On September 16 2012 23:51 Antisocialmunky wrote: I wonder if they've considered replacing the warhound with that hover bike that was taken out of the WoL. I realy liked that thing.
Oh you mean diamond back?
Hm that might be interesting... or at least have a unit that can move and shoot like the diamond back, as the only unit that can do that is the phoenix, and such a unit with such micro would help diversify the units/micro in the game.
I'm so happy the Carrier is back, but please Blizzard pay it some much needed attention this time. Don't just leave it in there for an entire game without giving it a single buff. Seems that with the addition of the Tempest, Phoenix, Oracle (anti fungal ability) and now the Carrier again there could be some interesting Sky toss builds been thrown around. Carrier definitely needs a little redesigning though, I truly hope they don't just throw it in and expect it to work like they did with WoL.
Wow the mothership core sounds totally insane now - in general sick buffs to protoss! But as far as I have heard - they really needed it !
Removal off Warhound is great! Now they just need to make the mines cost less supply as well so it makes any sense to make em.
Whyy are they bringing back the carrier? It's such a useless unit. Especially now that the tempest is being changed to deal specifically with massive units, the carrer barely existing role is shrinking down to a complete non existing one.
But all in all cool changes! I like they are doing big drastic changes so we get to know what works and how
On September 16 2012 23:51 Antisocialmunky wrote: I wonder if they've considered replacing the warhound with that hover bike that was taken out of the WoL. I realy liked that thing.
Oh you mean diamond back?
Hm that might be interesting... or at least have a unit that can move and shoot like the diamond back, as the only unit that can do that is the phoenix, and such a unit with such micro would help diversify the units/micro in the game.
Nah, just give it "moving shot" if they want more micro diversity/skill.
On September 17 2012 02:41 PhOeniX[MinD] wrote: they're trying too hard to make the reaper work, they should end his pain and just kill the idea of it!
i agree, i like the idea of the repear but it doesn't work well with the rest of the terran tech tree. i'd like to see it replaced with another interesting infinatry, i really hope blizzard don't make terran into transformers.
The Reaper is an awesome unit in a good design space right now, the micro battles vs Queens, Stalkers and Marines with Battle Awareness make opening with Reapers incredibly exciting.
On September 17 2012 05:56 MoonCricket wrote: The Reaper is an awesome unit in a good design space right now, the micro battles vs Queens, Stalkers and Marines with Battle Awareness make opening with Reapers incredibly exciting.
This may be the case super early game, but you can't deny it has limited use and becomes useless as soon as the option of marines drops opens up?
On September 17 2012 05:56 MoonCricket wrote: The Reaper is an awesome unit in a good design space right now, the micro battles vs Queens, Stalkers and Marines with Battle Awareness make opening with Reapers incredibly exciting.
I don't know, it basically makes reapers a lot easier to control. It makes them more powerful as well, but did terran really need a vision mechanic like this? It negates the fun of the cliff jumping, no longer do you need to jump up and down to guarantee vision, you just automatically get it.
If they want reapers to be useful than they should just try to find some level of stats for them which makes them good to add into your army instead of marines when facing purely light armored enemies.
On September 15 2012 03:10 SunDevil wrote: Most people will be talking about the Warhound I assume, but it's interesting to note that mothership vortexes are now even more powerful late game vs zerg, since the oracle can protect the mothership from getting neuraled.
On September 16 2012 16:16 Ryder. wrote: I don't understand why they aren't playing around with fixing the voidray and carrier like they are with Terran reapers, battlecruisers. tank (upgrade damage buff) and even raven... Terran is generally thought of as being the most complete race, yet Blizzard seems to be giving 110% to making everything about Terran viable... What have they done for protoss? Not a single change to existing units, introduced a couple of gimmicks and a slower mothership, and removed high ground warp in. Its almost like they want everyone to play Terran.
Please tell me that was sarcasm...
Probably he is just stupid. Terrans got some nerfs, including the battle-hellions which had a very good timing attack on tvz (maybe that's why... but the zerg player can go roaches instead of lings....)
This has nothing to do with buffs and nerfs or how strong things are, its about trying to make everything in a race viable and complete. I do like the mothership core, but tempests are just an anti massive unit (a lot like corruptor) and yeah I'm stoked they brought carrier back in but I hoping they intend to play around with it and not just dump it in and say 'there have your carrier back. Lets go work on battlecruisers...'
