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soverRR
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden348 Posts
March 03 2012 17:21 GMT
#61
On March 03 2012 14:33 Bibbit wrote:

24 - The hardest of the three imo but theres really no trick to it that I can think of. Just take your stalkers and queue up some focus fires on some roaches then start blinking away almost-dead stalkers. Make sure to queue down some more dudes when your first queues are about done, especially since the stalkers you've blunked back start doing their own thing. Again no trick, just practice !


Not necessary, this achivement is way easier than that. I tried to use some fancy focusing fire at first, but you don't need to. Just a-move all stalkers behind the roaches, then blink red stalkers back and a-move them in the same manner. As long as you keep slight attention and doesn't get any red stalkers hit, you don't need any focusfire at all. You'll be left with one stalker who never needed to blink, a bunch of red ones and an achivement.
Kernkraft
Profile Joined April 2011
93 Posts
March 03 2012 18:06 GMT
#62
Can someone upload the map. Some levels are alot harder that in the Tutorial videos and I cant get past the Storm Challenge because there are 2x as many marines and they are spread out more...Impossible to hit with 2 Storms
corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
March 03 2012 18:30 GMT
#63
On March 04 2012 02:21 soverRR wrote:
Not necessary, this achivement is way easier than that. I tried to use some fancy focusing fire at first, but you don't need to. Just a-move all stalkers behind the roaches, then blink red stalkers back and a-move them in the same manner. As long as you keep slight attention and doesn't get any red stalkers hit, you don't need any focusfire at all. You'll be left with one stalker who never needed to blink, a bunch of red ones and an achivement.


You're right that there's no focus fire necessary, but you're a little off on the tip. You actually should try to blink right before you run out of shields, not when they're in the red; that way, once you've cycled through all of your stalkers and the ones that have already blinked are in front again, they'll survive long enough that the blink CD will come back up and you can save them.

On March 04 2012 03:06 Kernkraft wrote:
Can someone upload the map. Some levels are alot harder that in the Tutorial videos and I cant get past the Storm Challenge because there are 2x as many marines and they are spread out more...Impossible to hit with 2 Storms


The trick is to start running away right away, the marines will stay clumped up if you do, but if you let them get too close some will stop to shoot and then they start spreading while the ones in back try to get around the ones that are firing.
From the void I am born into wave and particle
soverRR
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden348 Posts
March 03 2012 18:42 GMT
#64
On March 04 2012 03:30 corpuscle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 02:21 soverRR wrote:
Not necessary, this achivement is way easier than that. I tried to use some fancy focusing fire at first, but you don't need to. Just a-move all stalkers behind the roaches, then blink red stalkers back and a-move them in the same manner. As long as you keep slight attention and doesn't get any red stalkers hit, you don't need any focusfire at all. You'll be left with one stalker who never needed to blink, a bunch of red ones and an achivement.


You're right that there's no focus fire necessary, but you're a little off on the tip. You actually should try to blink right before you run out of shields, not when they're in the red; that way, once you've cycled through all of your stalkers and the ones that have already blinked are in front again, they'll survive long enough that the blink CD will come back up and you can save them.


Don't see any reason, that'd just add unecessary micro and take longer time. If you blink when they're red they tank longer, and the roaches wont have time to cycle through your stalkers, one wont even have to move.
soverRR
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden348 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 18:50:50
March 03 2012 18:48 GMT
#65
Also, about beating level 30, this might have been just sheer dumb luck, but after 20 minutes try and failing hard most of the time, I decided that I should play a few rounds while really getting the feel of the tactic, and only try to lift/drop as many times as possible without caring about the stalkers. First try, I managed it, quite handedly, with 1.3 stalkers left my dropship died but my tank had full hp and cleared the remaining two.

