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HOTS Patch notes [9/14/2012] - Page 33

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neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
September 14 2012 20:23 GMT
#641
Faith in Blizzard restored.
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
September 14 2012 20:24 GMT
#642
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Rah
Profile Joined February 2010
United States973 Posts
September 14 2012 20:24 GMT
#643
On September 15 2012 05:13 trbot wrote:
As for goliaths, they overlap too much with vikings. Tank goliath battle hellion viking will be too universally strong versus ground and air alike.


uh, no shit, it should be. That army would take so long to build up.. vikings and goliath take gas from tanks you know? Even then it would still come down to positional play with tanks involved, and if you lose an army gl building it back up. That's mech.
Streaming on twitch. http://www.twitch.tv/rahsun86
Secret05
Profile Joined August 2010
United States342 Posts
September 14 2012 20:25 GMT
#644
On September 15 2012 05:13 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 05:12 Plansix wrote:
On September 15 2012 05:03 Sroobz wrote:
On September 15 2012 05:02 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On September 15 2012 04:57 spbelky wrote:
On September 15 2012 04:49 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On September 15 2012 04:38 Flonomenalz wrote:
If they would just buff tanks... we could have an amazing game.


Tanks don't need any buffs lol. Also, thank god the Warhound is gone.

Yes yes thank god the warhound is gone. But there is still a gaping hole in Mech. Does the Siege Tank need a buff? IDK, but if it's not a buff, anti-siegetank units need a nerf, there are too many of them, and they are too good at nullifying tanks.


Imo, mech IS viable already but it revolves a lot around being constantly active with banshees/hellions and dumping lots of extra minerals into extra orbitals and strategically placed planetaries. In sc2 mech is simple more complex, it's not nearly as straight forward as it was in BW, which is cool because mechanically (no pun intended) the game is easier.

If they were to buff tanks then mech would be way over powered, just imo anyways. We're just now starting to see mech vs zerg, and it has only surfaced because players have figured out that banshees are actually a core unit in the style. I think with more time and experimentation it will be figured out vs toss as well (already it's used often in t v t). Anyways, can't say it enough, thank god the warhound is gone.


We've seen the top Terrans in the world say that they would NEVER go mech in TvP because it's horrible at the moment.


Do they have battle hellions, because those sound pretty good? Also untested since the warhound was the cure to cancer.

No, it was the cancer to mech. Now mech is free to be tested.

Free to be tested? Dude we've tested mech for 2 years now... with the warhound removed, mech is now the same thing as it was in wol. The battle hellion is just a minor transformation to how the hellion shoots and the widow mine is more like an ability than an actual unit. Wol terran and Hots terran basically look identical right now, they need to add a unit to mech that will make mech as good as bio or bio/mech. Right now, bio and bio/mech is better than straight mech. The reason people use mech is because mistakes aren't punished as much as in bio and bio/mech. If you make no mistakes with very high apm, bio/mech and bio will always be better than mech unless they addd a new unit to mech.........
Michigan Zerg Player
Gumbotwins
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands256 Posts
September 14 2012 20:25 GMT
#645
I just pitty the Raven "Nerf" and Bc "Bugg Nerf"
Polt, MMA, MVP. Terran triforce!
WoodLeagueAllStar
Profile Joined August 2012
United States806 Posts
September 14 2012 20:26 GMT
#646
Right now as it stands, Terran is garbage but good thing it won't stand for release so I am not sweating it too much.
Would be sad if they released Terran with a modified hellion, some stupid mines and a Reaper that can shoot up though.

Protoss air is ridonkulous. Many games could be entirely based on air units, fast harassment, spellcasters, teching up to air siege, carriers, recall all over the place. Protoss just became more tactical and more strategic.

Zerg seems a bit boring actually in comparison, they get a decent air unit in Viper, good but boring defense unit or push unit and the burrowing Ultras attack but kind of meh.

Protoss just crashed the HotS party with two hot call girls on each arm and buying the whole room Crystal Champagne.
In 1984, I was hospitalized for approaching perfection. --Random Rules
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
September 14 2012 20:26 GMT
#647
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Siggen
Profile Joined November 2011
143 Posts
September 14 2012 20:27 GMT
#648
GJ Blizzard!

