is being made by Blizzard, who aren't the most well known for balanced maps, especially seeing SC1's Blizzard map pool against the current metagame.


The same could be said of all the early KeSPA maps as well. The fact is, no matter how good they are, Blizzard could not have known how the game was going to develop 10 years down the line. So it is kind of unreasonable to compare the stock SC maps to modern balance.

Plus, SC2 maps are preety much proof of the fact that the 10 years of mapmaking developments have helped a lot. While the beta mappool is not perfect, all of the maps are preety much leaps and bounds ahead of anything they created for the original SC.
You and your "5 years of competitive RTS experience" can take a hike. - FrozenArbiter
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
April 22 2010 19:59 GMT
#543
On April 23 2010 03:29 kNyTTyM wrote:
lol spawn larva hotkey changed? That's going to annoy some zergs

edit: O shit a 9 range infinite duration neural parasite? That's totally awesome


It will be fun owning the other races with their own units :D
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
April 22 2010 20:00 GMT
#544
If I knew they were going to change hotkeys, I wish they could have changed the overlord drop hotkey because I keep accidentally upgrading it when my hatcheries have no larvae and I am spamming v for overlord...
Clearout
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway1060 Posts
April 22 2010 20:00 GMT
#545
On April 23 2010 04:55 virusak wrote:
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On April 23 2010 04:53 Clearout wrote:
EU is down, gief patch soon *drools*

well I am online, and other 6000 people too...


Hmm well it was down atleast. Login didnt work, just tried it when i posted. But i can get in now though..
really?
wolfe
Profile Joined March 2010
United States761 Posts
April 22 2010 20:00 GMT
#546
On April 23 2010 04:45 TheElitists wrote:
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On April 23 2010 04:44 DarkOne wrote:
Protoss air

Zerg melee

Terran mech

give Zerg an air unit that melees! :D



like the scourage? I'll pass haha
Swift as the wind, felt before noticed.
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-22 20:00:59
April 22 2010 20:00 GMT
#547
you can't even begin to estimate how many people aren't playing from the numbers blizzard gives you at login. So many of those games are four players (or more, thanks to observer slots)--almost any combination of xxxxx users online in yyyy games could result in 100% in games
Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1975 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-22 20:01:09
April 22 2010 20:00 GMT
#548
On April 23 2010 04:59 asdfTT123 wrote:
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On April 23 2010 04:56 virusak wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:55 asdfTT123 wrote:
Looks like I will be going 4-gate zealot/sentry or DT's in EVERY PvT.

why would you think that, you know how long it takes to get to DTs? and when whem cheaper how hard it is to make them worth the effort???


Obviously you have no idea how good DT's are against T...especially since every PvT pre-patch 9 has been concentrated on robo heavy units.

Fast DT into expo is a very viable tactic that will either catch the T with his pants down or give you a huge window of safety for you to tech and expand.


And then some Terran scouts it,, builds 2 turrets and walls off at his nat. g g.

DTs are too expensive to get if you don't KNOW they'll do a ton of damage.
OrtegaPeru
Profile Joined April 2010
79 Posts
April 22 2010 20:01 GMT
#549
On April 23 2010 04:57 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2010 04:55 OrtegaPeru wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:54 FrozenArbiter wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:54 OrtegaPeru wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:49 celious wrote:
now how about them chat rooms, WHERE ARE THEY?


I hope they don't put in chat rooms. I don't want thousands of people logged on and not playing.

There are already thousands of people logged in and not playing...


Yeah and with chat rooms it would be even worse

I'm pretty sure blizzard want people to say "always connected".


Forums are for saying stuff. Battle.net should be for battling (and possibly netting?)
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-22 20:03:33
April 22 2010 20:02 GMT
#550
On April 23 2010 04:59 asdfTT123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2010 04:56 virusak wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:55 asdfTT123 wrote:
Looks like I will be going 4-gate zealot/sentry or DT's in EVERY PvT.

why would you think that, you know how long it takes to get to DTs? and when whem cheaper how hard it is to make them worth the effort???


Obviously you have no idea how good DT's are against T...especially since every PvT pre-patch 9 has been concentrated on robo heavy units.

Fast DT into expo is a very viable tactic that will either catch the T with his pants down or give you a huge window of safety for you to tech and expand.

Fast DTs are a lot better now that fast ghost is less prevalent. When fast ghost was almost standard, I think DTs truly sucked ;o
On April 23 2010 05:01 OrtegaPeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2010 04:57 FrozenArbiter wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:55 OrtegaPeru wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:54 FrozenArbiter wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:54 OrtegaPeru wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:49 celious wrote:
now how about them chat rooms, WHERE ARE THEY?


