On September 15 2012 21:37 Qikz wrote:
... That's not Starcraft, that sounds like COmpany of Heroes :/
... That's not Starcraft, that sounds like COmpany of Heroes :/
Warhammer 40k Dawn of War actually.
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							Teoita
							
							
						 
						Italy12246 Posts
						 On September 15 2012 21:37 Qikz wrote: Show nested quote + On September 15 2012 21:34 Fuzzymix wrote: What they should introduce to all races in order to add some more depth: add another level of advanced buildings, only available when a Racial Tech Control Point is secured. You would then be able to create advanced units like the warhound (and give them another purpose) from units that are currently merely used, to upgrade these selected units to this last new level. The loss of the TCP would mean the loss of the superunit. Battles would then become even more strategical, particularly in the late games. Imagine the Golliath morph into a Mega Warhound, Nydus Worm into a Nydus Sieger, Carrier into a Planetary Stalker... just my two cents ... That's not Starcraft, that sounds like COmpany of Heroes :/ Warhammer 40k Dawn of War actually. | ||
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							sunwentai
							
							
						 
						Canada8 Posts
						 To me, it looks as if Blizzard simply never cared about the Carrier in SC2, and was just waiting for an opportunity to get rid of it...but considering how important the Carrier is to SC lore, it just doesn't make any sense for them to think that. | ||
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							SlaverR
							
							
						 
						Germany87 Posts
						 Oh Carrier, you are our love Where you make zergs QQ from above My buddy stay in space Show us that you can crush some face! The Warhound Unable to walk, unable to shine To put you in war was truely a crime Today you're gone and this cheers me up To all have fun and good luck! ♥ | ||
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							DeCoup
							
							
						 
						Australia1933 Posts
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							FallDownMarigold
							
							
						 
						United States3710 Posts
						 On September 15 2012 23:06 Teoita wrote: Show nested quote + On September 15 2012 21:37 Qikz wrote: On September 15 2012 21:34 Fuzzymix wrote: What they should introduce to all races in order to add some more depth: add another level of advanced buildings, only available when a Racial Tech Control Point is secured. You would then be able to create advanced units like the warhound (and give them another purpose) from units that are currently merely used, to upgrade these selected units to this last new level. The loss of the TCP would mean the loss of the superunit. Battles would then become even more strategical, particularly in the late games. Imagine the Golliath morph into a Mega Warhound, Nydus Worm into a Nydus Sieger, Carrier into a Planetary Stalker... just my two cents ... That's not Starcraft, that sounds like COmpany of Heroes :/ Warhammer 40k Dawn of War actually. Yeah that's not Starcraft at all. If anything that type of mechanic detracts from depth of play. The end result would always be the same -- gain control of the "tcp" and pwn face with your "super unit" earlier than your enemy... Blah, that sounds awful. Thankfully Blizz would NEVER implement this type of thing, despite how wacky some of their decisions are at times. | ||
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							Huragius
							
							
						 
						Lithuania1506 Posts
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							SarcasmMonster
							
							
						 
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							Huragius
							
							
						 
						Lithuania1506 Posts
						 On September 15 2012 23:43 SarcasmMonster wrote: It's depressing to watch people defending the Warhound. It would have ruined HOTS. Roaches ruined PvZ. Infestors ruined TvZ. Zealots and Marauders made TvP/PvT very so-so match-up. I can't see Warhound doing anything worse to the game than any of those mentioned units. Maybe they were too strong, but such design unit was needed for Terran. | ||
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							XiWi
							
							
						 
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							SarcasmMonster
							
							
						 
						3136 Posts
						 On September 15 2012 23:53 Huragius wrote: Show nested quote + On September 15 2012 23:43 SarcasmMonster wrote: It's depressing to watch people defending the Warhound. It would have ruined HOTS. Roaches ruined PvZ. Infestors ruined TvZ. Zealots and Marauders made TvP/PvT very so-so match-up. I can't see Warhound doing anything worse to the game than any of those mentioned units. Maybe they were too strong, but such design unit was needed for Terran.  and  has shitty units therefore  should get shitty units is a race to the bottom. The Warhound would have ruined the rest of the matchups and especially  v  . | ||
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							Crawdad
							
							
						 
						614 Posts
						 On September 15 2012 23:55 XiWi wrote: As a terran player I'm quitting starcraft and not buying HotS Two weeks into the beta? Really? -__- | ||
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							Millet
							
							
						 
						Sweden143 Posts
						 I want to adress all the terran QQers first though: First off, the removal of warhound means there is a strong potential for another unit to be added. Secondly, the warhound in its current state would completely ruin HotS. And people complaining that reapers will be completely OP: One reaper costs 50/50, which i would argue is about the same price as for a barracks (as gas is about worth twice as much as minerals), this means that all along you could just build and float an extra barracks instead to see up the cliff. It will just be more convenient with a reaper. | ||
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							Herect
							
							
						 
						Brazil216 Posts
						 On September 15 2012 23:53 Huragius wrote: Show nested quote + On September 15 2012 23:43 SarcasmMonster wrote: It's depressing to watch people defending the Warhound. It would have ruined HOTS. Roaches ruined PvZ. Infestors ruined TvZ. Zealots and Marauders made TvP/PvT very so-so match-up. I can't see Warhound doing anything worse to the game than any of those mentioned units. Maybe they were too strong, but such design unit was needed for Terran. Roaches become useless after mid-game in PvZ, what it makes PvZ so boring is BL+Infestors compositions. Tempests adress that. You probably see this composition less and less within time. Carries + Oracle can be ok too with that new dispel ability. Terran can deal with Infestors, but such a patience, such position, such map control and such micro is needed to deal with that that is almost non-fair. Marauder made Bio Viable in TvP, but the Immortals made Mech useless. | ||
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							blacksheepwall
							
