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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
July 04 2022 08:26 GMT
#3021
Lewy shouldn't get that much sympathy. He's by far the best paid player in Bundesliga history. He's not being held in prison. Bayern wanted to extend his contract, Lewandowski doesn't want to, that's fine. But then he flipped the switch from "I'm not extending" to "I can't imagine ever playing for Bayern again I have to leave NOW". His agent blames Bayern's interest in Erling Haaland. There have been rumors about Lewy going to Spain almost every transfer window since he joined Bayern. He always dreamt of joining Real Madrid someday, now apparently he's always dreamt of Barcelona.

What's probably really hurt him is that he can't win a Ballon d'Or with Bayern even if Messi and Ronaldo play shit seasons. From what's been reported, the man's got a massive ego problem. Even though he's broken records nobody thought would ever be broken, most Bayern fans want him gone now, would have agreed to sell him already with the reported Barca offers. Because the feeling they get from this whole situation is that in 8 years in Munich, he never grew any attachment to the club.
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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6272 Posts
July 04 2022 08:45 GMT
#3022
On July 04 2022 05:44 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2022 01:08 Bacillus wrote:
In some sense the biggest damage may be the precedent that it's hard to leave Bayern even if you've won them all the things possible. If you're in a fortunate place and get to decide between a few clubs, you probably prefer going to the one that doesn't have a history of unhappy players struggling to find exit. The same goes for extending contracts obviously, you don't want to make a generous extension with a club that'll see the contract to the end no matter the circumstances.




One only has to look at the Mane move to that very same club for a much better handling by all parties.

He’s won everything there is to win and fancied a change of scene, left with the club’s blessing, the fans didn’t largely begrudge and Liverpool got a not inconsiderable but reasonable fee.


It's how it should be but considering the massive ego's and self interest of both clubs and players I'm not surprised that we have so many transfer drama's instead.
gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2606 Posts
July 04 2022 08:55 GMT
#3023
On July 04 2022 14:58 Bacillus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2022 05:21 sharkie wrote:
On July 04 2022 02:24 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Dortmund generally lets their players go?


They forced Lewa to stay for his final year

How I'm looking at it, it comes down to public perception.

Dortmund was an underdog just hitting their stride, trying to establish themselves as European powerhouse. They had won a Bundesliga, but UCL was painstakingly close and they would be trying to push for it again with the same core. This could be the the best shot they'll have in many decades with the talented lineup they have. Damn sure they'll try to hold on to their young star players and especially not hand them over to their toughest rival.

Meanwhile now it's Bayern. They're almost always hitting the UCL round of 8, they're dominating the league. Lewandowski has been their reliable star player for 8 years and is approaching the final years of his professional career. He's been talking about some possibility of transfer for a few seasons now. He's also helped Bayern win everything possible in the world of football. There's nothing left to do but to repeat the same success at best. Blocking a transfer is not how you reward a loyal servant on his final years.

Behind the scenes there could be all kinds of things going on, but in public there often seems to be a pretty clear cut difference between what's considered acceptable transfer request and what's letting the team down. For example Liverpool fanbase still has some bad blood between them and Sterling whereas Mane transfer was generally taken really well and people expressed plenty of gratitude towards him despite him wanting to go.

---

And to be clear, I don't think this Lewandowski saga is going to flip a switch and make Bayern some kind of team nobody wants to go. Things change slowly and the next transfer storyline could spin the club image the other way round again. But Bayern has presented themselves as a bit of stubborn bully this window and it can creep its way into bigger and smaller things in the longer run. Maybe some of their current roster is going to think twice before accepting a longer extension or maybe they'll want a bit more cash to compensate the risk that they'll get the stuck the similar way as Lewa did.

I also do think Lewa could act way more professionally and so on, but I don't think that matters too much here. As long as he doesn't completely come off as a irresponsible maniac during this, he'll have quite a bit of sympathy because of his current stature and public image and all that. No club wants to have a public feud with their star player of 8 years, it's just not the type of battle where the club is going to look like a proper winner vast majority of the time.



I think Bayern are delusional enough to think they are bigger than everything and everyone.
One crossed wire, one wayward pinch of potassium chlorate, one errant twitch...and kablooie!
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18629 Posts
July 04 2022 08:56 GMT
#3024
They are definitely bigger than Lewandowski
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
July 04 2022 10:36 GMT
#3025
On July 04 2022 17:56 sharkie wrote:
They are definitely bigger than Lewandowski

Yep. Without a doubt.
gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2606 Posts
July 04 2022 11:25 GMT
#3026
They might be bigger than Lewandowski but surely some egos at Bayern feel bigger than they should be.
I think both sides made PR mistakes and could have resolved it better, on one hand you have a "selfish greedy" player who won Bayern everything and on the other you have that egomaniac club that treats one of their best players of modern times wrongly.

One crossed wire, one wayward pinch of potassium chlorate, one errant twitch...and kablooie!
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18629 Posts
July 04 2022 11:28 GMT
#3027
I hate Bayern with a passion but with Lewa they are doing everything correct. You dont give spoiled children everything they want because they demand it
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51583 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-04 11:37:09
July 04 2022 11:36 GMT
#3028


luxury signing yada yada, had pressing needs elsewhere but as long as the wages aren't absurd i'm not too upset.
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7153 Posts
July 04 2022 12:01 GMT
#3029
I for one would love to see CR7 in the Bundesliga but I doubt the transfer fee + wages Bayern wants to invest are up to CR7 standards.

