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HOTS Patch notes [9/14/2012] - Page 42

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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
September 14 2012 22:15 GMT
#821
On September 15 2012 06:57 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 06:56 nam nam wrote:
They'll just add the vulture in a patch.


Better not add any more BW units without putting reaver in first!!

Replace the Void Ray with the Scout. This is a must.

...

Just kidding. Could you imagine?
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
September 14 2012 22:16 GMT
#822
also wtf Blizzard. the widow mine isn't going to be able to fill the hole left by the warhound. terran practically has the same WoL unit compositions, now with an overpowered reaper TvT build.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
September 14 2012 22:16 GMT
#823
On September 15 2012 07:14 Gamegene wrote:
...? why give immortals the ability to protect themselves against a unit that doesn't exist

Probably in case they decide to reuse the unit or ability or just decide to stick it in single player so might as well fix the shield thing right now while their at it.
Cackle™
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
September 14 2012 22:17 GMT
#824
On September 15 2012 07:14 PauseBreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 07:12 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
On September 15 2012 03:17 skiersteve wrote:
why are people so happy about the carrier? am i missing something, i hardly ever see it in pro matches and i honestly can say out of my 900 1v1 games starting from silver league to now masters ive been up againist carriers maybe 3 or 4 times .. why keep a unit no one uses?



It's an iconic unit, like a Zealot, DT, Seige Tank, Hydra or Marine.


So does that make it a good unit? You understand that the community just convinced Blizzard to get a trash unit back just for the sake of "nonsensical BW nostalgia."

Hydras are trash and still in the game, BC's are rarely ever used and still in the game. The carrier is there for not only BW Nostalgia but lower league players can still get away with fucking around with them! Their a fun unit, just because you're not gonna see them every game at a pro level doesn't mean the unit can't be in the game...

What does it hurt having the unit in the game? Absolutely fucking nothing.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
September 14 2012 22:18 GMT
#825
On September 15 2012 07:14 Gamegene wrote:
...? why give immortals the ability to protect themselves against a unit that doesn't exist

For the 1000th time, they will bring back the Warhound, probably, with the same ability, but the design will be different. This way Terran has only one new unit, it has to have at least one more, and that will be the new Warhound.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 22:20:55
September 14 2012 22:19 GMT
#826
I'd like Terran changes that don't revolve around the Reaper. As is right now, the reaper changes are just going to make everyone go 2 barracks tech lab again in TvT zzzZZZzzzz. with the sight change, you can't early expand and block the reaper from jumping up and killing your two marines.

Please Blizzard focus on non mirror match ups first and don't make TvT extremely retarded again with this reaper equivilant of the BFH Drop.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
HowardRoark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
1146 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 22:26:54
September 14 2012 22:19 GMT
#827
Carrier is back, hope it is removed again. I was hoping for a complete overhaul of P including removal of units like these that does not work.

How can people be glad it is back? Does not fit in Star2 P, it did fit in BW P, but that was a completely different game!!!
"It is really good to get the double observatory if you want to get the speed and sight range for the observer simultaneously. It's a little bit of an advanced tactic, and by advanced, I mean really fucking bad."
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
September 14 2012 22:19 GMT
#828
On September 15 2012 07:16 Gamegene wrote:
also wtf Blizzard. the widow mine isn't going to be able to fill the hole left by the warhound. terran practically has the same WoL unit compositions, now with an overpowered reaper TvT build.

Battle hellions rape the fuck out of zealots(Charge or otherwise) and I don't think people ever got around to using widow mines to their full potential yet due to how easy it was to just mass warhounds. Give it some time you might be surprised at how different the unit compositions are.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
CruelZeratul
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany4588 Posts
September 14 2012 22:20 GMT
#829
As usual Blizzard doesn't fuck up, great to see (they even save D3 bit by bit). I especially like the new Oracle ability. At the end of the beta HotS will be great as WoL is (...yes, every game has is wealk points, but overall it's great!).
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
September 14 2012 22:21 GMT
#830
On September 15 2012 07:17 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 07:14 PauseBreak wrote:
On September 15 2012 07:12 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
On September 15 2012 03:17 skiersteve wrote:
why are people so happy about the carrier? am i missing something, i hardly ever see it in pro matches and i honestly can say out of my 900 1v1 games starting from silver league to now masters ive been up againist carriers maybe 3 or 4 times .. why keep a unit no one uses?



It's an iconic unit, like a Zealot, DT, Seige Tank, Hydra or Marine.


So does that make it a good unit? You understand that the community just convinced Blizzard to get a trash unit back just for the sake of "nonsensical BW nostalgia."

Hydras are trash and still in the game, BC's are rarely ever used and still in the game. The carrier is there for not only BW Nostalgia but lower league players can still get away with fucking around with them! Their a fun unit, just because you're not gonna see them every game at a pro level doesn't mean the unit can't be in the game...

What does it hurt having the unit in the game? Absolutely fucking nothing.


And it makes games where pros build them just a lot more awesome (or hilarious).
LiquipediaWanderer
awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
September 14 2012 22:21 GMT
#831
I do hope they'll consider buffing the Carrier. For whatever reason, they've never made any attempt whatsoever to make it even somewhat more viable. I'm not even talking "stats" in the sense of bringing back BW micro or giving them more range or whatever. Like, play with their cost or build time a little bit. Nothing nuts. Just take it down to be somewhat more comparable to other capital ships and t3 massive units and see what happens. Thats what Beta is for right?
He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC
PauseBreak
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States270 Posts
September 14 2012 22:21 GMT
#832
On September 15 2012 07:17 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 07:14 PauseBreak wrote:
On September 15 2012 07:12 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
On September 15 2012 03:17 skiersteve wrote:
why are people so happy about the carrier? am i missing something, i hardly ever see it in pro matches and i honestly can say out of my 900 1v1 games starting from silver league to now masters ive been up againist carriers maybe 3 or 4 times .. why keep a unit no one uses?