All I'm saying is, if you have trouble with this map, just try to lift/drop as many times as possible. Might be that I had amazing luck and this tip is worthless, might be that I've cracked the challenge. I've honestly no idea. Just a friendly note in case you, like me, was getting frustrated after trying a 100+ times or so, and any tip is welcome.
soverRR
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden348 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 18:51:35
March 03 2012 18:50 GMT
#66
(quoted instead of edited previous post, is there really no remove post button here?)
EienShinwa
Profile Joined May 2010
United States655 Posts
March 03 2012 19:28 GMT
#67
For Round 12:
This one is really tricky, as you are against the clock on this one (I barely beat this with less than a second to spare, took about 30+ tries, be patient). You gotta aim for the sweet spots that a)both tanks hit and b) hits the most marines. Hit the bottom left of each group of marines (one IT each should blow up 1 marine and damage 2-3 more). Then hit the bottom mid of each group again(this should leave 1 or 2 marines in each group left). The most important thing is to use only 3 infested terrans for the marines (6 altogether), leaving 2 infesteds to kill the tanks. The 2 infesteds to kill the tanks need to be placed perfectly between them. The hardest part is fitting all of this within the time limit of 50 seconds, which goes by insanely fast. As a result, you need to time each infested perfectly, as in every time the tanks can shoot again (every 3 ingame seconds).
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches. Alice Roosevelt Longworth
corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
March 03 2012 19:56 GMT
#68
On March 04 2012 03:42 soverRR wrote:

Don't see any reason, that'd just add unecessary micro and take longer time. If you blink when they're red they tank longer, and the roaches wont have time to cycle through your stalkers, one wont even have to move.


Can't get the achievement if you wait that long to blink, though. I think it's actually easier to blink when they're out of shields since if you're too late you still have some health to buffer, but I guess that's just me. My way is the generally accepted method of blink micro, though.
From the void I am born into wave and particle
CriscoTroll
Profile Joined October 2010
24 Posts
March 03 2012 20:08 GMT
#69
everything in this map is super easy except the final level IMO.
Kernkraft
Profile Joined April 2011
93 Posts
March 03 2012 20:20 GMT
#70
On March 04 2012 03:30 corpuscle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 02:21 soverRR wrote:
Not necessary, this achivement is way easier than that. I tried to use some fancy focusing fire at first, but you don't need to. Just a-move all stalkers behind the roaches, then blink red stalkers back and a-move them in the same manner. As long as you keep slight attention and doesn't get any red stalkers hit, you don't need any focusfire at all. You'll be left with one stalker who never needed to blink, a bunch of red ones and an achivement.


You're right that there's no focus fire necessary, but you're a little off on the tip. You actually should try to blink right before you run out of shields, not when they're in the red; that way, once you've cycled through all of your stalkers and the ones that have already blinked are in front again, they'll survive long enough that the blink CD will come back up and you can save them.

Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 03:06 Kernkraft wrote:
Can someone upload the map. Some levels are alot harder that in the Tutorial videos and I cant get past the Storm Challenge because there are 2x as many marines and they are spread out more...Impossible to hit with 2 Storms


The trick is to start running away right away, the marines will stay clumped up if you do, but if you let them get too close some will stop to shoot and then they start spreading while the ones in back try to get around the ones that are firing.


I have a different map. Almost every Challenge has a little difference.
Different map layout
No lingspeed in the Burrow level.
Hydras instead of Stalkers vs the Spine.
etc.
And twice as much marines in the HT level. Ive watched the tutorial video and the map layout is different. There is no way to win this challenge.
Please can someone just upload the other version so i can play it normally
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
March 03 2012 20:27 GMT
#71
Holy fucking shit the person that put the warp and reset button where they are is a fucking moron. Don't know how many times I clicked those fucking button when trying to micro my banshee. Doesn't help that the banshee is retarded sometimes and does a small turn instead of just turn around on the spot and fire.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 03 2012 21:04 GMT
#72
you guys get a medal, thanks for this! I couldn't do the banelings one at all!
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 21:19:41
March 03 2012 21:14 GMT
#73
On Let's Dance it's much easier to pull the two marines back far enough where you have enough time to shift queue them in circles and adjust, rather than issue each individual command on the spot.

