I gotta say I almost like these changes. Almost, because this is another patch changing early game, encouraging to play aggressively or all-ins.
I would rather love seeing late game changes, especially for Terran.

Garmer

1286 Posts

January 18 2013 08:40 GMT

#263

high supply units make this game like warcraft

drkcid

Spain196 Posts

January 18 2013 08:42 GMT

#264

On January 18 2013 17:35 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:
The burrow change means 6pool + burrow will kill any Terran or Protoss FAST.

I doubt it, burrow needs to be researched (if im not mistaken). Its hard to get min and gas to research burrow with a 6 pool.

InVerno

258 Posts

January 18 2013 08:48 GMT

#265

Oracle is not a detector, people (especially zerg advocates) seems to not understand this, oracle got an abilty for detection, are two very different things. Oracle pops out with 50 mana, if you want to afford a ground push you need at least 100, 50 for a safe travel, and 50 for the engage, this means you build an oracle and you have to wait 100seconds idle with your oracle before anything, pretty dumb. Atm Robo is the only way to get a decent mobile detection, stop saying bullshits like "hey man you got an observer from the stargate ohoho"

RodrigoX

United States645 Posts

January 18 2013 09:04 GMT

#266

So aggression against zerg just got smashed with burrow. I do a 4gate sentry pressure build against Zerg that is pretty non comital and Z can handle easily if they scout. Now something that allowed for aggression gets shut down because of a fucking hatchery tech upgrade.

BerthaG

France74 Posts

January 18 2013 09:07 GMT

#267

Burrow : let's see new timing could be interesting, maybe Z will not just defand until brood and infest.
Void: so stupid.... If you want micro just decrease damage without prismatic. Remove timer ^^.
Terran : I don't care, feel like reaper is just like a speed ling, for scout and low arrassing if not numerous.
Why not.
Will the game be ready for 12 march 2013? for sure not

CYFAWS

Sweden275 Posts

January 18 2013 09:13 GMT

#268

i don't like the feel of the new reaper but since the old one's only merit was lowlevel dicking around i guess it makes sense

PVJ

Hungary5214 Posts

January 18 2013 09:32 GMT

#269

I can only imagine how this went

Blizzard asks for feedback from highest level pro #892634

BLIZZ: So, what do you think about the Void Ray?
RANDOM PRO: It's hard to fight against it with it's extended range mechanic...
BLIZZ: So you mean you can't see when the ability is used, right?
RANDOM PRO: No, it's just.. the range..
BLIZZ: So if we put an ugly timer there, you would micro, right? Micro more, right?
RANDOM PRO: It's not... that's not the problem..it's strong ag-...
BLIZZ: Oh, so you also want us to increase it's supply cost, right? It's gonna be better, right?
RANDOM PRO: If you would just get rid of the extend..
BLIZZ: We got it, we got it. If there would be a timer you would micro, right? Micro against it, right? At the highest level, right? Micro more, right? Right? MORE MICRO? WOULD YOU? YEAH? RIGHT? SUPPLY INCREASE AND TIMER, RIGHT? YOU SAID IT, RIGHT? NOW GO AND MICRO, AND THE HIGHEST LEVEL RIGHT RIGHT WE HELPED RIGHT AMAZIN MICRO RIGHT
RANDOM PRO: [User has disconnected.]

Discarder

Philippines411 Posts

January 18 2013 10:04 GMT

#270

The burrow change is cool! roach aggro vs terran!

Discarder

Philippines411 Posts

January 18 2013 10:07 GMT

#271

On January 18 2013 17:35 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:
The burrow change means 6pool + burrow will kill any Terran or Protoss FAST.

lol what kind of build order are you saying?

Discarder

Philippines411 Posts

January 18 2013 10:12 GMT

#272

On January 18 2013 07:37 TeeTS wrote:
burrow in hatch tech, wtf? Do they even know their own game a little bit?
burrowed banelings in hatchery tech sounds like a fucking joke. But it seems it's still just Blizzard (un)balancing the game.

won't you be happy to see gimmicky styles against mass marines?

EpicShroom

Netherlands81 Posts

January 18 2013 10:15 GMT

#273

reaper was designed high mobility with little utility... don't add health.. add something else..

Void ray to 4 supply... meh.. in 1v1's mass void will not work anyway in high leagues.

burrow to hatch? F ing stupid.

Finnz

United Kingdom260 Posts

January 18 2013 10:18 GMT

#274

is this seriously all they could think of doing in this patch? seems very lazy to me. Reapers should just be removed from the game in my opinion, its an impossible unit to balance.

Telenil

France484 Posts

January 18 2013 10:18 GMT

#275

On January 18 2013 17:35 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:
The burrow change means 6pool + burrow will kill any Terran or Protoss FAST.

Good luck for spending 100M/100G when you 6 pool :p The research lasts 100 seconds too.

I'm a little worried about the roach regeneration when burrowed, but I suppose they can just nerf the pre-upgrade number if that's necessary.

Discarder

Philippines411 Posts

January 18 2013 10:19 GMT

#276

On January 18 2013 08:18 MilesTeg wrote:

Show nested quote +

I don't understand how burrow is relevant to the sentry immortal all-in?

Very interesting question! Banelings mines! roaches can be under the sentries! Ambush tactics!
Toss will need to bring an observer to nullify the tactic., delaying immortals and the push more.

MrJoKer

France232 Posts

January 18 2013 10:34 GMT

#277

Burrow change will be very cool to see. The early game in TvZ will be a more agressive.

Skiblet

South Africa206 Posts

January 18 2013 10:51 GMT

#278

Anyone else supremely worried about ZvP. I mean, Toss goes FFE, or anything that involves a slightly delayed robo and all zerg has to do is make 7 roaches with burrow. Snipe cannon then every 10 seconds roaches have full HP again. Maybe I''m not sure of the timings yet but thats the first problem that came to mind. Otherwise good changes!

-Archangel-

Croatia7457 Posts

January 18 2013 10:54 GMT

#279

On January 18 2013 17:48 InVerno wrote:
Oracle is not a detector, people (especially zerg advocates) seems to not understand this, oracle got an abilty for detection, are two very different things. Oracle pops out with 50 mana, if you want to afford a ground push you need at least 100, 50 for a safe travel, and 50 for the engage, this means you build an oracle and you have to wait 100seconds idle with your oracle before anything, pretty dumb. Atm Robo is the only way to get a decent mobile detection, stop saying bullshits like "hey man you got an observer from the stargate ohoho"

This is just whining now. Terrans had to work like this forever. Would you rather it was back to WoL and only observers and Cannons were detectors?

Skiblet

South Africa206 Posts

January 18 2013 10:57 GMT

#280

Oh yeah and I hope to god this timer on the void ray is some kind of joke. For example:
Imagine every time a zergling was morphing there was a timer on top of it saying how long there was left till it turned into a baneling.
Imagine every time siege tanks started to siege/unsiege there was a timer counting that.
Imagine every time EVERY TIME ANY ABILITY WAS USED THERE WAS A TIMER SHOWING HOW LONG IT TOOK FOR SAID ABILITY TO WEAR OFF/TAKE EFFECT. ITS bad enough as it is with worker counters on top of our buildings, but this, if this stays in the game I will be sorely disappointed in Blizzard.
They are trying to make the game more casual and such but this is just ridiculous. Work on custom maps/features rather than hurting the competitiveness and skill cap of the ACTUAL game. Eg. Casual People play LoL for things like ARAM and hardly ever play ranked. Please just thinked about it Blizzard....