I hope they don't put in chat rooms. I don't want thousands of people logged on and not playing.

There are already thousands of people logged in and not playing...


Yeah and with chat rooms it would be even worse

I'm pretty sure blizzard want people to say "always connected".


Forums are for saying stuff. Battle.net should be for battling (and possibly netting?)

So you are just trolling ?
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Crissaegrim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
2947 Posts
April 22 2010 20:02 GMT
#551
On April 23 2010 04:42 ComradeDover wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2010 04:38 Crissaegrim wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:32 ComradeDover wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:28 Crissaegrim wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:23 ComradeDover wrote:

It's less about your feedback and more about having some mice to run through the maze they made. Unless you really think your complain posts matter that much to blizzard. If they did, you'd see lurkers back in the game, roaches and marauders would be nerfed into oblivion, forcefield would have an HP bar, and infestors would cast Dark Swarm instead of infested terran.

Ask yourself if the your "feedback" is really all that valued. Then go back to running the maze, you mouse.


Well, then, I hope you're not posting any feedback because according to you, it's pointless. And no, I'm not naive just saying that having a voice to be heard is still vital to the improvement of the game.


Only feedback I've posted is "Thanks Blizzard. Keep up the good work! :D", because even Blizzard could use some encouragement.

And it really depends on what your voice is saying. If your voice is saying "Turn StarCraft 2 into StarCraft 1.1!", then no, your voice isn't vital to be heard. If your voice is saying "WAHH WAHH ROACHES MARAUDERS IMMORTALS WAHH WAHH", then your voice is equally useless to the improvement of the game.


Did I say that? All I said was that I disagreed with you saying that Blizzard knows better than we do.


You're still equally wrong. They're a successful game developer who's acknowleged to be the one of the industry leaders. They have an army of playtesters and statisticians and designers and the collective sum of the data gathered throughout the beta period. And you're an silver-ranked beta-investigation hero with a keyboard. Trust me, they know better than you.


Lol, I like the way you make groundless allegations against me. Trust you? Heck, I don' even know you. Anyway, back on topic, i agree that they do have an "army" of playtesters etc but the point is, blizzard may know ALOT more, but they might not know better. Consider the fact that they are: 1. A company bend on making sure the profit margins are nice and good and 2. The main people that call the shots are not necessarily players that play the game inside out. That's what the playtesters are for and us as well actually. But as head honcho they can overrule what their input is and do what they want.

Think the Pointy Haired Boss from Dilbert. To further elaborate, Dilbert is a highly qualified engineer, but yet, his Boss, who is lets face it, stupid, constantly overrules him.

I'm not saying that we should design the game. Or that its our game to create. I suppose I define "better" as having a well-balanced, exciting game, that allows for ingenious gameplay, and well rewarded micro, macro and strategy. If you define "better" as raking in the cash as in WoW type then yes, I agree Blizzard knows best.
FreshVegetables
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Finland513 Posts
April 22 2010 20:02 GMT
#552
On April 23 2010 05:01 OrtegaPeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2010 04:57 FrozenArbiter wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:55 OrtegaPeru wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:54 FrozenArbiter wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:54 OrtegaPeru wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:49 celious wrote:
now how about them chat rooms, WHERE ARE THEY?


I hope they don't put in chat rooms. I don't want thousands of people logged on and not playing.

There are already thousands of people logged in and not playing...


Yeah and with chat rooms it would be even worse

I'm pretty sure blizzard want people to say "always connected".


Forums are for saying stuff. Battle.net should be for battling (and possibly netting?)


Wow you're really ignorant, no offense.
yummy tomatoes
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
April 22 2010 20:02 GMT
#553
I think the patch is ok. I dont think the marauder/immortal changes were really nessisary, other things in the matchup needed to be looked at.. but it'll solve the Terran crybaby's whining for maybe another 2 days hopefully, til they find something else to complain about (I personally just switched to terran last week, and I find it comical we get this change, oh well easier for me I guess)

Neutral parasite was needed range upgrade, that will really help them. Also the fungal growth buff, that will make Infesters almost in everygame now, not sure if I enjoy that cause they are deadly, but lets see how it plays out.
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
April 22 2010 20:02 GMT
#554
On April 23 2010 05:00 Saracen wrote:
If I knew they were going to change hotkeys, I wish they could have changed the overlord drop hotkey because I keep accidentally upgrading it when my hatcheries have no larvae and I am spamming v for overlord...


