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Exarl25
1887 Posts
On December 19 2012 10:08 Havik_ wrote: Did they say WHY they're nerfing Blink and buffing Fungal? Is Protoss OP in HoTS? I don't have the beta. The Blink nerf is because there are some seriously powerful all-ins with Blink Staker + Mothership Core. In WoL you would need an Observer for high ground vision which delays and weakens the push. Sensible change. | ||
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Jaegeru
United Kingdom676 Posts
On December 19 2012 10:08 Havik_ wrote: Did they say WHY they're nerfing Blink and buffing Fungal? Is Protoss OP in HoTS? I don't have the beta. Blink all-ins were too good vs Terran, due to not needing a robo and having a mothership core for vision so it hits alot faster than in WoL. So Protoss could outright kill a terran that opened 1Rax FE or any other relatively safe build. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12033 Posts
On December 19 2012 06:20 BeyondCtrL wrote: Range 10 is just stupid. And a warm welcome back for mass Infestor play... If you're at range 10, you're missile will take longer to hit meaning you can still move away. | ||
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summerloud
Austria1201 Posts
if thinks keep going at the rate of patch 9 and 10 instead of massive improvements like patch 8 i see massive QQ incoming at release of course its a beta and they can try stuff but there are far more pressing issues still to be settled so its kinda disappointing to see the patches turning into number-fiddling again and the mod edit in the OP is just completely inaccepitable. i reported on the OP and i think more people should. the last thing TL needs is mods abusing power to push their opinions | ||
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vNmMasterT
68 Posts
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On December 19 2012 09:39 avilo wrote: So, what does Terran have to look forward to now in this expansion? The only buffs Terran ever got were just nerfed. The only new unit Terran got (widow mine) now made complete trash. Mech TvP no where near any good. Raven seeker missile made worse in one patch by taking away splash, making it a shitty yamato cannon, and not listening that the main problem with the raven was accessibility not what the abilities did. Bring back the warhound please. edit: and i just watched a video of the new fungal projectile. They buffed fungal...LOL. It is fast enough to be nigh undodgable, and now has +1 range from the WOL fungal lol. You have got to be kidding me. It's just all blowing my mind so hard, I can't believe it. Blizzard is totally fine with the infestor being the counter to EVERYTHING. When ghosts counter zerg units, it's time for a big nerf (making snipe a pure joke). What do infestors get? A buff. I don't see a single reason to refuse to give ravens more starting energy and to give them a SICK huge range. No, what blizzard does is take away the splash damage. The widow mine is just insanely bad. In BW we had mines coming out of a unit, and those mines could do GAME CHANGING damage. Now we got a 2 supply mine that we have to build out of our factory, and that can't even kill a stalker. How many days did the +1 +1 on armory for both mech and air stay? 2 days? 3 days? It's so sad to be a terran these days  ... | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
On December 19 2012 10:12 Qikz wrote: If you're at range 10, you're missile will take longer to hit meaning you can still move away. not when the speed was increased by 50% | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12033 Posts
On December 19 2012 10:15 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: not when the speed was increased by 50% I just saw the twitch video, nevermind what I said before. It just means units already moving can get away. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 19 2012 10:12 summerloud wrote: and the mod edit in the OP is just completely inaccepitable. i reported on the OP and i think more people should. the last thing TL needs is mods abusing power to push their opinions You do realize that when you report the Mod's edit, you are reporting it to....the Mods. Also, rule one of the TL.net Ten Commandments. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
On December 19 2012 10:11 Jaegeru wrote: Blink all-ins were too good vs Terran, due to not needing a robo and having a mothership core for vision so it hits alot faster than in WoL. So Protoss could outright kill a terran that opened 1Rax FE or any other relatively safe build. Especially against mech openers, it really limited what you could open with =/ and also it restricted the kinds of maps you could have (like shak and antiga were really strong for blink all ins) | ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
