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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4341 Posts
July 05 2022 08:24 GMT
#3041
On July 05 2022 16:02 evilfatsh1t wrote:
rumour is its partey

I heard Ben Davies
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51402 Posts
July 05 2022 08:33 GMT
#3042


suarez face LOL
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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16316 Posts
July 05 2022 10:59 GMT
#3043
On July 05 2022 16:05 Bacillus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2022 03:44 Pandemona wrote:
On July 04 2022 21:01 Harris1st wrote:
I for one would love to see CR7 in the Bundesliga but I doubt the transfer fee + wages Bayern wants to invest are up to CR7 standards.

Barca should up the offer for Lewa by another 10 mil in extras over the next two seasons and be done with it. Pretty sure Bayern would accept. They just want their moneys worth and don't want any handouts given for Lewas agent

It's a shame that because i think he would be open to that move. He wants champions league goals to secure the records there, he has that chance at Bayern. He also wants to win and Bayern have a great chance to do that domestically as well. Plus with Bayern and getting Mane in, they will have a lot of "legs" around him. Add in Lewa wants to leave, getting Ronaldo in as a "stop gap" on a 12month deal while you scout out for the next striker makes perfect sense to me.

However, if Bayern don't want to break a wage structure for him then i can understand that, but for me there is A LOT more pluses than that only negative for that deal, as it mainly it gives you 12 months to replace Lewandowski who clearly wants to go.

I like this quite a bit. It makes sense footballing wise and I'm not sure if a short contract even breaks the wage structure that much. You can probably at least try to argue that Ronaldo's case is unique enough and doesn't really set a club wide standard. Of course if it can be used as a leverage, then you'll end up feeling the effects way longer than just the Ronaldo contract, so maybe it's still better safe than sorry on that aspect...

If they really need a hasty stop-gap solution here, it definitely doesn't seem like a bad one. CR7 gets to leave Utd and gets a solid shot at one more UCL run, Bayern gets at least 12 months to fix the striker issue and even United will be compensated quite nicely probably. CR7 also could be a league winner in 4 biggest leagues in Europe.

Sure, but you replace one of the most complete forwards in the game who does a lot without the ball with a guy that does not press or defend at all.
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1898 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-05 12:13:46
July 05 2022 12:01 GMT
#3044
On July 05 2022 19:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2022 16:05 Bacillus wrote:
On July 05 2022 03:44 Pandemona wrote:
On July 04 2022 21:01 Harris1st wrote:
I for one would love to see CR7 in the Bundesliga but I doubt the transfer fee + wages Bayern wants to invest are up to CR7 standards.

Barca should up the offer for Lewa by another 10 mil in extras over the next two seasons and be done with it. Pretty sure Bayern would accept. They just want their moneys worth and don't want any handouts given for Lewas agent

It's a shame that because i think he would be open to that move. He wants champions league goals to secure the records there, he has that chance at Bayern. He also wants to win and Bayern have a great chance to do that domestically as well. Plus with Bayern and getting Mane in, they will have a lot of "legs" around him. Add in Lewa wants to leave, getting Ronaldo in as a "stop gap" on a 12month deal while you scout out for the next striker makes perfect sense to me.

However, if Bayern don't want to break a wage structure for him then i can understand that, but for me there is A LOT more pluses than that only negative for that deal, as it mainly it gives you 12 months to replace Lewandowski who clearly wants to go.

I like this quite a bit. It makes sense footballing wise and I'm not sure if a short contract even breaks the wage structure that much. You can probably at least try to argue that Ronaldo's case is unique enough and doesn't really set a club wide standard. Of course if it can be used as a leverage, then you'll end up feeling the effects way longer than just the Ronaldo contract, so maybe it's still better safe than sorry on that aspect...

If they really need a hasty stop-gap solution here, it definitely doesn't seem like a bad one. CR7 gets to leave Utd and gets a solid shot at one more UCL run, Bayern gets at least 12 months to fix the striker issue and even United will be compensated quite nicely probably. CR7 also could be a league winner in 4 biggest leagues in Europe.

Sure, but you replace one of the most complete forwards in the game who does a lot without the ball with a guy that does not press or defend at all.

Yeah, it could be rough on some parts, but I think Bayern has enough flexible and hard working players to cover up for one Ronaldo if necessary.

