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On September 15 2012 17:16 Spidinko wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 14:46 teamhozac wrote:
"Widow mine no longer has an Armory requirement
We’re barely seeing any play using widow mines in the beta right now. While we are slightly afraid of bringing in a cloaked unit so early in the tech, we decided it would be cool to see how this works out at with no Armory requirement."
No blizzard, it won't, its a POS, "cloaked unit" lol so scary (sarcasm) This just shows that you don't understand the game very much. It's a good thing, though. If you realize that, you can learn!. Now, try to think why they'd be scared of removing armory requirement for mines? It was mentioned on most pro streams before when they discussed it. However, it'd be best if you figured it out yourself. "[..]learn to be a better gamer." -Day9
Please... I was making fun of the fact that they called it a "cloaked unit" when it is clearly not. It is a unit that can burrow and is stationary. It is not like it can run into a mineral line and do massive damage like a banshee or DT or burrowed infestor. If youre that bad that you let that happen well then, maybe YOU need to learn the game.
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Best patch ever!
I really like the design now! let's just wait and see how it plays out and probably change some numbers for better balance, but conceptually the design is great now!
P.s. if you want mech to be viable vs Protoss, I suggest to wait and see what kind of buff tanks and widow mines might need, and then just buff these units instead of brining back stupid war hounds.
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On September 16 2012 01:33 Alex1Sun wrote:
Best patch ever!
I really like the design now! let's just wait and see how it plays out and probably change some numbers for better balance, but conceptually the deign is great now!
P.s. if you want mech to be viable vs Protoss, I suggest to wait and see what kind of buff tanks and widow mines might need, and then just buff these units instead of brining back stupid war hounds.
AS long as widow mines cost supply, they will never be used
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"Oracle Entomb changes: Duration reduced from 45 to 25Mineral Shield health increased from 75 to 100
We were facing two issues with this ability: First – lower skilled players who didn’t react quickly would take too large an economic hit. Second – higher level players who reacted almost instantly would take too little damage from the ability. This is just a first pass at attempting to solve these two issues."
So much for the "balancing the game at the pro level argument" that so many people use LOL
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On September 16 2012 01:34 teamhozac wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 01:33 Alex1Sun wrote:
Best patch ever!
I really like the design now! let's just wait and see how it plays out and probably change some numbers for better balance, but conceptually the deign is great now!
P.s. if you want mech to be viable vs Protoss, I suggest to wait and see what kind of buff tanks and widow mines might need, and then just buff these units instead of brining back stupid war hounds. AS long as widow mines cost supply, they will never be used
You might be right. I would however prefer to first see whether they are used now. If not, then reduce their supply to 1. If they are still not used, then let some other unit lie them.
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On September 16 2012 01:29 teamhozac wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 17:16 Spidinko wrote:On September 15 2012 14:46 teamhozac wrote:
"Widow mine no longer has an Armory requirement
We’re barely seeing any play using widow mines in the beta right now. While we are slightly afraid of bringing in a cloaked unit so early in the tech, we decided it would be cool to see how this works out at with no Armory requirement."
No blizzard, it won't, its a POS, "cloaked unit" lol so scary (sarcasm) This just shows that you don't understand the game very much. It's a good thing, though. If you realize that, you can learn!. Now, try to think why they'd be scared of removing armory requirement for mines? It was mentioned on most pro streams before when they discussed it. However, it'd be best if you figured it out yourself. "[..]learn to be a better gamer." -Day9 Please... I was making fun of the fact that they called it a "cloaked unit" when it is clearly not. It is a unit that can burrow and is stationary. It is not like it can run into a mineral line and do massive damage like a banshee or DT or burrowed infestor. If youre that bad that you let that happen well then, maybe YOU need to learn the game.
Burrow is essentially cloak, and considering that the mine can only attack when in a burrowed position I don't think it's too far of a stretch to call it cloaked. I could see mines being used very well to snipe transfering queens. I think it'd make it hard for a z to take a 3rd before lair considering there will be a burrowed unit blocking their expansion. That in itself is pretty significant.
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On September 16 2012 01:38 Alex1Sun wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 01:34 teamhozac wrote:On September 16 2012 01:33 Alex1Sun wrote:
Best patch ever!
I really like the design now! let's just wait and see how it plays out and probably change some numbers for better balance, but conceptually the deign is great now!
P.s. if you want mech to be viable vs Protoss, I suggest to wait and see what kind of buff tanks and widow mines might need, and then just buff these units instead of brining back stupid war hounds. AS long as widow mines cost supply, they will never be used You might be right. I would however prefer to first see whether they are used now. If not, then reduce their supply to 1. If they are still not used, then let some other unit lie them.