Now more beta keys please!!!
EzZzZzZz
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada25 Posts
September 14 2012 20:27 GMT
#649
Wow, they really removed the warhound?! It seems rather fast considering it IS the beta.. but its good to see blizzard is actively adjusting to what the community wants On a random note, they say cool a lot.
I love potatoes
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
September 14 2012 20:28 GMT
#650
On September 15 2012 05:26 monkybone wrote:
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On September 15 2012 04:51 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Give a mech spell caster

It also has an ability to place (nerfed) Widow Mines, so you don't need to build them from your factory.


We already have one, it's called the Thor, and the fact that it is a caster is one of the reasons that it is useless.


I refuse to acknowledge the Thor as a mech spellcaster.
MMA: The true King of Wings
pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
September 14 2012 20:28 GMT
#651
It's Good that they removed the Warhound..
Now I don't have to bother with Terran Mech Anymore...Bio Balls here I Come.
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
stanishiwa
Profile Joined September 2012
Malaysia2 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 20:29:39
September 14 2012 20:28 GMT
#652
Awesome temporary patch. WH will be back but hopefully in a more balanced state. Watching White Ra lose to all those WH all ins was sickening despite having lots of sentries,zealots and one or two immortals.

They killed sentries and stalkers so fast it was wasn't funny. Every opening was fast chargelots. FE and you die.

Supply wise 2 is rather low for WH. WH maxed army higher than the Toss army by 20%!
Of course P have to make air to counter this WH but this is too difficult in early game.

Air is good for Toss now. Carrier with some tweaks even better but will be quite OP in multiplayer IMO. Already quite badass with recall[ican imagine]
I'm not racist- i hate all of them equally
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
September 14 2012 20:28 GMT
#653
On September 15 2012 05:18 BadAim wrote:
Well well, the Terran nerf hammer hits us again... Why dont they just remove stim?!




Think of it this way, you had to be OP in order to get nerfed :p
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Gumbotwins
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands256 Posts
September 14 2012 20:28 GMT
#654
Didn't there community manager say they would send keys this week? that has to be today then?
Polt, MMA, MVP. Terran triforce!
Scila
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1849 Posts
September 14 2012 20:29 GMT
#655
Well Terran is going to need some serious help now. Although Warhound was a terribly-designed unit it is the #1 reason Terran was doing so well in the pro streams I watched. I really, really hope they buff tanks and make them the core of mech again. Make Warhound a support unit that helps tanks deal with Immortals and Ultralisks (their biggest problems).
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
September 14 2012 20:30 GMT
#656
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trbot
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada142 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 20:35:30
September 14 2012 20:32 GMT
#657
On September 15 2012 05:24 Rah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 05:13 trbot wrote:
As for goliaths, they overlap too much with vikings. Tank goliath battle hellion viking will be too universally strong versus ground and air alike.


uh, no shit, it should be. That army would take so long to build up.. vikings and goliath take gas from tanks you know? Even then it would still come down to positional play with tanks involved, and if you lose an army gl building it back up. That's mech.


mech should be formidable and difficult to break. it shouldn't be impossible to break.

think of broodlord infestor corruptor. it's essentially equivalent of mech for zerg, but while it's formidable and difficult to break, it's not impossible. if you have mass tank, air is the only viable response. (i challenge you to crash any 200/200 protoss ground army into mass tank. the result isn't close. well, maxed pure immortal almost does okay, but tanks still win handily.) then, if you have an abundance of anti-air weaponry, the fight is just hopeless. i'm only speculating, since we haven't seen how it would play out, but it sounds like a bad idea to me. i could be wrong.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24591 Posts
September 14 2012 20:32 GMT
#658
These changes are so amazingly huge though, it almost feels like a bit too much.
Genome852
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States979 Posts
September 14 2012 20:32 GMT
#659
Are they planning to replace any removed units?
Garmer
Profile Joined October 2010
1286 Posts
September 14 2012 20:32 GMT
#660
and thor is slow and boring
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