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Roth
Germany165 Posts
I really do not like the new design of this unit. And if they should take this (in my eyes stupid design) then they should rename it. I do not think that this is a mine anymore it is some kind of a rocket battery... Somehow I think Blizz is going the wrong way with the expansion. A lot of thing I liked more in the beginning. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 08 2012 06:49 s3rp wrote: With 40 seconds delay and relatively small splash they don't really do that though at least against smart opponents. Right now they're a big and very strong gimmick that isn't something you'd want in later stages but is really nice early game and for some funny stuff. I think when people are talking about the burrow time, it is more focusing on the early game when people don't have detection. Right now, the unit burrow and unburrows very quickly. I like that, because I like snappy units. The problem is when the unit is used to contain an opponent in the early game, when people lack detection. Axslav said it in another thread, a widow mine rush requires a robo, but also can look like a lot of other builds unless. I like the unit as it is, I just don't want it to dominate first 7 minutes of the game with people worried if they are going to get all-ined by widow mines. | ||
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Phoenix2003
126 Posts
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Topin
Peru10128 Posts
On October 08 2012 07:19 Roth wrote: Wasn't there a time when the Widow Mine could not detonate when a friendly unit was near it? . that was another units, it was announced but after that they removed it very quickly shredder ![[image loading]](http://ironhammers.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Shredder-105x150.jpg) | ||
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wcr.4fun
Belgium686 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11111 Posts
On October 08 2012 07:41 wcr.4fun wrote: mines should come out early, they add a lot of excitement. The widow mine however, is not a mine anymore and the fact that you can't deal with it without detection (as opposed to spider mines) and that they can be repositioned makes it a rather poor implementation. Would it be alright if we could do dragoon micro to deal with them? >< Tried to find a highlight showing best, bisu or stork clearing mines in a game but only saw reavers cut everything to pieces  | ||
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TheLunatic
309 Posts
On October 08 2012 07:48 Sabu113 wrote: Would it be alright if we could do dragoon micro to deal with them? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdjFvXgvhqg >< Tried to find a highlight showing best, bisu or stork clearing mines in a game but only saw reavers cut everything to pieces How do you implement this with the current state, I love the new mine btw | ||
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Cloak
United States816 Posts
On October 08 2012 07:55 TheLunatic wrote: How do you implement this with the current state, I love the new mine btw Simple, you make the projectile targettable, and you make it so autoacquired targets aren't fast enough to shoot it down while stop micro can be fast enough. | ||
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NeonFox
2373 Posts
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Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
They shouldn't hit cloaked units and should probably either overkill or do less damage, but the way they work is pretty awesome. | ||
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Limelights
United States219 Posts
The Widow Mine changes seem a bit too powerful considering the missile would one-shot zerglings and 40 game seconds goes by quite quickly. | ||
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DemigodcelpH
1138 Posts
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HeavenResign
United States702 Posts
On October 08 2012 08:29 DemigodcelpH wrote: Mine isn't that good. Image a reaver with a 40 second per shot. No one will use it. Morrow's using them every single game with pretty great results. | ||
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-TesteR-
Canada1165 Posts
On October 08 2012 08:29 DemigodcelpH wrote: Mine isn't that good. Image a reaver with a 40 second per shot. No one will use it. Faster reaver than can burrow and doesn't cost money for scarabs? sign me up. | ||
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DemigodcelpH
1138 Posts
On October 08 2012 08:34 DrowSwordsman wrote: Morrow's using them every single game with pretty great results. Watch the coLRise video. They don't look very effective. If anything they're average because they take approximently 15 times longer to fire than the Siege Tank. You can't even target fire them. Zerglings and Locusts hard counter them. Edit: The new model looks better though. | ||
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washikie
United States752 Posts
On October 06 2012 07:15 Cyro wrote: My only problem with the widow mine.. What if he just builds one at the 4 minute mark and somehow gets it burrowed near a ramp or mineral line? It has only a 2 second burrow (1.44 seconds of real time) and that makes 1gate robo pretty much mandatory unless you can get some kind of consistent detection by the 4-5 minute mark. 40 damage splash with the time to regenerate and hit a worker line 3-5 times? If a single mine gets burrowed in a particularly good place it will be game endingly powerful Is it possible that you could prevent this using either a fast stalker for map control which is already fairly standered in this matchup, or getting a forge ( i know not very desirable). but on alot of maps i think p could shut this down by controlling the zelnaga with a stalker and controlling any non revealed path with a zealot this would insure you see the mine coming so you can delay long enough for detection or just kill it This might even lead to some interesting early game postering. Though i do think that widow mine this will somewhat limit early twilight play from p because unlike their robo and now stargate this does not provide detection, however maybe that's not all that bad seeing as the widow mine will already counter dts. Also widow mine will help a meching t alot vs a blink stalker all in which is a big problem for a mech terran right now as 1 and 2 base blink stalkers are very very strong against mech until the t can reach a certain mass of units. Altogether i think the changes look great i was worried terran would be stuck playing wol bio vs hots p. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10167 Posts
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Fig
United States1324 Posts
On October 08 2012 08:43 -TesteR- wrote: Faster reaver than can burrow and doesn't cost money for scarabs? sign me up. And they can be reactored out while costing 75/25 | ||
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Tamburlaine
Canada288 Posts
On October 08 2012 07:55 TheLunatic wrote: How do you implement this with the current state, I love the new mine btw Something like that what you wanted? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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