I mean paying for them is one thing, but having them take away from your army supply is ridiculous. That was the beauty of spider mines, is that they came with the vulture which you were going to make anyways and you could create basically free minefields. Costing minerals/gas AND supply is just retarded
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On September 16 2012 01:38 teamhozac wrote:
"Oracle Entomb changes: Duration reduced from 45 to 25Mineral Shield health increased from 75 to 100
We were facing two issues with this ability: First – lower skilled players who didn’t react quickly would take too large an economic hit. Second – higher level players who reacted almost instantly would take too little damage from the ability. This is just a first pass at attempting to solve these two issues."
So much for the "balancing the game at the pro level argument" that so many people use LOL
... That's not what I see.
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On September 16 2012 01:40 SupItsG wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 01:29 teamhozac wrote:On September 15 2012 17:16 Spidinko wrote:On September 15 2012 14:46 teamhozac wrote:
"Widow mine no longer has an Armory requirement
We’re barely seeing any play using widow mines in the beta right now. While we are slightly afraid of bringing in a cloaked unit so early in the tech, we decided it would be cool to see how this works out at with no Armory requirement."
No blizzard, it won't, its a POS, "cloaked unit" lol so scary (sarcasm) This just shows that you don't understand the game very much. It's a good thing, though. If you realize that, you can learn!. Now, try to think why they'd be scared of removing armory requirement for mines? It was mentioned on most pro streams before when they discussed it. However, it'd be best if you figured it out yourself. "[..]learn to be a better gamer." -Day9 Please... I was making fun of the fact that they called it a "cloaked unit" when it is clearly not. It is a unit that can burrow and is stationary. It is not like it can run into a mineral line and do massive damage like a banshee or DT or burrowed infestor. If youre that bad that you let that happen well then, maybe YOU need to learn the game. Burrow is essentially cloak, and considering that the mine can only attack when in a burrowed position I don't think it's too far of a stretch to call it cloaked. I could see mines being used very well to snipe transfering queens. I think it'd make it hard for a z to take a 3rd before lair considering there will be a burrowed unit blocking their expansion. That in itself is pretty significant.
God forbid zerg actually has to use 50/50 to get an overseer... and yes it is a stretch to call it "cloaked" lets think of the units that do have cloaking, ghosts, banshees, DTs, and observers. What do all these units have in common? They can MOVE while cloaked, the widow mine cannot. NOT a cloaked unit
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On September 16 2012 01:44 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 01:38 teamhozac wrote:
"Oracle Entomb changes: Duration reduced from 45 to 25Mineral Shield health increased from 75 to 100
We were facing two issues with this ability: First – lower skilled players who didn’t react quickly would take too large an economic hit. Second – higher level players who reacted almost instantly would take too little damage from the ability. This is just a first pass at attempting to solve these two issues."
So much for the "balancing the game at the pro level argument" that so many people use LOL ... That's not what I see.
Looks like youre just seeing what you want to see, clearly skipping the first line of the sentence
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On September 16 2012 01:40 SupItsG wrote:
Burrow is essentially cloak, and considering that the mine can only attack when in a burrowed position I don't think it's too far of a stretch to call it cloaked. I could see mines being used very well to snipe transfering queens. I think it'd make it hard for a z to take a 3rd before lair considering there will be a burrowed unit blocking their expansion. That in itself is pretty significant.
Doesn't the Widdow Mine auto attack? One sacrificed Zergling and the expansion can be taken.
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On September 16 2012 01:48 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 01:40 SupItsG wrote:
Burrow is essentially cloak, and considering that the mine can only attack when in a burrowed position I don't think it's too far of a stretch to call it cloaked. I could see mines being used very well to snipe transfering queens. I think it'd make it hard for a z to take a 3rd before lair considering there will be a burrowed unit blocking their expansion. That in itself is pretty significant. Doesn't the Widdow Mine auto attack? One sacrificed Zergling and the expansion can be taken.
Auto-atack can be turned off
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On September 16 2012 01:48 y0su wrote:
Doesn't the Widdow Mine auto attack? One sacrificed Zergling and the expansion can be taken.
You can turn off autocast. -__-
EDIT: Ninja'd.
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On September 16 2012 01:24 Huragius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 00:09 SarcasmMonster wrote:On September 16 2012 00:06 Huragius wrote:On September 15 2012 23:56 SarcasmMonster wrote:On September 15 2012 23:53 Huragius wrote:On September 15 2012 23:43 SarcasmMonster wrote:
It's depressing to watch people defending the Warhound. It would have ruined HOTS. Roaches ruined PvZ. Infestors ruined TvZ. Zealots and Marauders made TvP/PvT very so-so match-up. I can't see Warhound doing anything worse to the game than any of those mentioned units. Maybe they were too strong, but such design unit was needed for Terran.  and  has shitty units therefore  should get shitty units is a race to the bottom. The Warhound would have ruined the rest of the matchups and especially v . You were trying to make fun out of me, but thats actually the whole point. You either have to remove roaches/infestors/zealots/etc that reduce the complexity of other two races or give terran a unit/units that could make them just as forgiving as protoss and zerg. From what I'm seeing, that's not the case. Making Terran race equal to other races only on high korean level is a sign of very poor design game. We both see the same problem, we just have different ideal solutions.You want to stoop down to the level of and . I want Blizz to bring and up to the level of (nerfing Fungal, replacing Colossus, etc etc) I don't actually care which solution it will be. But lets be realistic, they are NOT going to make zerg and protoss more demanding. The bitchy community would go crazy.