The other option is to force Lewa to stay and hope that his work rate and performances stay up, which doesn't seem like a guaranteed thing either.

Finding an actual replacement is cool too, but it could be tough. Juventus, Liverpool and City just took away three highly valued targets and they seem to valued around 80 million or more in current market.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24487 Posts
July 05 2022 12:32 GMT
#3045
On July 05 2022 19:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2022 16:05 Bacillus wrote:
On July 05 2022 03:44 Pandemona wrote:
On July 04 2022 21:01 Harris1st wrote:
I for one would love to see CR7 in the Bundesliga but I doubt the transfer fee + wages Bayern wants to invest are up to CR7 standards.

Barca should up the offer for Lewa by another 10 mil in extras over the next two seasons and be done with it. Pretty sure Bayern would accept. They just want their moneys worth and don't want any handouts given for Lewas agent

It's a shame that because i think he would be open to that move. He wants champions league goals to secure the records there, he has that chance at Bayern. He also wants to win and Bayern have a great chance to do that domestically as well. Plus with Bayern and getting Mane in, they will have a lot of "legs" around him. Add in Lewa wants to leave, getting Ronaldo in as a "stop gap" on a 12month deal while you scout out for the next striker makes perfect sense to me.

However, if Bayern don't want to break a wage structure for him then i can understand that, but for me there is A LOT more pluses than that only negative for that deal, as it mainly it gives you 12 months to replace Lewandowski who clearly wants to go.

I like this quite a bit. It makes sense footballing wise and I'm not sure if a short contract even breaks the wage structure that much. You can probably at least try to argue that Ronaldo's case is unique enough and doesn't really set a club wide standard. Of course if it can be used as a leverage, then you'll end up feeling the effects way longer than just the Ronaldo contract, so maybe it's still better safe than sorry on that aspect...

If they really need a hasty stop-gap solution here, it definitely doesn't seem like a bad one. CR7 gets to leave Utd and gets a solid shot at one more UCL run, Bayern gets at least 12 months to fix the striker issue and even United will be compensated quite nicely probably. CR7 also could be a league winner in 4 biggest leagues in Europe.

Sure, but you replace one of the most complete forwards in the game who does a lot without the ball with a guy that does not press or defend at all.

And Nagelsman is known for not loving heavy pressing.

Ronaldo and Messi are pretty unique cases in they have such a storied profile and such rabid fans of them as players, it’s really difficult to see them come in and be a useful squad player.

I just think it causes more problems than it fixes. Aside from anything else Bayern have been reluctant to give some of their long serving older players longer contracts on similar money, because of their age profile.

If I’m those guys and you bring in Ronaldo on crazy money, who’s older than me, my nose will be a little out of joint.

This is Bayern Munich, I’m sure these guys would enjoy the chance to play with him but they’re not going to be so starstruck or in need of inspiration as say, a club like United who haven’t been a top, top club in a while.

If Lewa does go, and there’s not a like for like similar level of replacement on the market, I’m sure they can just get a stop gap player or even loan one to cover.

Either a classic target man that acts more as a pivot for Sane/Gnabry/Mane to work off, or some kind of Werner-esque pressing machine, or a player in the mould of Firmino that’s as much a creator as a goal scorer. Or play Mane through the middle rather than rotating him around the wide positions.

He’s proven to be basically unpurchasable, and unlikely to be prized now away given he’ll be playing in the Champions League but down the line if only for a few years Bayern could do worse than pick up Harry Kane. He’s one of the most consistent goal scorers in Europe and is very creative to boot
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6824 Posts
July 05 2022 15:21 GMT
#3046
Ronaldo considering a lower wage if he can play for Bayern or Chelsea. Seems he REALLY wants to get out of United
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 05 2022 21:43 GMT
#3047
Well this isn't good.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4220 Posts
July 07 2022 21:04 GMT
#3048
When will we transition to the 22/23 thread?

wow and cronaldo is really forcing a move out of united....there goes the love for the club bla bla bla...united were the only takers with a CL spot at the time.

