EPT2022 - 2023 Football Thread - Page 129
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
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DropBear
Australia4436 Posts
On June 06 2023 03:41 Mafe wrote: I dont think the saudi league deals are necessarily supposed to make economic sense. Rather it seems to me that the elephant in the room goes by the name of "sportswashing". The end goal of the sportswashing is the future investment though. They aren't trying to improve their reputation just so they sleep better at night | ||
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Hildegard
Germany348 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8925 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18444 Posts
On June 06 2023 20:00 Hildegard wrote: I mean having two of the four greatest players of all time certainly does help. It opens the league up for other players and coaches to join and in some years we might see a Saudi team win the club world cup. I read somewhere that they try to get Mourinho and after Pep wins the CL maybe twice with City, he might be open to earn an insane amount of money. With no financial limitations who knows how strong that league can become in the long run. Ask the MSL or China how well that strategy actually works. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27386 Posts
Paying a Ronaldo or purportedly a Messi or a Benzema ungodly amounts of money to play in a league nobody’s really going to pay attention This may be a very Western centric view to be fair, I shall concede that’s my lens, I’m unsure of how viewing habits and general attitudes to things like the Saudi league’s are in the Arab and wider Asian sphere If some of the figures bandied around for just those three players and what they are/would be on, you’re probably not far away from what the direct costs of purchasing Newcastle have been thus far | ||
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Hildegard
Germany348 Posts
Edit: And the next - N’Golo Kanté offered salary of up to €100m to join club in Saudi Arabia. Saudi clubs are also pushing to sign Sergio Busquets after his departure from Barcelona and Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, who is leaving Chelsea, and has been approached by Al-Ahli and Al-Shabab. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8925 Posts
for the saudi league to become a top 5 league in football there would have to be a major catastrophe in europe. and by catastrophe i mean something on the scale of a war breaking out in europe and 2 major footballing countries got entirely bombed so that football basically ceased to exist in that country | ||
GTR
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27386 Posts
MLS despite some elitist sniffyness is also a generally growing league, in a market that has lots of potential. You can see they’re getting decent mid-tier South American talent that would have otherwise remained in South America or Mexico 10/15 years ago that wasn’t the case | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Ronaldo is there Messi to follow at 1.2billion over 2 years? Benzema is on his way Ziyech is going Aubemeyang is going Kante has been offered 100million to go Spurs' Son is being targeted for 2024 The reason these players are mentioned is they are all out of contract, they are targeting players out of contract to hit them with big over the top salaries and not have to pay a transfer fee. Edit - Oh i missed Zaha, he is on his way to finalize his deal now he is out of contract in the summer as well. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28894 Posts
The league also has to have some inherent interest tied to it, and the saudi league has absolutely 0 such interest. There are two ways for the Saudi league to become relevant: a) the aforementioned 'they get so many quality players their top teams might legitimately contend for 'best team'', or b) Saudi teams somehow manage to get some arrangement where they become eligible to play in the champions league / some huge changes happen to the structure of international club football and they become included. I don't have the impression people outside France / maybe ex colonies tune in for Ligue 1, and PSG has been one of the most stacked teams in the world for several years now. But most people - even pretty serious football fans, only watch them in the CL, and generally with the hope that they will fail. | ||
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Hildegard
Germany348 Posts
On June 07 2023 04:36 Liquid`Drone wrote: Some great players makes no difference to me. The market is plenty saturated, unless the quality of the teams actually surpasses that of the great european leagues it's still an irrelevant league. The league also has to have some inherent interest tied to it, and the saudi league has absolutely 0 such interest. There are two ways for the Saudi league to become relevant: a) the aforementioned 'they get so many quality players their top teams might legitimately contend for 'best team'', or b) Saudi teams somehow manage to get some arrangement where they become eligible to play in the champions league / some huge changes happen to the structure of international club football and they become included. I don't have the impression people outside France / maybe ex colonies tune in for Ligue 1, and PSG has been one of the most stacked teams in the world for several years now. But most people - even pretty serious football fans, only watch them in the CL, and generally with the hope that they will fail. Most people watch only their national league, CL and maybe the Premier League. Spain was different during the Messi/Ronaldo era, but I doubt they can retain that interest for much longer. Muslim friends of mine often root for Muslim players or clubs/national teams from Muslim countries. Viewers follow stars and stars (often) follow money, and we have witnessed many times that few fans care about ethics or sport washing as long as stars are bought.With (or if) Messi joining months after becoming world champion in probably the best final in world cup history, that league certainly enough credibility for others to follow. Plus, the Asian Champions League is growing in popularity and Al-Hilal won in 2021 and made it to the 2022 finals. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
on a side note, the saudis are just trying and forcing their way into everything, so i would not be surprised if europe eventually gives in (CL etc). if anyone's following golf, they've basically forced the PGA into a merger, which i think is a super bad look for anyone associated with the PGA, given how much shit they talked previously. | ||
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RKC
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sharkie
Austria18749 Posts
He was one of the main reasons Argentina won the WC | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6322 Posts
On June 07 2023 04:36 Liquid`Drone wrote: Some great players makes no difference to me. The market is plenty saturated, unless the quality of the teams actually surpasses that of the great european leagues it's still an irrelevant league. The league also has to have some inherent interest tied to it, and the saudi league has absolutely 0 such interest. There are two ways for the Saudi league to become relevant: a) the aforementioned 'they get so many quality players their top teams might legitimately contend for 'best team'', or b) Saudi teams somehow manage to get some arrangement where they become eligible to play in the champions league / some huge changes happen to the structure of international club football and they become included. I don't have the impression people outside France / maybe ex colonies tune in for Ligue 1, and PSG has been one of the most stacked teams in the world for several years now. But most people - even pretty serious football fans, only watch them in the CL, and generally with the hope that they will fail. I doubt westerners like us are the audience they're doing it for. The middle east has a huge amount of people who might be interested in seeing all these stars even if they are old and declining. On June 07 2023 14:33 RKC wrote: Yes, only enlightened Western democracies (EU and USA) are entitled to invest and own top sporting resources (players, clubs, etc). Asia and Africa being backward civilisations should just bugger off, stay in their lane, and stick to street and village football. To guard against sportswashing, cultural appropriation, greed and corruption, yada yada. Got it. I doubt a top down approach by just throwing money at it will work though. It does not look like there is a long term plan behind it. That 500 million can better be invested in youth acadamies and professionalising the clubs. Ronaldo will take his cash for two years and then move back to Portugal leaving Saudi Arabia with nothing. | ||
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Hildegard
Germany348 Posts
On June 07 2023 17:12 RvB wrote: I doubt westerners like us are the audience they're doing it for. The middle east has a huge amount of people who might be interested in seeing all these stars even if they are old and declining. I doubt a top down approach by just throwing money at it will work though. It does not look like there is a long term plan behind it. That 500 million can better be invested in youth acadamies and professionalising the clubs. Ronaldo will take his cash for two years and then move back to Portugal leaving Saudi Arabia with nothing. It worked for the Premier League, but it seems now according to transfermarkt.de that Messi might go to Miami after Apple and Adidas offered shared revenue for streaming / sales or Barcelona. The Saudi offer seems to be postponed for a year. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany7407 Posts
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