I wasn't trolling or whining about balance at all, just wondering why they were fiddling around with most of terran's under used units and not protosses. Perhaps you could voice your opinion on the matter instead of adding nothing to the discussion.
On September 16 2012 17:29 Godwrath wrote:
On September 16 2012 17:21 SoniC_eu wrote:
On September 16 2012 16:16 Ryder. wrote: I don't understand why they aren't playing around with fixing the voidray and carrier like they are with Terran reapers, battlecruisers. tank (upgrade damage buff) and even raven... Terran is generally thought of as being the most complete race, yet Blizzard seems to be giving 110% to making everything about Terran viable... What have they done for protoss? Not a single change to existing units, introduced a couple of gimmicks and a slower mothership, and removed high ground warp in. Its almost like they want everyone to play Terran.
They juuuuuuuust introduced carriers again bro, what you on about? "Gimmicks" = more skytoss units which seem pretty useful in PvT and PvZ. A slower Mship? `How about the Mship core which defends against early all ins? It's almost like, or wait, no, you ARE a lil troll aren't you? :D
And oracles being able to prevent every mechanich out there... PvZ is gonna get wild.
What mechanics other than fungal and abduct would it be used on?
Are you JOKING? The Oracle and Tempest just got massive changes to make them more viable (and fun).
How can you say they aren't tweaking Protoss? Hell, instead of playing around with the Warhound they just outright removed it. If that isn't boning Terran exploration I don't know what is.
It sounds like you didn't even bother to read the patch notes and won't be satisfied until the Carrier gets an extreme buff or rework.
I'm talking about EXISTING units. Notice how I brought up BCs, reapers, battlecruisers, tanks? Hell blizzard are even trying to help zergs existing units with hydra speed and ultra charge. Don't see why you cant take your rage hats off for a second and read what I'm saying.
And I honestly don't know how anyone will be happy if carrier doesn't get rework... One of the most underused units in the game; I guess its pretty neat what they did; they take it out and when they replace it everyone is so happy that it gets brought back in they completely forget they wanted it buffed in the first place.
Also they are taking out the Warhound so they can work on it in-house before they bring it back in. Pretty sure Browder said explicitly that.
On September 16 2012 16:16 Ryder. wrote: I don't understand why they aren't playing around with fixing the voidray and carrier like they are with Terran reapers, battlecruisers. tank (upgrade damage buff) and even raven... Terran is generally thought of as being the most complete race, yet Blizzard seems to be giving 110% to making everything about Terran viable... What have they done for protoss? Not a single change to existing units, introduced a couple of gimmicks and a slower mothership, and removed high ground warp in. Its almost like they want everyone to play Terran.
Please tell me that was sarcasm...
Probably he is just stupid. Terrans got some nerfs, including the battle-hellions which had a very good timing attack on tvz (maybe that's why... but the zerg player can go roaches instead of lings....)
This has nothing to do with buffs and nerfs or how strong things are, its about trying to make everything in a race viable and complete. I do like the mothership core, but tempests are just an anti massive unit (a lot like corruptor) and yeah I'm stoked they brought carrier back in but I hoping they intend to play around with it and not just dump it in and say 'there have your carrier back. Lets go work on battlecruisers...'
I wasn't trolling or whining about balance at all, just wondering why they were fiddling around with most of terran's under used units and not protosses. Perhaps you could voice your opinion on the matter instead of adding nothing to the discussion.
On September 16 2012 17:29 Godwrath wrote:
On September 16 2012 17:21 SoniC_eu wrote:
On September 16 2012 16:16 Ryder. wrote: I don't understand why they aren't playing around with fixing the voidray and carrier like they are with Terran reapers, battlecruisers. tank (upgrade damage buff) and even raven... Terran is generally thought of as being the most complete race, yet Blizzard seems to be giving 110% to making everything about Terran viable... What have they done for protoss? Not a single change to existing units, introduced a couple of gimmicks and a slower mothership, and removed high ground warp in. Its almost like they want everyone to play Terran.