Bayern would be dumb to take him, his impact on the squad is a lot more than people realise, just look at our national team.
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8614 Posts
July 08 2022 05:02 GMT
#3049
yeah the cr7 fiasco is pretty annoying as a utd fan. dont think hes showing much respect to the club by pushing for a transfer now. its not like he didnt know we werent going to be in the cl at the end of last season. hes essentially wasted a month of transfer planning by coming out now and saying he wants to move. honestly i dont really care if he does, just wish he would have said it earlier if it was going to happen
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18342 Posts
July 08 2022 07:03 GMT
#3050
What transfer planning though?

Maybe he decided to leave after seeing a month of nothing happening at the club?
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1898 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-08 07:05:31
July 08 2022 07:04 GMT
#3051
On July 08 2022 14:02 evilfatsh1t wrote:
yeah the cr7 fiasco is pretty annoying as a utd fan. dont think hes showing much respect to the club by pushing for a transfer now. its not like he didnt know we werent going to be in the cl at the end of last season. hes essentially wasted a month of transfer planning by coming out now and saying he wants to move. honestly i dont really care if he does, just wish he would have said it earlier if it was going to happen

Sometimes wonder how much of these transfer requests are talked inside the club before someone goes public with it. Sometimes it could be beneficial for the club to stay quiet to improve their position when negotiating for a replacement for example. At that point it's respectful from the player not to go public with their intentions right away.

I can absolutely see the players being fickle with their position and having change of heart overnight on some things, but I can also see clubs trying to keep multiple options open for their own safety. It would be amazing to be the fly on the wall on some of some of the more dramatic transfer sagas. For example the Mbabbe saga must have had some outrageous talks going on when even the public part was madness.



evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8614 Posts
July 08 2022 07:22 GMT
#3052
On July 08 2022 16:03 sharkie wrote:
What transfer planning though?

Maybe he decided to leave after seeing a month of nothing happening at the club?

the expectation was that he would stay for the next season. thats what was known to the public before all of this.
naturally then we have 1 less forward position to think about, instead of 2 if we had known he was going to leave earlier. or perhaps ten hag would have to seriously consider relying on the likes of martial again.

the lack of transfer activity is a pathetic excuse imo. did anyone actually believe that we would be getting the likes of haaland to this club? or that we would go and sign neymar because hes a big profile and he is seemingly unwanted at psg?
imo the current situation at the club has been clear for everyone since we dropped out of top 4 last season. pretending like theres been some new revelations since then that has made it clear the club is unsuitable for ronaldo is bullshit. truth is he is just getting cold feet at the thought of actually having to play in the europa league and would rather chase his records then end his career with the club that gave him everything.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9504 Posts
July 08 2022 07:43 GMT
#3053
On July 08 2022 16:22 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2022 16:03 sharkie wrote:
What transfer planning though?

Maybe he decided to leave after seeing a month of nothing happening at the club?

the expectation was that he would stay for the next season. thats what was known to the public before all of this.
naturally then we have 1 less forward position to think about, instead of 2 if we had known he was going to leave earlier. or perhaps ten hag would have to seriously consider relying on the likes of martial again.

the lack of transfer activity is a pathetic excuse imo. did anyone actually believe that we would be getting the likes of haaland to this club? or that we would go and sign neymar because hes a big profile and he is seemingly unwanted at psg?
imo the current situation at the club has been clear for everyone since we dropped out of top 4 last season. pretending like theres been some new revelations since then that has made it clear the club is unsuitable for ronaldo is bullshit. truth is he is just getting cold feet at the thought of actually having to play in the europa league and would rather chase his records then end his career with the club that gave him everything.

And he always came across as such giving, loyal individual.
RIP Meatloaf <3
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18342 Posts
July 08 2022 08:27 GMT
#3054
On July 08 2022 16:22 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2022 16:03 sharkie wrote:
What transfer planning though?

Maybe he decided to leave after seeing a month of nothing happening at the club?

the expectation was that he would stay for the next season. thats what was known to the public before all of this.
naturally then we have 1 less forward position to think about, instead of 2 if we had known he was going to leave earlier. or perhaps ten hag would have to seriously consider relying on the likes of martial again.

the lack of transfer activity is a pathetic excuse imo. did anyone actually believe that we would be getting the likes of haaland to this club? or that we would go and sign neymar because hes a big profile and he is seemingly unwanted at psg?
imo the current situation at the club has been clear for everyone since we dropped out of top 4 last season. pretending like theres been some new revelations since then that has made it clear the club is unsuitable for ronaldo is bullshit. truth is he is just getting cold feet at the thought of actually having to play in the europa league and would rather chase his records then end his career with the club that gave him everything.