It's an iconic unit, like a Zealot, DT, Seige Tank, Hydra or Marine.


So does that make it a good unit? You understand that the community just convinced Blizzard to get a trash unit back just for the sake of "nonsensical BW nostalgia."

Hydras are trash and still in the game, BC's are rarely ever used and still in the game. The carrier is there for not only BW Nostalgia but lower league players can still get away with fucking around with them! Their a fun unit, just because you're not gonna see them every game at a pro level doesn't mean the unit can't be in the game...

What does it hurt having the unit in the game? Absolutely fucking nothing.



Blizzard has/is fixing the hydra.
Blizzard has/is fixing the BC.
Blizzard has still refused to fix the Carrier.
NKexquisite
Profile Joined January 2009
United States911 Posts
September 14 2012 22:22 GMT
#833
Terran can't have 1a units. Thats only for other races. If every race had a 1a unit, well...

On another note... Another new ability for Reaper, still useless as shit.
Whattttt Upppppppp Im Nesteaaaaaa!!
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
September 14 2012 22:22 GMT
#834
yay David Kim! I`m glad they are making drastic changes to test things out. As much as we complain about balance and what not, Blizzard usually gets it right eventually. Unit design is another thing though.
Hellboy.100
Profile Joined June 2011
Slovenia135 Posts
September 14 2012 22:23 GMT
#835
I hope they don't overdue with the reaper high ground vision, cause it could become very abusive unit regarding 1 base allins.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
September 14 2012 22:23 GMT
#836
On September 15 2012 07:19 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 07:16 Gamegene wrote:
also wtf Blizzard. the widow mine isn't going to be able to fill the hole left by the warhound. terran practically has the same WoL unit compositions, now with an overpowered reaper TvT build.

Battle hellions rape the fuck out of zealots(Charge or otherwise) and I don't think people ever got around to using widow mines to their full potential yet due to how easy it was to just mass warhounds. Give it some time you might be surprised at how different the unit compositions are.


The problem with widow mines is that they cost 2 supply each, and don't do a lot of splash damage, meaning that your supply is going to be very inefficient in the late game.

Having around 10 widow mines is literally 20 supply not invested in your army. Don't see why anyone would do this if they're meching, when it's better to have that supply filled up with tanks, thors and battle hellions.

2 burrowed banelings would accomplish the same thing and more than a widow mine zzzZZZ
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
lowercase
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1047 Posts
September 14 2012 22:23 GMT
#837
On September 15 2012 07:17 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
What does it hurt having the unit in the game? Absolutely fucking nothing.


Even BW had plenty of units that were very rarely made (devourer, dark archon, valkyrie, etc), but these allowed spectators to get really, really excited every time they were.
That is not dead which can eternal lie...
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
September 14 2012 22:23 GMT
#838
On September 15 2012 07:19 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 07:16 Gamegene wrote:
also wtf Blizzard. the widow mine isn't going to be able to fill the hole left by the warhound. terran practically has the same WoL unit compositions, now with an overpowered reaper TvT build.

Battle hellions rape the fuck out of zealots(Charge or otherwise) and I don't think people ever got around to using widow mines to their full potential yet due to how easy it was to just mass warhounds. Give it some time you might be surprised at how different the unit compositions are.

I'm not convinced that 0/0 Battle Hellions hold up to 3/3 Chargelots. If you upgrade mech your bio sucks. If you go mech good luck going tanks against Toss who now has a new capital ship that outranges tanks.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
September 14 2012 22:24 GMT
#839
On September 15 2012 07:21 PauseBreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 07:17 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On September 15 2012 07:14 PauseBreak wrote:
On September 15 2012 07:12 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
On September 15 2012 03:17 skiersteve wrote:
why are people so happy about the carrier? am i missing something, i hardly ever see it in pro matches and i honestly can say out of my 900 1v1 games starting from silver league to now masters ive been up againist carriers maybe 3 or 4 times .. why keep a unit no one uses?



It's an iconic unit, like a Zealot, DT, Seige Tank, Hydra or Marine.


So does that make it a good unit? You understand that the community just convinced Blizzard to get a trash unit back just for the sake of "nonsensical BW nostalgia."

Hydras are trash and still in the game, BC's are rarely ever used and still in the game. The carrier is there for not only BW Nostalgia but lower league players can still get away with fucking around with them! Their a fun unit, just because you're not gonna see them every game at a pro level doesn't mean the unit can't be in the game...

What does it hurt having the unit in the game? Absolutely fucking nothing.



Blizzard has/is fixing the hydra.
Blizzard has/is fixing the BC.
Blizzard has still refused to fix the Carrier.

It's still very early in the beta, lots of time to try fixing the carrier. and again, what is the problem with having it in the game? It doesn't hurt anything or anyone by having it there.... its an iconic unit for Starcraft and it can still be used in pro games to awesome/hilarious effect(As said by someone earlier) So seriously, why do you care so much about the carrier being back???
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
deathabene
Profile Joined August 2011
Denmark83 Posts
September 14 2012 22:26 GMT
#840
what it most be a joke that the warhound it removed i mean yeah it was op but still do they still want terran to go bio vs protoss?!
are u ready for bombing?
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