They juuuuuuuust introduced carriers again bro, what you on about? "Gimmicks" = more skytoss units which seem pretty useful in PvT and PvZ. A slower Mship? `How about the Mship core which defends against early all ins? It's almost like, or wait, no, you ARE a lil troll aren't you? :D
And oracles being able to prevent every mechanich out there... PvZ is gonna get wild.
What mechanics other than fungal and abduct would it be used on?
Are you JOKING? The Oracle and Tempest just got massive changes to make them more viable (and fun).
How can you say they aren't tweaking Protoss? Hell, instead of playing around with the Warhound they just outright removed it. If that isn't boning Terran exploration I don't know what is.
It sounds like you didn't even bother to read the patch notes and won't be satisfied until the Carrier gets an extreme buff or rework.
He definitely has his blinders on
Thanks again for your second useless one line contribution. Why bother arguing your point when you can just say things like 'please tell me that was sarcasm' and 'he definitely has his blinders on'
Edit: I even explicitly said 'existing' units, guess you missed that too when you started going on about tempest and oracle. Was simply wondering why Blizzard hasn't touched any of the existing toss units when they have for terran and zerg, no need for everyone to get all antsy about it.
Because youre just being ridiculous, "blizz is catering to terran" "blizz apparently wants everyone to play terran" When Terran is the LEAST represented race on the ladder, is getting the fewest changes in HotS, etc. Terran got a reaper change, a widow mine, and a hellion upgrade, and youre seriously whining like this? Protoss got all kinds of new shit, who cares if they didnt change a few of the existing units, you want your cake and to eat it too eh?
Ooo I never thought about that part. Thank god there is a way to not get your mothership NP'd. Especially with the yank. It's a must now to have oracle with the deathball to save your mothership from YOINK, "For the swarm" oh god please no.
On September 16 2012 16:16 Ryder. wrote: I don't understand why they aren't playing around with fixing the voidray and carrier like they are with Terran reapers, battlecruisers. tank (upgrade damage buff) and even raven... Terran is generally thought of as being the most complete race, yet Blizzard seems to be giving 110% to making everything about Terran viable... What have they done for protoss? Not a single change to existing units, introduced a couple of gimmicks and a slower mothership, and removed high ground warp in. Its almost like they want everyone to play Terran.
Please tell me that was sarcasm...
Probably he is just stupid. Terrans got some nerfs, including the battle-hellions which had a very good timing attack on tvz (maybe that's why... but the zerg player can go roaches instead of lings....)
This has nothing to do with buffs and nerfs or how strong things are, its about trying to make everything in a race viable and complete. I do like the mothership core, but tempests are just an anti massive unit (a lot like corruptor) and yeah I'm stoked they brought carrier back in but I hoping they intend to play around with it and not just dump it in and say 'there have your carrier back. Lets go work on battlecruisers...'
I wasn't trolling or whining about balance at all, just wondering why they were fiddling around with most of terran's under used units and not protosses. Perhaps you could voice your opinion on the matter instead of adding nothing to the discussion.
On September 16 2012 17:29 Godwrath wrote:
On September 16 2012 17:21 SoniC_eu wrote:
On September 16 2012 16:16 Ryder. wrote: I don't understand why they aren't playing around with fixing the voidray and carrier like they are with Terran reapers, battlecruisers. tank (upgrade damage buff) and even raven... Terran is generally thought of as being the most complete race, yet Blizzard seems to be giving 110% to making everything about Terran viable... What have they done for protoss? Not a single change to existing units, introduced a couple of gimmicks and a slower mothership, and removed high ground warp in. Its almost like they want everyone to play Terran.
They juuuuuuuust introduced carriers again bro, what you on about? "Gimmicks" = more skytoss units which seem pretty useful in PvT and PvZ. A slower Mship? `How about the Mship core which defends against early all ins? It's almost like, or wait, no, you ARE a lil troll aren't you? :D
And oracles being able to prevent every mechanich out there... PvZ is gonna get wild.
What mechanics other than fungal and abduct would it be used on?
Are you JOKING? The Oracle and Tempest just got massive changes to make them more viable (and fun).
How can you say they aren't tweaking Protoss? Hell, instead of playing around with the Warhound they just outright removed it. If that isn't boning Terran exploration I don't know what is.