Yeah, that's pretty annoying.
I'll call Nada.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10014 Posts
April 22 2010 20:02 GMT
#555
On April 23 2010 04:53 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2010 04:51 iamtt1 wrote:
i was personally hoping for a small stalker health buff and some sort of nerf on emp, the immortal time buff doesnt bother me too much because ive always thought that its strenght to build time ratio wasnt even equivalent in the first place, that being said a 40 to 50 build time increase would have been more logical, right now thors(60 secs right?) and immortals have almost the same build time.. doesnt make sense

You want to nerf emp more......?

Being able to spawn 75 mana high templars isnt' good enough?


wat i ment was in a early game context tho, marine marauder ghost/emp rushs are too cost efficient
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Dingo_egret
Profile Joined June 2005
Brazil97 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-22 20:03:00
April 22 2010 20:02 GMT
#556
On April 23 2010 04:57 TheYango wrote:
Wow, some of the raging in this thread is retarded.

1) Map changes - So they took out your favorite ones and left the crappy ones in. Did it occur to you that they took out the ones that you liked because they're basically finished? This is beta, they're going to fix the maps that people hate, not the ones that people already like.

2) Hotkey changes - You can change them yourself. Anyone whining about this is being lazy.

3) Balance issues - This is hilarious. Liquid'Drone writes an article about how none of us are in any position to have the perspective necessary to evaluate balance. Everyone in the comments agrees with him. Two days later, we have a new patch, and everyone is nerdraging over minute changes without having even played the patch yet.

4) Zerg staleness/Unholy trifecta - Blizzard obviously acknowledges these are problems. But really? Beta has only been going on for 2 months, and these problems only really came into the spotlight last month. As a project, completely revamping Zerg could take up to 6 months to design/implement/in-house test. Do you really expect Blizzard to put off patching the current Beta builds until there's a better version of the Zerg race?

Agree oh so much, especially #3.
"I should wake up from nightmares all sweaty and go like 'OH GOD HE'S BUILDING CANNONS UNDER MY BED'" - Day[9]
thOr6136
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Slovenia1775 Posts
April 22 2010 20:02 GMT
#557
On April 23 2010 05:00 Garrl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2010 04:59 asdfTT123 wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:56 virusak wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:55 asdfTT123 wrote:
Looks like I will be going 4-gate zealot/sentry or DT's in EVERY PvT.

why would you think that, you know how long it takes to get to DTs? and when whem cheaper how hard it is to make them worth the effort???


Obviously you have no idea how good DT's are against T...especially since every PvT pre-patch 9 has been concentrated on robo heavy units.

Fast DT into expo is a very viable tactic that will either catch the T with his pants down or give you a huge window of safety for you to tech and expand.


And then some Terran scouts it,, builds 2 turrets and walls off at his nat. g g.

DTs are too expensive to get if you don't KNOW they'll do a ton of damage.


nope dts are rally good vs terran, watch some white ra games vs tlo from today's showmatch and you will understand
Clearout
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway1060 Posts
April 22 2010 20:02 GMT
#558
On April 23 2010 05:00 Garrl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2010 04:59 asdfTT123 wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:56 virusak wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:55 asdfTT123 wrote:
Looks like I will be going 4-gate zealot/sentry or DT's in EVERY PvT.

why would you think that, you know how long it takes to get to DTs? and when whem cheaper how hard it is to make them worth the effort???


Obviously you have no idea how good DT's are against T...especially since every PvT pre-patch 9 has been concentrated on robo heavy units.

Fast DT into expo is a very viable tactic that will either catch the T with his pants down or give you a huge window of safety for you to tech and expand.


And then some Terran scouts it,, builds 2 turrets and walls off at his nat. g g.

DTs are too expensive to get if you don't KNOW they'll do a ton of damage.


warp prism in his main and warp in some dts there then ^_^ chances are youll take down the 1 turret by his main CC and get some harass done. That way youll force him to scan, which almost makes them worth it just for that
really?
Toaster4k
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada18 Posts
April 22 2010 20:03 GMT
#559
PvT late game is silghtly in favor of Toss. The problem is getting there.
I keep losing to fast proxy reapers into mass marauders.
Rawr
Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1975 Posts
April 22 2010 20:03 GMT
#560
On April 23 2010 05:01 OrtegaPeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2010 04:57 FrozenArbiter wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:55 OrtegaPeru wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:54 FrozenArbiter wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:54 OrtegaPeru wrote:
On April 23 2010 04:49 celious wrote:
now how about them chat rooms, WHERE ARE THEY?


I hope they don't put in chat rooms. I don't want thousands of people logged on and not playing.

There are already thousands of people logged in and not playing...


Yeah and with chat rooms it would be even worse

I'm pretty sure blizzard want people to say "always connected".


Forums are for saying stuff. Battle.net should be for battling (and possibly netting?)


According to Blizzard, Battle.Net should also be Facebook.Net.
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