You havent signed anyone
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8614 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-08 09:40:06
July 08 2022 09:39 GMT
#3055
On July 08 2022 16:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2022 16:22 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On July 08 2022 16:03 sharkie wrote:
What transfer planning though?

Maybe he decided to leave after seeing a month of nothing happening at the club?

the expectation was that he would stay for the next season. thats what was known to the public before all of this.
naturally then we have 1 less forward position to think about, instead of 2 if we had known he was going to leave earlier. or perhaps ten hag would have to seriously consider relying on the likes of martial again.

the lack of transfer activity is a pathetic excuse imo. did anyone actually believe that we would be getting the likes of haaland to this club? or that we would go and sign neymar because hes a big profile and he is seemingly unwanted at psg?
imo the current situation at the club has been clear for everyone since we dropped out of top 4 last season. pretending like theres been some new revelations since then that has made it clear the club is unsuitable for ronaldo is bullshit. truth is he is just getting cold feet at the thought of actually having to play in the europa league and would rather chase his records then end his career with the club that gave him everything.

And he always came across as such giving, loyal individual.

no he hasnt. but he at least paraded around like he was when he came back to united. not that i bought into that but itd be nice if we could filter out the bullshit.

On July 08 2022 17:27 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2022 16:22 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On July 08 2022 16:03 sharkie wrote:
What transfer planning though?

Maybe he decided to leave after seeing a month of nothing happening at the club?

the expectation was that he would stay for the next season. thats what was known to the public before all of this.
naturally then we have 1 less forward position to think about, instead of 2 if we had known he was going to leave earlier. or perhaps ten hag would have to seriously consider relying on the likes of martial again.

the lack of transfer activity is a pathetic excuse imo. did anyone actually believe that we would be getting the likes of haaland to this club? or that we would go and sign neymar because hes a big profile and he is seemingly unwanted at psg?
imo the current situation at the club has been clear for everyone since we dropped out of top 4 last season. pretending like theres been some new revelations since then that has made it clear the club is unsuitable for ronaldo is bullshit. truth is he is just getting cold feet at the thought of actually having to play in the europa league and would rather chase his records then end his career with the club that gave him everything.


You havent signed anyone

actually we have. not sure how that matters
InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3468 Posts
July 08 2022 09:59 GMT
#3056
They probably promised him big changes and investments, and now that he's seen first hand the shambles the club is in, he realizes it's much worse than he thought and it won't get better any time soon.
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4341 Posts
July 08 2022 12:02 GMT
#3057
On July 08 2022 06:04 KobraKay wrote:
When will we transition to the 22/23 thread?

I agree, it's time. My banner for last year was rejected, updated it slightly for this year. Hopefully Pande appreciates

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Sucker for nostalgia
gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2551 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-08 13:32:20
July 08 2022 13:32 GMT
#3058
Man Utd. is in so much troubles I completely understand that CR wants to leave...
Imagine playing with a captain like Maguire!
One crossed wire, one wayward pinch of potassium chlorate, one errant twitch...and kablooie!
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 08 2022 13:48 GMT
#3059
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 08 2022 16:11 GMT
#3060
Still no idea who the player was, or what Club...

The Premier League club of the footballer arrested on Monday on suspicion of rape was made aware of a rape allegation against the player last autumn, the Guardian understands.

The player, who is not being named for legal reasons, continued to play in the first team last season.

The player was taken into custody by the Metropolitan police in the early hours of Monday before being released on bail on Tuesday until August.

A statement from Scotland Yard on Tuesday read: “On 4 July, an allegation of rape of a woman in her 20s was reported to police. It was reported the alleged rape happened in June 2022. On 4 July, a 29-year-old man was arrested at an address in Barnet on suspicion of rape and taken into custody.

“While in custody, he was further arrested on suspicion of two incidents of rape that were alleged to have been committed in April and June of 2021 against a different woman in her 20s. He has subsequently been released on bail to a date in August. Inquiries into the circumstances are ongoing.”

The club declined to comment.


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