It sounds like you didn't even bother to read the patch notes and won't be satisfied until the Carrier gets an extreme buff or rework.
I'm talking about EXISTING units. Notice how I brought up BCs, reapers, battlecruisers, tanks? Hell blizzard are even trying to help zergs existing units with hydra speed and ultra charge. Don't see why you cant take your rage hats off for a second and read what I'm saying.
And I honestly don't know how anyone will be happy if carrier doesn't get rework... One of the most underused units in the game; I guess its pretty neat what they did; they take it out and when they replace it everyone is so happy that it gets brought back in they completely forget they wanted it buffed in the first place.
Also they are taking out the Warhound so they can work on it in-house before they bring it back in. Pretty sure Browder said explicitly that.
On September 16 2012 22:46 teamhozac wrote:
On September 16 2012 22:44 Figgy wrote:
On September 16 2012 20:53 Ryder. wrote:
On September 16 2012 17:10 Godwrath wrote:
On September 16 2012 16:23 teamhozac wrote:
On September 16 2012 16:16 Ryder. wrote: I don't understand why they aren't playing around with fixing the voidray and carrier like they are with Terran reapers, battlecruisers. tank (upgrade damage buff) and even raven... Terran is generally thought of as being the most complete race, yet Blizzard seems to be giving 110% to making everything about Terran viable... What have they done for protoss? Not a single change to existing units, introduced a couple of gimmicks and a slower mothership, and removed high ground warp in. Its almost like they want everyone to play Terran.
Please tell me that was sarcasm...
Probably he is just stupid. Terrans got some nerfs, including the battle-hellions which had a very good timing attack on tvz (maybe that's why... but the zerg player can go roaches instead of lings....)
This has nothing to do with buffs and nerfs or how strong things are, its about trying to make everything in a race viable and complete. I do like the mothership core, but tempests are just an anti massive unit (a lot like corruptor) and yeah I'm stoked they brought carrier back in but I hoping they intend to play around with it and not just dump it in and say 'there have your carrier back. Lets go work on battlecruisers...'
I wasn't trolling or whining about balance at all, just wondering why they were fiddling around with most of terran's under used units and not protosses. Perhaps you could voice your opinion on the matter instead of adding nothing to the discussion.
On September 16 2012 17:29 Godwrath wrote:
On September 16 2012 17:21 SoniC_eu wrote:
On September 16 2012 16:16 Ryder. wrote: I don't understand why they aren't playing around with fixing the voidray and carrier like they are with Terran reapers, battlecruisers. tank (upgrade damage buff) and even raven... Terran is generally thought of as being the most complete race, yet Blizzard seems to be giving 110% to making everything about Terran viable... What have they done for protoss? Not a single change to existing units, introduced a couple of gimmicks and a slower mothership, and removed high ground warp in. Its almost like they want everyone to play Terran.
They juuuuuuuust introduced carriers again bro, what you on about? "Gimmicks" = more skytoss units which seem pretty useful in PvT and PvZ. A slower Mship? `How about the Mship core which defends against early all ins? It's almost like, or wait, no, you ARE a lil troll aren't you? :D
And oracles being able to prevent every mechanich out there... PvZ is gonna get wild.
What mechanics other than fungal and abduct would it be used on?
Are you JOKING? The Oracle and Tempest just got massive changes to make them more viable (and fun).
How can you say they aren't tweaking Protoss? Hell, instead of playing around with the Warhound they just outright removed it. If that isn't boning Terran exploration I don't know what is.
It sounds like you didn't even bother to read the patch notes and won't be satisfied until the Carrier gets an extreme buff or rework.
He definitely has his blinders on
Thanks again for your second useless one line contribution. Why bother arguing your point when you can just say things like 'please tell me that was sarcasm' and 'he definitely has his blinders on'
Edit: I even explicitly said 'existing' units, guess you missed that too when you started going on about tempest and oracle. Was simply wondering why Blizzard hasn't touched any of the existing toss units when they have for terran and zerg, no need for everyone to get all antsy about it.
Because youre just being ridiculous, "blizz is catering to terran" "blizz apparently wants everyone to play terran" When Terran is the LEAST represented race on the ladder, is getting the fewest changes in HotS, etc. Terran got a reaper change, a widow mine, and a hellion upgrade, and youre seriously whining like this? Protoss got all kinds of new shit, who cares if they didnt change a few of the existing units, you want your cake and to eat it too eh?
