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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Yeah i think we are legit challengers to City in xG per game, but we just cannot score, all our forwards just make the wrong decisions every single attack.
This isn't a problem of this season, or last season, this stems back to Tuchel times and Lampard, where we were very good box to box and just couldn't score consistently, we threw all our eggs into Lukaku basket and since then we have been utter terrible in front of goal lol.
Then when this is a big problem of not finishing, we have a board who are playing football manager signing all the kids, we still do not fix the problem. Jackson is fine, but he is another player who would need to be in and out of the team getting used to the league and maybe even playing behind a target man or on the wing.
Nkunku in reality looked the answer in pre season, but then again so did Jackson so maybe he wouldn't be the real answer, but we really need to all in January on Ivan Toney and pray he fixes a bit of our issues, if we had a goal scorer we would be doing fine....but we need to face facts and that we do not have a goal scorer so we are in big trouble, Poch could be gone before xmas if this keeps up because the fans will turn on him so fast because of his past with Spuds. I am already annoyed at him for that past and the fact that he plays Colwill over Chilwell at left back which is fucking baffling!!!!!!!!!
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On September 26 2023 01:20 Bacillus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2023 18:31 KobraKay wrote:
Seriously what is going on with chelsea?
Another defeat and no goals (again). I have not watched the games, is this some bad luck patch or? I think their xG is actually pretty high, probably somewhere around 15 at this point. I don't know if it's just the stats being misleading or if their finishing is lacking really bad. Probably a bit of both.
pretty sure you mixed them up with Liverpool, Chelsea are not near the top3 in xG
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Norway28697 Posts
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On September 26 2023 04:11 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2023 01:20 Bacillus wrote:On September 25 2023 18:31 KobraKay wrote:
Seriously what is going on with chelsea?
Another defeat and no goals (again). I have not watched the games, is this some bad luck patch or? I think their xG is actually pretty high, probably somewhere around 15 at this point. I don't know if it's just the stats being misleading or if their finishing is lacking really bad. Probably a bit of both. pretty sure you mixed them up with Liverpool, Chelsea are not near the top3 in xG
I think I overshot a bit. Some stat I found put them somewhere around 12, which is still way better than the measly 5 goals they've actually got. The same source ranked Jackson as the 2nd highest xG in the league (miles behind Haaland though).
With 12 goals they'd probably be sitting somewhere in top 6, which is probably acceptable at this point of the project.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Think was until this week that stat went out a bit due to fact Newcastle scored 8 and Liverpool also managed a good 3 goals.
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I was curious and read about how xG is calculated, and I stumbled on this:
Given large enough sample sizes, it is possible to identify certain players who stand out for their finishing ability, but the large majority of players are close to average. In general terms, what differentiates good forwards isn't so much finishing chances at an above-average rate but generating shots from valuable locations.
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United States10213 Posts
Yeah easily should be fighting for an outside look at top 4 rather than being in the bottom half of the table. Maybe things will click for them when they have a real striker back up top that can convert goals for them.
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Ajax is an even bigger disaster than Chelsea at the moment if you can believe it. 14th in the league with 5 points, 4-0 loss to Feyenoord, director of football fired, chairman of the board stepped down, and a coach who doesn't look like he knows wtf he's doing.
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Didn't Ajax fans also cause a security situation where the game had to be canceled?
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Can we add the director of football went on a surfboard down the amsterdam canal xD thats pretty cool.
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On September 28 2023 01:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Didn't Ajax fans also cause a security situation where the game had to be canceled?
They did. Game was suspended at 3-0 down on Sunday and the final 30 minutes was played out today without public. Imho it shouldn't have been played out and Ajax should just have been given a 6-0 loss. Fuck that shit.
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On September 28 2023 01:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Didn't Ajax fans also cause a security situation where the game had to be canceled?
They're two separate incidents. The KNVB (Dutch FA) has a zero tolerance policy since the end of last season where they stop the game if people start throwing things on the field. Even if it's just a bottle of water. Hooligans abuse this by throwing things on the field when it goes poorly as did the Ajax hooligans last Sunday. After that they also broke into the stadium which is the security incident you're referring to but the march was already postponed at that time.
On September 28 2023 01:44 Pandemona wrote:
Can we add the director of football went on a surfboard down the amsterdam canal xD thats pretty cool.
Hopefully he's better at surfboarding than at buying players.
On September 28 2023 02:02 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2023 01:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Didn't Ajax fans also cause a security situation where the game had to be canceled? They did. Game was suspended at 3-0 down on Sunday and the final 30 minutes was played out today without public. Imho it shouldn't have been played out and Ajax should just have been given a 6-0 loss. Fuck that shit.
I don't think the hooligans care. We've had so many issues with hooliganism for so long I think the only solution is to ban them from the stadiums and enforce it.
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Northern Ireland25875 Posts
I guess purely a stereotype thing, aside from the odd event I hear about I hadn’t realised Holland was such a hooligan hotbed.
Aside from a pretty concerted effort to tackle it after tragedies, I wonder if the relative decline in English hooliganism is as much to do with the traditional hooligan demographics being priced more and more out of the game as anything else.