Barca should up the offer for Lewa by another 10 mil in extras over the next two seasons and be done with it. Pretty sure Bayern would accept. They just want their moneys worth and don't want any handouts given for Lewas agent
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26626 Posts
July 04 2022 12:15 GMT
#3030
It is worth noting that if memory serves Bayern have been umming and ahing on giving longer extensions to some of their core servants of a certain age, your Mullers and Neuers of the world. It’s partly why Alaba ended up leaving.

Just memory at work from the ungodly amount of podcasts I listen to.

I don’t believe Salihamidzic is particularly popular internally because of an approach that seems a bit haphazard from the outside looking in.

Lewa wants to go, with the huge wages that he commands, others want to finish their career with Bayern but they’re playing hardball with both sets.

Football can be a ruthless business of sporting ambition, or it can be a place where loyalty is fostered and rewarded. Sometimes it feels players get all the flak for acting in their own interests and desires.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 04 2022 16:11 GMT
#3031
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2041 Posts
July 04 2022 17:23 GMT
#3032
Eriksen to Utd seems a bit weird to me. They've got Bruno Fernandez already in fairly similar role, I think. Is Eriksen just going to be the backup or is there a good way to fit both into same starting 11?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 04 2022 18:00 GMT
#3033
Juventus apparently has/had asked to buy Pulisic but Chelsea said no.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 04 2022 18:44 GMT
#3034
On July 04 2022 21:01 Harris1st wrote:
I for one would love to see CR7 in the Bundesliga but I doubt the transfer fee + wages Bayern wants to invest are up to CR7 standards.

Barca should up the offer for Lewa by another 10 mil in extras over the next two seasons and be done with it. Pretty sure Bayern would accept. They just want their moneys worth and don't want any handouts given for Lewas agent

It's a shame that because i think he would be open to that move. He wants champions league goals to secure the records there, he has that chance at Bayern. He also wants to win and Bayern have a great chance to do that domestically as well. Plus with Bayern and getting Mane in, they will have a lot of "legs" around him. Add in Lewa wants to leave, getting Ronaldo in as a "stop gap" on a 12month deal while you scout out for the next striker makes perfect sense to me.

However, if Bayern don't want to break a wage structure for him then i can understand that, but for me there is A LOT more pluses than that only negative for that deal, as it mainly it gives you 12 months to replace Lewandowski who clearly wants to go.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18629 Posts
July 04 2022 19:14 GMT
#3035
Ronaldo to bayern would make a lot of sense. Would also give German/BuLi talent to turn up/grow for another year to create the next big forward
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26626 Posts
July 04 2022 20:57 GMT
#3036
Ronaldo can only be your man if you’re pushing for the CL if he’s ok with being a squad player. His wages will likely be astronomical too.

If there aren’t compromises there it’s more hassle than it’s worth, if there are he could make a good stopgap
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 04 2022 21:26 GMT
#3037
Apparently it is a internationally known player...

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
July 05 2022 02:03 GMT
#3038
On July 05 2022 06:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Apparently it is a internationally known player...

https://twitter.com/TeleFootball/status/1543988361957867522


late 20s, was on vacation in the Mediterraneans, im sure its not that hard to narrow it down
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8848 Posts
July 05 2022 07:02 GMT
#3039
rumour is its partey
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2041 Posts
July 05 2022 07:05 GMT
#3040
On July 05 2022 03:44 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2022 21:01 Harris1st wrote:
I for one would love to see CR7 in the Bundesliga but I doubt the transfer fee + wages Bayern wants to invest are up to CR7 standards.

Barca should up the offer for Lewa by another 10 mil in extras over the next two seasons and be done with it. Pretty sure Bayern would accept. They just want their moneys worth and don't want any handouts given for Lewas agent

It's a shame that because i think he would be open to that move. He wants champions league goals to secure the records there, he has that chance at Bayern. He also wants to win and Bayern have a great chance to do that domestically as well. Plus with Bayern and getting Mane in, they will have a lot of "legs" around him. Add in Lewa wants to leave, getting Ronaldo in as a "stop gap" on a 12month deal while you scout out for the next striker makes perfect sense to me.

However, if Bayern don't want to break a wage structure for him then i can understand that, but for me there is A LOT more pluses than that only negative for that deal, as it mainly it gives you 12 months to replace Lewandowski who clearly wants to go.

I like this quite a bit. It makes sense footballing wise and I'm not sure if a short contract even breaks the wage structure that much. You can probably at least try to argue that Ronaldo's case is unique enough and doesn't really set a club wide standard. Of course if it can be used as a leverage, then you'll end up feeling the effects way longer than just the Ronaldo contract, so maybe it's still better safe than sorry on that aspect...

If they really need a hasty stop-gap solution here, it definitely doesn't seem like a bad one. CR7 gets to leave Utd and gets a solid shot at one more UCL run, Bayern gets at least 12 months to fix the striker issue and even United will be compensated quite nicely probably. CR7 also could be a league winner in 4 biggest leagues in Europe.
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