It is worth pointing out that the carrier sees very little use because of it's current build time / resource cost. Everyone has known this for a very long time and bringing it back with the same stats isn't going to improve it much.
Asking for upgrades or changes to the protoss gateway and robo units is silly. they are all good, useful units. I don't think anyone would mind a colossus rework terribly, but that aside, everything gets used in every matchup.
The obvious holes for protoss is the lack of decent harass units and the completely unviable 'air-toss'. Bringing back the carrier returns the meat of the protoss armada. It will be interstesting to see if carrier tempest phoenix is a workable composition.
On September 16 2012 16:16 Ryder. wrote: I don't understand why they aren't playing around with fixing the voidray and carrier like they are with Terran reapers, battlecruisers. tank (upgrade damage buff) and even raven... Terran is generally thought of as being the most complete race, yet Blizzard seems to be giving 110% to making everything about Terran viable... What have they done for protoss? Not a single change to existing units, introduced a couple of gimmicks and a slower mothership, and removed high ground warp in. Its almost like they want everyone to play Terran.
Please tell me that was sarcasm...
Probably he is just stupid. Terrans got some nerfs, including the battle-hellions which had a very good timing attack on tvz (maybe that's why... but the zerg player can go roaches instead of lings....)
This has nothing to do with buffs and nerfs or how strong things are, its about trying to make everything in a race viable and complete. I do like the mothership core, but tempests are just an anti massive unit (a lot like corruptor) and yeah I'm stoked they brought carrier back in but I hoping they intend to play around with it and not just dump it in and say 'there have your carrier back. Lets go work on battlecruisers...'
I wasn't trolling or whining about balance at all, just wondering why they were fiddling around with most of terran's under used units and not protosses. Perhaps you could voice your opinion on the matter instead of adding nothing to the discussion.
On September 16 2012 17:29 Godwrath wrote:
On September 16 2012 17:21 SoniC_eu wrote:
On September 16 2012 16:16 Ryder. wrote: I don't understand why they aren't playing around with fixing the voidray and carrier like they are with Terran reapers, battlecruisers. tank (upgrade damage buff) and even raven... Terran is generally thought of as being the most complete race, yet Blizzard seems to be giving 110% to making everything about Terran viable... What have they done for protoss? Not a single change to existing units, introduced a couple of gimmicks and a slower mothership, and removed high ground warp in. Its almost like they want everyone to play Terran.
They juuuuuuuust introduced carriers again bro, what you on about? "Gimmicks" = more skytoss units which seem pretty useful in PvT and PvZ. A slower Mship? `How about the Mship core which defends against early all ins? It's almost like, or wait, no, you ARE a lil troll aren't you? :D
And oracles being able to prevent every mechanich out there... PvZ is gonna get wild.
What mechanics other than fungal and abduct would it be used on?
Are you JOKING? The Oracle and Tempest just got massive changes to make them more viable (and fun).
How can you say they aren't tweaking Protoss? Hell, instead of playing around with the Warhound they just outright removed it. If that isn't boning Terran exploration I don't know what is.
It sounds like you didn't even bother to read the patch notes and won't be satisfied until the Carrier gets an extreme buff or rework.
I'm talking about EXISTING units. Notice how I brought up BCs, reapers, battlecruisers, tanks? Hell blizzard are even trying to help zergs existing units with hydra speed and ultra charge. Don't see why you cant take your rage hats off for a second and read what I'm saying.
And I honestly don't know how anyone will be happy if carrier doesn't get rework... One of the most underused units in the game; I guess its pretty neat what they did; they take it out and when they replace it everyone is so happy that it gets brought back in they completely forget they wanted it buffed in the first place.
Also they are taking out the Warhound so they can work on it in-house before they bring it back in. Pretty sure Browder said explicitly that.