Well, toss has the most demanding basic units. First of all, you have to strike a balance (so no holding down the "R" button, until enough roaches are made to kill everything) which units you build, then you have to micro your forcefields right. Waste them, and no unit is gonna come home (unlike these blazing fast zerg units and stimmed bio).
Of course terran bio needs micro too, but it's not their basic units, that are the problem, but the lack of a tanking unit and the vulnerability of their high tech units (all of them possess a purple bar...). Let's see how battle hellion does it's job, now that it's not a warhound spam game.
And please refrain from calling a race not demanding. If you think a race is too easy, play it, win the GSL, then I'll trust you.
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i think what blizzard have in mind is a new unit not the warhound but another unit instead lets see what it is first before buffing the tankss and widow mine
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On September 16 2012 01:40 teamhozac wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 01:38 Alex1Sun wrote:On September 16 2012 01:34 teamhozac wrote:On September 16 2012 01:33 Alex1Sun wrote:
Best patch ever!
I really like the design now! let's just wait and see how it plays out and probably change some numbers for better balance, but conceptually the deign is great now!
P.s. if you want mech to be viable vs Protoss, I suggest to wait and see what kind of buff tanks and widow mines might need, and then just buff these units instead of brining back stupid war hounds. AS long as widow mines cost supply, they will never be used You might be right. I would however prefer to first see whether they are used now. If not, then reduce their supply to 1. If they are still not used, then let some other unit lie them. I mean paying for them is one thing, but having them take away from your army supply is ridiculous. That was the beauty of spider mines, is that they came with the vulture which you were going to make anyways and you could create basically free minefields. Costing minerals/gas AND supply is just retarded
That is if you want huge minefields. I'm not sure if would be better for the game. It however might be. I suggest let's see how widow mines work now (or a bit later with more buffs), and if they don't work well, then make them free supply and built by some unit.
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On September 16 2012 01:48 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 01:40 SupItsG wrote:
Burrow is essentially cloak, and considering that the mine can only attack when in a burrowed position I don't think it's too far of a stretch to call it cloaked. I could see mines being used very well to snipe transfering queens. I think it'd make it hard for a z to take a 3rd before lair considering there will be a burrowed unit blocking their expansion. That in itself is pretty significant. Doesn't the Widdow Mine auto attack? One sacrificed Zergling and the expansion can be taken.
Yes it does. Spider mines in BW were free and people learned how to play against them, sacrificing some units to clear them was one of the options. I can only laugh when people complain about these things now 
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On September 16 2012 01:45 teamhozac wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 01:40 SupItsG wrote:On September 16 2012 01:29 teamhozac wrote:On September 15 2012 17:16 Spidinko wrote:On September 15 2012 14:46 teamhozac wrote:
"Widow mine no longer has an Armory requirement
We’re barely seeing any play using widow mines in the beta right now. While we are slightly afraid of bringing in a cloaked unit so early in the tech, we decided it would be cool to see how this works out at with no Armory requirement."
No blizzard, it won't, its a POS, "cloaked unit" lol so scary (sarcasm) This just shows that you don't understand the game very much. It's a good thing, though. If you realize that, you can learn!. Now, try to think why they'd be scared of removing armory requirement for mines? It was mentioned on most pro streams before when they discussed it. However, it'd be best if you figured it out yourself. "[..]learn to be a better gamer." -Day9 Please... I was making fun of the fact that they called it a "cloaked unit" when it is clearly not. It is a unit that can burrow and is stationary. It is not like it can run into a mineral line and do massive damage like a banshee or DT or burrowed infestor. If youre that bad that you let that happen well then, maybe YOU need to learn the game. Burrow is essentially cloak, and considering that the mine can only attack when in a burrowed position I don't think it's too far of a stretch to call it cloaked. I could see mines being used very well to snipe transfering queens. I think it'd make it hard for a z to take a 3rd before lair considering there will be a burrowed unit blocking their expansion. That in itself is pretty significant. God forbid zerg actually has to use 50/50 to get an overseer... and yes it is a stretch to call it "cloaked" lets think of the units that do have cloaking, ghosts, banshees, DTs, and observers. What do all these units have in common? They can MOVE while cloaked, the widow mine cannot. NOT a cloaked unit
Doesn't have anything to do with moving as roaches and infestors can move while burrowed. I'd say it's more about ghosts, banshees and DT's able to use their primary attack while moving and being cloaked.
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They need to quit dumbing down this game, the fact that they changed the oracle ability to help "lower skilled players" is ridiculous. They need to get rid of auto mine at beginning of game, showing scan range, etc. Things like that are killing this game as an esport
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