On December 19 2012 10:00 one-one-one wrote: I agree. The solution is probably with destructible rocks somewhere. On a serious note I still can't wrap my head around the fact that they are spending time tweaking fungal over trying to improve TvP mech. Especially when the whole community hates fungal with passion and most terrans and protosses wants changes to the very stale TvP matchup. And then terran only got a transformed hellion and a "mine" for Hots. Buffing fungal should be the lowest thing on their list of priorities. This. I am upper dissapointed in Blizzard. Nobody cares if the infestor is underpowered, and hoenstly do we even know whether its UP or just not figured out yet? I mean it probably takes a bit of practice to learn how to use the new fungal optimally, so why not just give it time? And instead focus on making mech viable. I hoenstly don't know what they are waiting for, and its not like that they have a lot of time left. Any change to make mech will cause a chain reaction and therefore we will most likely need quite a few patches before mech becomes viable and balanced. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 19 2012 10:19 Zelniq wrote: The complaints are reasonable, I've removed the edits. It was a mistake. I felt the quote of DK was was a perfectly reasonable addition, as it is a further explanation to their reasoning. The other stuff, maybe no so much, but the community can get riled up over big numbers that they don't understand and have not tested. | ||
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BeyondCtrL
Sweden642 Posts
On December 19 2012 10:12 Qikz wrote: If you're at range 10, you're missile will take longer to hit meaning you can still move away. A projectile moving at 10 speed over a range of 8 takes longer than a projectile with 15 speed over 10 range. So the time it takes for the Fungal to hit at max range 10 is now actually faster than the old 8 range 10 speed. So no, it doesn't take longer to hit. If they didn't change the speed then yes, but clearly it's a lot faster now. | ||
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SolidMoose
United States1240 Posts
On December 19 2012 10:21 Plansix wrote: I felt the quote of DK was was a perfectly reasonable addition, as it is a further explanation to their reasoning. The other stuff, maybe no so much, but the community can get riled up over big numbers that they don't understand and have not tested. It could be there, but I mean, what he said is just flat out wrong. The video posted earlier clearly shows that the projectile speed is incredibly fast and the range now allows fungal through fog. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On December 19 2012 10:14 Snowbear wrote: It's just all blowing my mind so hard, I can't believe it. Blizzard is totally fine with the infestor being the counter to EVERYTHING. When ghosts counter zerg units, it's time for a big nerf (making snipe a pure joke). What do infestors get? A buff. I don't see a single reason to refuse to give ravens more starting energy and to give them a SICK huge range. No, what blizzard does is take away the splash damage. The widow mine is just insanely bad. In BW we had mines coming out of a unit, and those mines could do GAME CHANGING damage. Now we got a 2 supply mine that we have to build out of our factory, and that can't even kill a stalker. How many days did the +1 +1 on armory for both mech and air stay? 2 days? 3 days? It's so sad to be a terran these days ...It's interesting you brought that up. After only a few days of testing the armory change was immediately reverted. So much for "wait and see," right? Yes, it is quite depressing. | ||
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BeyondCtrL
Sweden642 Posts
On December 19 2012 10:27 avilo wrote: It's interesting you brought that up. After only a few days of testing the armory change was immediately reverted. So much for "wait and see," right? Yes, it is quite depressing. Happy b.day, avilo  | ||
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archonOOid
1983 Posts
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
We were just getting into the swing of seeing how zerg can do with their other units and the Viper in particular, and before we have time to play around and see where things go, they make fungal just as good if not better than it was in WoL with ridiculous range and an absurd speed. It's practically instant, nobody will dodge that now. WTF blizzard? Why did you nerf it in the first place if you weren't going to give the beta some time to develop? I can't see Protoss or Terran dealing with that. You need to come up with another answer to ZvZ mutalisk issues than the infestor. | ||
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Fluid
Canada136 Posts
On December 19 2012 10:29 archonOOid wrote: Is there a video to explaining the difference between patch 9 infestors and patch 10 infestors? http://www.twitch.tv/someone2knoe/b/349220437 This guy did a test showing the infestor buff. Notice though that he misses a marine at 2:05. However he also clicked slightly up of where the marine was so the fungal radius missed, but I think if he had clicked a bit lower then the radius would have hit the marine. That also means that the only way to dodge the new fungal is to be very close or at maximum range of the spell. | ||
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