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On September 28 2023 02:59 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2023 01:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Didn't Ajax fans also cause a security situation where the game had to be canceled? They're two separate incidents. The KNVB (Dutch FA) has a zero tolerance policy since the end of last season where they stop the game if people start throwing things on the field. Even if it's just a bottle of water. Hooligans abuse this by throwing things on the field when it goes poorly as did the Ajax hooligans last Sunday. After that they also broke into the stadium which is the security incident you're referring to but the march was already postponed at that time. Show nested quote +On September 28 2023 01:44 Pandemona wrote:
Can we add the director of football went on a surfboard down the amsterdam canal xD thats pretty cool. Hopefully he's better at surfboarding than at buying players. Show nested quote +On September 28 2023 02:02 Acrofales wrote:On September 28 2023 01:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Didn't Ajax fans also cause a security situation where the game had to be canceled? They did. Game was suspended at 3-0 down on Sunday and the final 30 minutes was played out today without public. Imho it shouldn't have been played out and Ajax should just have been given a 6-0 loss. Fuck that shit. I don't think the hooligans care. We've had so many issues with hooliganism for so long I think the only solution is to ban them from the stadiums and enforce it.
Aren't they already banned and the reason it isn't enforced is because the security either gets threatened by those same hooligans? So you'd need actual police there enforcing it, or you need to enforce the clubs taking it more seriously themselves. Which should be pretty seriously incentivised with a regulatory loss any time the match needs to be canceled due to fireworks or beer cans being tossed into the field or whatever.
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Newcastle beat Man City.... would hate to be a man city player right now, as Pep is probably going apeshit.
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It's the league cup, if there is one competition you can drop out of in the first rounds then it's this one. It was also pretty evident by the line-ups that Pep was not trying to win at all costs.
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"Anything below number One does not exist to me, nor should it to you. Discipline. Mobility. These things are top priorities. If we don't finish first then you have your choices; banishment to Blackpool. Or suicide." Pep, 2017
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Norway28697 Posts
Agreed with Oukka.
I think Pep really wants to win it if he gets to the semi final. But he was complaining about the schedule last week already, so dropping out of the least important competition really early on might be a slight blessing.
I mean, he also wants to win everything. But he'd be more upset about losing if it was the PL, and he'd field a better team then, too.
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Northern Ireland25875 Posts
Seems a win/win for both sides, Man City don’t have to juggle a million competitions and Newcastle advance with a dangerous opponent already out the draw.
Much as I dislike the sportswashing, and the chunk of the Newcastle fanbase who happily sold their soul, for the rest of a great fanbase in a football mad city, surely they should push for one of the domestic cups? The place would get such a lift!
Get back into the CL again, maybe have a decent run there but they’re not going to win it, they’re unlikely to win the Prem, feels an ideal season to really push for a cup
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On September 28 2023 04:12 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2023 02:59 RvB wrote:On September 28 2023 01:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Didn't Ajax fans also cause a security situation where the game had to be canceled? They're two separate incidents. The KNVB (Dutch FA) has a zero tolerance policy since the end of last season where they stop the game if people start throwing things on the field. Even if it's just a bottle of water. Hooligans abuse this by throwing things on the field when it goes poorly as did the Ajax hooligans last Sunday. After that they also broke into the stadium which is the security incident you're referring to but the march was already postponed at that time. On September 28 2023 01:44 Pandemona wrote:
Can we add the director of football went on a surfboard down the amsterdam canal xD thats pretty cool. Hopefully he's better at surfboarding than at buying players. On September 28 2023 02:02 Acrofales wrote:On September 28 2023 01:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Didn't Ajax fans also cause a security situation where the game had to be canceled? They did. Game was suspended at 3-0 down on Sunday and the final 30 minutes was played out today without public. Imho it shouldn't have been played out and Ajax should just have been given a 6-0 loss. Fuck that shit. I don't think the hooligans care. We've had so many issues with hooliganism for so long I think the only solution is to ban them from the stadiums and enforce it. Aren't they already banned and the reason it isn't enforced is because the security either gets threatened by those same hooligans? So you'd need actual police there enforcing it, or you need to enforce the clubs taking it more seriously themselves. Which should be pretty seriously incentivised with a regulatory loss any time the match needs to be canceled due to fireworks or beer cans being tossed into the field or whatever.
The clubs can't really enforce effectively since their only tool is to prevent someone from entering the stadium but it's quite easy to circumvent that. AFAIK what they wanted to do is that the hooligans had to go to the police station every match day and stay there but that ran into legal issues concerning privacy.
On September 28 2023 04:07 WombaT wrote:
I guess purely a stereotype thing, aside from the odd event I hear about I hadn’t realised Holland was such a hooligan hotbed.
Aside from a pretty concerted effort to tackle it after tragedies, I wonder if the relative decline in English hooliganism is as much to do with the traditional hooligan demographics being priced more and more out of the game as anything else.
It's because you only hear about it when the clubs play international games and hooligans aren't much of an issue for the national team. I don't think it has much to do with changing demographics. As in the UK the working class have been priced out of the stadiums for a while now but the issue persists.
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