							
						 
						China1530 Posts
						 Pretty excellent changes all around, imho. | ||
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							Huragius
							
							
						 
						Lithuania1506 Posts
						 On September 15 2012 23:56 SarcasmMonster wrote: Show nested quote + On September 15 2012 23:53 Huragius wrote: On September 15 2012 23:43 SarcasmMonster wrote: It's depressing to watch people defending the Warhound. It would have ruined HOTS. Roaches ruined PvZ. Infestors ruined TvZ. Zealots and Marauders made TvP/PvT very so-so match-up. I can't see Warhound doing anything worse to the game than any of those mentioned units. Maybe they were too strong, but such design unit was needed for Terran.  and  has shitty units therefore  should get shitty units is a race to the bottom. The Warhound would have ruined the rest of the matchups and especially  v  . You were trying to make fun out of me, but thats actually the whole point. You either have to remove roaches/infestors/zealots/etc that reduce the complexity of other two races or give terran a unit/units that could make them just as forgiving as protoss and zerg. From what I'm seeing, that's not the case. Making Terran race equal to other races only on high korean level is a sign of very poor design game. | ||
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							Doodsmack
							
							
						 
						United States7224 Posts
						 On September 15 2012 23:55 XiWi wrote: As a terran player I'm quitting starcraft and not buying HotS Oh the emotional reactions to SC2 balance lol. | ||
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							SarcasmMonster
							
							
						 
						3136 Posts
						 On September 16 2012 00:06 Huragius wrote: Show nested quote + On September 15 2012 23:56 SarcasmMonster wrote: On September 15 2012 23:53 Huragius wrote: On September 15 2012 23:43 SarcasmMonster wrote: It's depressing to watch people defending the Warhound. It would have ruined HOTS. Roaches ruined PvZ. Infestors ruined TvZ. Zealots and Marauders made TvP/PvT very so-so match-up. I can't see Warhound doing anything worse to the game than any of those mentioned units. Maybe they were too strong, but such design unit was needed for Terran.  and  has shitty units therefore  should get shitty units is a race to the bottom. The Warhound would have ruined the rest of the matchups and especially  v  . You were trying to make fun out of me, but thats actually the whole point. You either have to remove roaches/infestors/zealots/etc that reduce the complexity of other two races or give terran a unit/units that could make them just as forgiving as protoss and zerg. From what I'm seeing, that's not the case. Making Terran race equal to other races only on high korean level is a sign of very poor design game. We both see the same problem, we just have different ideal solutions. You want  to stoop down to the level of  and  . I want Blizz to bring  and  up to the level of  (nerfing Fungal, replacing Colossus, etc etc) | ||
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							Vindicare605
							
							
						 
						United States16095 Posts
						 On September 16 2012 00:06 Huragius wrote: Show nested quote + On September 15 2012 23:56 SarcasmMonster wrote: On September 15 2012 23:53 Huragius wrote: On September 15 2012 23:43 SarcasmMonster wrote: It's depressing to watch people defending the Warhound. It would have ruined HOTS. Roaches ruined PvZ. Infestors ruined TvZ. Zealots and Marauders made TvP/PvT very so-so match-up. I can't see Warhound doing anything worse to the game than any of those mentioned units. Maybe they were too strong, but such design unit was needed for Terran.  and  has shitty units therefore  should get shitty units is a race to the bottom. The Warhound would have ruined the rest of the matchups and especially  v  . You were trying to make fun out of me, but thats actually the whole point. You either have to remove roaches/infestors/zealots/etc that reduce the complexity of other two races or give terran a unit/units that could make them just as forgiving as protoss and zerg. From what I'm seeing, that's not the case. Making Terran race equal to other races only on high korean level is a sign of very poor design game. Keeping Terran as the "high skill cap" race is a better alternative to ruining the things about Terran that make them fun to watch and play. I'd love to see Blizz go back and some of things with Infestors, Roaches, and Collosus that make Zerg and Protoss overly forgiving. But giving Terrans a stupid unit like Warhound only makes the game worse in this regard, not better. | ||
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							Sroobz
							
							
						 
						United States1377 Posts
						 On September 16 2012 00:09 SarcasmMonster wrote: Show nested quote + On September 16 2012 00:06 Huragius wrote: On September 15 2012 23:56 SarcasmMonster wrote: On September 15 2012 23:53 Huragius wrote: On September 15 2012 23:43 SarcasmMonster wrote: It's depressing to watch people defending the Warhound. It would have ruined HOTS. Roaches ruined PvZ. Infestors ruined TvZ. Zealots and Marauders made TvP/PvT very so-so match-up. I can't see Warhound doing anything worse to the game than any of those mentioned units. Maybe they were too strong, but such design unit was needed for Terran.  and  has shitty units therefore  should get shitty units is a race to the bottom. The Warhound would have ruined the rest of the matchups and especially  v  . You were trying to make fun out of me, but thats actually the whole point. You either have to remove roaches/infestors/zealots/etc that reduce the complexity of other two races or give terran a unit/units that could make them just as forgiving as protoss and zerg. From what I'm seeing, that's not the case. Making Terran race equal to other races only on high korean level is a sign of very poor design game. We both see the same problem, we just have different ideal solutions. You want  to stoop down to the level of  and  . I want Blizz to bring  and  up to the level of  (nerfing Fungal, replacing Colossus, etc etc) This is exactly what I want. | ||
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							Hider
							
							
						 
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