On September 16 2012 22:46 teamhozac wrote:
On September 16 2012 22:44 Figgy wrote:
On September 16 2012 20:53 Ryder. wrote:
On September 16 2012 17:10 Godwrath wrote:
On September 16 2012 16:23 teamhozac wrote:
On September 16 2012 16:16 Ryder. wrote: I don't understand why they aren't playing around with fixing the voidray and carrier like they are with Terran reapers, battlecruisers. tank (upgrade damage buff) and even raven... Terran is generally thought of as being the most complete race, yet Blizzard seems to be giving 110% to making everything about Terran viable... What have they done for protoss? Not a single change to existing units, introduced a couple of gimmicks and a slower mothership, and removed high ground warp in. Its almost like they want everyone to play Terran.
Please tell me that was sarcasm...
Probably he is just stupid. Terrans got some nerfs, including the battle-hellions which had a very good timing attack on tvz (maybe that's why... but the zerg player can go roaches instead of lings....)
This has nothing to do with buffs and nerfs or how strong things are, its about trying to make everything in a race viable and complete. I do like the mothership core, but tempests are just an anti massive unit (a lot like corruptor) and yeah I'm stoked they brought carrier back in but I hoping they intend to play around with it and not just dump it in and say 'there have your carrier back. Lets go work on battlecruisers...'
I wasn't trolling or whining about balance at all, just wondering why they were fiddling around with most of terran's under used units and not protosses. Perhaps you could voice your opinion on the matter instead of adding nothing to the discussion.
On September 16 2012 17:29 Godwrath wrote:
On September 16 2012 17:21 SoniC_eu wrote:
On September 16 2012 16:16 Ryder. wrote: I don't understand why they aren't playing around with fixing the voidray and carrier like they are with Terran reapers, battlecruisers. tank (upgrade damage buff) and even raven... Terran is generally thought of as being the most complete race, yet Blizzard seems to be giving 110% to making everything about Terran viable... What have they done for protoss? Not a single change to existing units, introduced a couple of gimmicks and a slower mothership, and removed high ground warp in. Its almost like they want everyone to play Terran.
They juuuuuuuust introduced carriers again bro, what you on about? "Gimmicks" = more skytoss units which seem pretty useful in PvT and PvZ. A slower Mship? `How about the Mship core which defends against early all ins? It's almost like, or wait, no, you ARE a lil troll aren't you? :D
And oracles being able to prevent every mechanich out there... PvZ is gonna get wild.
What mechanics other than fungal and abduct would it be used on?
Are you JOKING? The Oracle and Tempest just got massive changes to make them more viable (and fun).
How can you say they aren't tweaking Protoss? Hell, instead of playing around with the Warhound they just outright removed it. If that isn't boning Terran exploration I don't know what is.
It sounds like you didn't even bother to read the patch notes and won't be satisfied until the Carrier gets an extreme buff or rework.
He definitely has his blinders on
Thanks again for your second useless one line contribution. Why bother arguing your point when you can just say things like 'please tell me that was sarcasm' and 'he definitely has his blinders on'
Edit: I even explicitly said 'existing' units, guess you missed that too when you started going on about tempest and oracle. Was simply wondering why Blizzard hasn't touched any of the existing toss units when they have for terran and zerg, no need for everyone to get all antsy about it.
Because youre just being ridiculous, "blizz is catering to terran" "blizz apparently wants everyone to play terran" When Terran is the LEAST represented race on the ladder, is getting the fewest changes in HotS, etc. Terran got a reaper change, a widow mine, and a hellion upgrade, and youre seriously whining like this? Protoss got all kinds of new shit, who cares if they didnt change a few of the existing units, you want your cake and to eat it too eh?
It is worth pointing out that the carrier sees very little use because of it's current build time / resource cost. Everyone has known this for a very long time and bringing it back with the same stats isn't going to improve it much.
Asking for upgrades or changes to the protoss gateway and robo units is silly. they are all good, useful units. I don't think anyone would mind a colossus rework terribly, but that aside, everything gets used in every matchup.
The obvious holes for protoss is the lack of decent harass units and the completely unviable 'air-toss'. Bringing back the carrier returns the meat of the protoss armada. It will be interstesting to see if carrier tempest phoenix is a workable composition.
Air protoss is actually seeing a comeback against the new meching style of terran because it does not have much anti air, but with the removal of warhound who knows if that will still be the case. Tempests are pretty awesome I dont care what anyone says, they force vikings which no terran ever wants to make, believe me. Some of these new maps have HUGE dead space areas that tempests can sit and snipe all day.
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