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Coffeeling
Finland250 Posts
<Blizzard> We're still stubbornly clinging to the idea of a no-kill harassment unit, here's tweaks while we try to get this gimmicky abomination to work <Blizzard> For some reason people don't want to use 2-pop Spider Mines. We think making them not require Armory will help things <Blizzard> In other news, we still won't redesign toss so they'd have solid fundamentals. We'd rather make gimmicks instead. <Blizzard> We also still hate Tanks. Tanks need to be crap | ||
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Irre
United States646 Posts
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thejamster
Canada71 Posts
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trbot
Canada142 Posts
On September 15 2012 05:06 wcr.4fun wrote: Mech is back where it used to be though. The mine and battle hellions alone aren't enough. The siege tank needs to be stronger! Given that battle hellions completely melt chargelots, I'm not sure this statement is justified, yet... | ||
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RaZorwire
Sweden718 Posts
I know you don't get to hear it nearly often enough these days, so I'll just say it; keep up the good work.  | ||
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xxzephyrxx
United States1 Post
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On September 15 2012 05:08 trbot wrote: Given that battle hellions completely melt chargelots, I'm not sure this statement is justified, yet... It isn't justified, people just like to talk out of their ass... Blizzard even said that they will give back the Warhound to the Terran after they redesign it, people still just like to cry, like it is the end of the world. I am pretty sure that HOTS is going to be awesome! | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12023 Posts
On September 15 2012 05:07 niteReloaded wrote: When I read things like "The tempest is now a specific counter-unit against massive units." - I know the game is going to fail. Well it was kind of designed to counter mass mass broodlord but it'll have other uses too, just means it'll do bonus to massive. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 15 2012 05:03 Sroobz wrote: We've seen the top Terrans in the world say that they would NEVER go mech in TvP because it's horrible at the moment. Do they have battle hellions, because those sound pretty good? Also untested since the warhound was the cure to cancer. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20319 Posts
How about a mech unit that deals light damage to GROUND units but doesn't get raped by Immortals? Takes an immortal (250/100) 34 seconds to kill 4 battle hellions (400/0), and light ground units dont really exist when a blob of them is around | ||
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trbot
Canada142 Posts
On September 15 2012 05:08 Coffee Zombie wrote: <Blizzard> We refuse to put in BW-esque units so we'll remove the Warhound despite the fact that the original Goliath-style design would've been one of the things Terran Mech actually needed <Blizzard> We're still stubbornly clinging to the idea of a no-kill harassment unit, here's tweaks while we try to get this gimmicky abomination to work <Blizzard> For some reason people don't want to use 2-pop Spider Mines. We think making them not require Armory will help things <Blizzard> In other news, we still won't redesign toss so they'd have solid fundamentals. We'd rather make gimmicks instead. <Blizzard> We also still hate Tanks. Tanks need to be crap This is a very naive statement. Tanks don't overkill things in SC2. Combine that with pathing engine improvements, and tanks are FAR more deadly in a big clump than they were in BW. In BW, you could drop units one at a time in front of 20 tanks and have every single tank waste its seige fire on one unit, repeatedly, while you run your army up and kill everything. After better pathing and smart targeting on tanks, blizzard had to nerf their damage output because they were -far- too strong. As for goliaths, they overlap too much with vikings. Tank goliath battle hellion viking will be too universally strong versus ground and air alike. | ||
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Sroobz
United States1377 Posts
On September 15 2012 05:12 Cyro wrote: Takes an immortal (250/100) 34 seconds to kill 4 battle hellions (400/0), and light ground units dont really exist when a blob of them is around Yeah, but hellions get raped by Colossi, storms, etc. If you give Terran a durable mech unit that does light damage to all of Protoss's units it fixes Terran mech v P | ||
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spbelky
United States623 Posts
On September 15 2012 05:02 AnomalySC2 wrote: Imo, mech IS viable already but it revolves a lot around being constantly active with banshees/hellions and dumping lots of extra minerals into extra orbitals and strategically placed planetaries. In sc2 mech is simple more complex, it's not nearly as straight forward as it was in BW, which is cool because mechanically (no pun intended) the game is easier. If they were to buff tanks then mech would be way over powered, just imo anyways. We're just now starting to see mech vs zerg, and it has only surfaced because players have figured out that banshees are actually a core unit in the style. I think with more time and experimentation it will be figured out vs toss as well (already it's used often in t v t). Anyways, can't say it enough, thank god the warhound is gone. Every WoL TvZ or TvP mech game I've seen where the meching player wins, is never because mech is a viable "good" strategy. They win because their opponent took early damage from hellions or banshees (in which case bio could have killed then just as well) Or they win because their opponent reacted very very poorly (unfamiliar with mech or didn't scout until 12minutes). The games where the Terran goes banshee heavy early on are primarily successful because of the current metagame (also I'm assuming you're talking about MVP's IEM games?) I just don't see mech working except for one of the reasons stated above, or if the Terran player is just simply a league above his opponent. | ||
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On September 15 2012 05:12 Plansix wrote: Do they have battle hellions, because those sound pretty good? Also untested since the warhound was the cure to cancer. No, it was the cancer to mech. Now mech is free to be tested. | ||
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Sroobz
United States1377 Posts
On September 15 2012 05:13 spbelky wrote: Every WoL TvZ or TvP mech game I've seen where the meching player wins, is never because mech is a viable "good" strategy. They win because their opponent took early damage from hellions or banshees (in which case bio could have killed then just as well) Or they win because their opponent reacted very very poorly (unfamiliar with mech or didn't scout until 12minutes). The games where the Terran goes banshee heavy early on are primarily successful because of the current metagame (also I'm assuming you're talking about MVP's IEM games?) I just don't see mech working except for one of the reasons stated above, or if the Terran player is just simply a league above his opponent. This isn't true about TvZ. But it's true in Tvp. | ||
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PXEnTei
United States209 Posts
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
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M7Jagger
Sweden237 Posts
On September 15 2012 05:08 trbot wrote: Given that battle hellions completely melt chargelots, I'm not sure this statement is justified, yet... What about the immortal? It rapes everything that comes out the factory. | ||
iHirO
United Kingdom1381 Posts
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K_Dilkington
Sweden449 Posts
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