The Roach achievement requires individual hotkeys on each roach, or really fast shift click control group micro. When roach #1 gets down to red, burrow it and unburrow as the next roach is targeted. When roach #2 gets to red health, burrow roach #1 and #2, and unburrow them when roach #3 is finally targeted. When roach #3 gets to red health, burrow all three. After a few seconds while the bunker is burning, unburrow roach #1, then a split second later unburrow roaches #2 and #3 so roach #1 with the most health draws all the fire, then proceed to win. The marines shouldn't be able to kill any of the roaches as long as they arent focus firing.
corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 21:16:14
March 03 2012 21:15 GMT
#74
On March 04 2012 06:04 Torte de Lini wrote:
you guys get a medal, thanks for this! I couldn't do the banelings one at all!


Yeah, that was one of the ones I struggled with most, figuring out that you have to use hold position was such a huge help. I'm used to splitting marines, which don't try to smash their face into banelings after you carefully spread them D:


Holy fucking shit the person that put the warp and reset button where they are is a fucking moron. Don't know how many times I clicked those fucking button when trying to micro my banshee. Doesn't help that the banshee is retarded sometimes and does a small turn instead of just turn around on the spot and fire.


If the banshee's turning without shooting, it's out of range, that's not a bug.
From the void I am born into wave and particle
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 03 2012 21:28 GMT
#75
The last one is impossible. I shift-queue hold position for my medivac so it doesn't move. But when I move the tank up and down it desyncs the stalkers so my medivac still gets hit or I can't dodge all their lasers. It's really pissing me off.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Shankapotamus
Profile Joined May 2010
United States428 Posts
March 03 2012 21:30 GMT
#76
On March 04 2012 01:04 DrAbuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 00:14 FeiLing wrote:
Round 29 - Let's Dance:
(much easiest way for sure)



Very simple:
-Hotkey left Marine to 1.
-Hotkey right Marine to 2.
-Ready/Start.
-Spam right click/move to the top middle in the arena while also spamming the unit hotkeys (1,2,1,2,1,2,...).
-Select both moving Marines with the mouse and run them together around the leftover Marine in circles just like you did it in Round 1 (!!!). Easy peasy.


Why this hotkeys-nonsense... just select both marines that are attacked by zealots and make them run circles.


it's so that the marines to stay apart from each other, no magic box
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
March 03 2012 21:31 GMT
#77
On March 04 2012 06:28 Torte de Lini wrote:
The last one is impossible. I shift-queue hold position for my medivac so it doesn't move. But when I move the tank up and down it desyncs the stalkers so my medivac still gets hit or I can't dodge all their lasers. It's really pissing me off.


You can resync them by flying the tank in the medivac a few feet back and force the stalkers to move between their firing cooldown, but it's kinda random and you have to re-hold position the medivac really fast. And you only have enough room to do it twice.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
March 03 2012 21:48 GMT
#78
Can somebody tell me how to get to this?
I thought there was a thread about how to open the Master Challenge Arena, but I can't find it anymore.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 21:51:52
March 03 2012 21:50 GMT
#79
On March 04 2012 06:28 Torte de Lini wrote:
The last one is impossible. I shift-queue hold position for my medivac so it doesn't move. But when I move the tank up and down it desyncs the stalkers so my medivac still gets hit or I can't dodge all their lasers. It's really pissing me off.


I just spammed hold position on my medivac the whole time to keep it in place. It's a little tricky to get the hang of doing everything while mashing H, but it's the easiest approach I could find.

I don't think there's any way to avoid desyncing the stalkers, but if you get the timing right you can nearly always get two of them to shoot at the tank and then dodge those. Your medivac will lose health, but once the stalkers start dying, it gets exponentially easier to avoid their shots, one stalker should never hit you if you're quick enough.

Can somebody tell me how to get to this?
I thought there was a thread about how to open the Master Challenge Arena, but I can't find it anymore.


It's in the regular Custom Game section. If you go to "Join Game" and then "Featured," it should be at the top of the list.
From the void I am born into wave and particle
Bakkendepao
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands185 Posts
March 03 2012 21:56 GMT
#80
On March 04 2012 05:08 CriscoTroll wrote:
everything in this map is super easy except the final level IMO.

I found 25 pretty hard and the one with marine+tank vs infestor...
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