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On July 03 2022 05:04 Pandemona wrote:
Barcelona are getting Kounde now as well as re signing Dembele, buying Raphina, free signings as well of Christensen, Kessie and Sergi Roberto. Want Lewandowski as well and are legit flat broke and trying to get basically "payday loans" lol what on earth. The club will die in 1-2 years?
where are all the rich barca fanboys to save the club? is that an option
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On July 03 2022 03:16 Elentos wrote:
One of the most speculated topics atm is Lewandowksi to Barca and Ronaldo to Bayern. Although Salihamidzic already said Bayern aren't interested in Cristiano, the rumor isn't cooling down.
There is no point in buying him for bayern. Either keep Lewandowski for a year (who does a lot more for the team besides merely scoring goals) or try to get a long term replacement for him. An expensive Ronaldo bandaid can only result in failure in my opinion. Additionally, it might ruin the wage structure and the way it is currently managed completely depending on his demands.
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On July 03 2022 17:19 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2022 03:16 Elentos wrote:
One of the most speculated topics atm is Lewandowksi to Barca and Ronaldo to Bayern. Although Salihamidzic already said Bayern aren't interested in Cristiano, the rumor isn't cooling down. There is no point in buying him for bayern. Either keep Lewandowski for a year (who does a lot more for the team besides merely scoring goals) or try to get a long term replacement for him. An expensive Ronaldo bandaid can only result in failure in my opinion. Additionally, it might ruin the wage structure and the way it is currently managed completely depending on his demands. Well Lewandowski is pretty much threatening to not show up for training if Bayern don't sell him, Bayern should definitely sell him at this point. I agree Ronaldo wouldn't make sense though since it just delays having to fix the actual problem, which is finding a long term solution.
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On July 03 2022 17:37 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2022 17:19 justanothertownie wrote:On July 03 2022 03:16 Elentos wrote:
One of the most speculated topics atm is Lewandowksi to Barca and Ronaldo to Bayern. Although Salihamidzic already said Bayern aren't interested in Cristiano, the rumor isn't cooling down. There is no point in buying him for bayern. Either keep Lewandowski for a year (who does a lot more for the team besides merely scoring goals) or try to get a long term replacement for him. An expensive Ronaldo bandaid can only result in failure in my opinion. Additionally, it might ruin the wage structure and the way it is currently managed completely depending on his demands. Well Lewandowski is pretty much threatening to not show up for training if Bayern don't sell him, Bayern should definitely sell him at this point. I agree Ronaldo wouldn't make sense though since it just delays having to fix the actual problem, which is finding a long term solution.
Lewa not showing up for training hurts him more than it would hurt Bayern. His time is limited, thats a year of his career he would waste
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Maybe. He doesn't seem to think so at least. I'm not sure why clubs don't just let their players go if they want. Lewa wants one more adventure in his career and they can get a good price considering his age and the remaining term of the contract. Then just sell him.
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Because letting players go whenever THEY want would just make any planning for clubs impossible...
They get paid huge money for clubs because clubs expect them to deliver them for an agreed amount of time
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Right so now you're stuck with an unmotivated player costing you at least 50m in missed transfer money + a year of wages. There's no reason you can't plan on players leaving every year. In fact all except the top clubs do.
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They probably would have let Lewandowski go peacefully if his side hadn't started firing shots unprovoked. Far as I can tell all Bayern are doing at this point is trying to get the maximum amount of money possible from Barcelona. I don't think they're naive enough to actually believe things will normalize. There's already been reports on the rest of the Bayern squad being unhappy with Lewandowski's attitude and wanting him out.
From what's been said in the media, there's been next to no actual communication between the clubs. Bayern are on bad terms with Lewandowski's agent Zahavi so he can't mediate. Barcelona submitted 2 offers that Bayern didn't even respond to. Barcelona's 3rd offer apparently was high enough for Bayern to inform them that it's too low.
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On July 03 2022 21:28 RvB wrote:
Right so now you're stuck with an unmotivated player costing you at least 50m in missed transfer money + a year of wages. There's no reason you can't plan on players leaving every year. In fact all except the top clubs do.
Barca are nowhere near paying 50mil tho
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40m transfer + 10 million wage is what I meant. I wrote it in a confusing way. Apparently his wage is 20 mil instead f 10 but doesn't really change the point.
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In some sense the biggest damage may be the precedent that it's hard to leave Bayern even if you've won them all the things possible. If you're in a fortunate place and get to decide between a few clubs, you probably prefer going to the one that doesn't have a history of unhappy players struggling to find exit. The same goes for extending contracts obviously, you don't want to make a generous extension with a club that'll see the contract to the end no matter the circumstances.
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On July 04 2022 01:08 Bacillus wrote:
In some sense the biggest damage may be the precedent that it's hard to leave Bayern even if you've won them all the things possible. If you're in a fortunate place and get to decide between a few clubs, you probably prefer going to the one that doesn't have a history of unhappy players struggling to find exit. The same goes for extending contracts obviously, you don't want to make a generous extension with a club that'll see the contract to the end no matter the circumstances.
Dortmund hasnt had problems getting players have they?
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On July 04 2022 01:08 Bacillus wrote:
In some sense the biggest damage may be the precedent that it's hard to leave Bayern even if you've won them all the things possible. If you're in a fortunate place and get to decide between a few clubs, you probably prefer going to the one that doesn't have a history of unhappy players struggling to find exit. The same goes for extending contracts obviously, you don't want to make a generous extension with a club that'll see the contract to the end no matter the circumstances.
I get what you are saying but.....Considering what is happening, only a terrible agent would advise their player to avoid Bayern in the future since this isn't exactly the club's fault. Bayern is still Bayern regardless (unless they stop playing in UCL, which seems unlikely to say the least), and players will still want to go there even if they end up making Lewa train alone for a year.
Clubs cannot become hostage to the players' mood swings, there needs to be some accountability and some respect for the agreements signed. It's not like players have the short end of the stick here.
Yes, its better if in these situations the club and player can reach an agreement and the player is let go for a lower value than it was expected or when the team didnt really want to, but this cannot become the norm.
My club has a ton of recent cases where players wanted to go or didnt want to renew the contracts and the club followed a simple rule, if the player is profissional and fulfils his duty, they will still play even if they dont want to resign and eventually leave for free, if they start bickering and dont act professional, they start training away from the team and sometimes are not even allowed to play in the reserves.
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Norway28850 Posts
Dortmund generally lets their players go?
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On July 04 2022 02:24 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Dortmund generally lets their players go?
They had problems with dembele and aubameyang. In Bayerns case it is really not the clubs fault that the situation is the way it is. Lewandowski should not have publicly stated how he can't see a future at bayern while still having a contract and no deal in place. That is incredibly unprofessional and should not be tolerated.
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what does that statement even mean "cant see a future at bayern", like is he thinking he wont get to play or is he upset at the wage etc
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On July 04 2022 02:24 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Dortmund generally lets their players go?
They forced Lewa to stay for his final year
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Northern Ireland27148 Posts
On July 04 2022 01:08 Bacillus wrote:
In some sense the biggest damage may be the precedent that it's hard to leave Bayern even if you've won them all the things possible. If you're in a fortunate place and get to decide between a few clubs, you probably prefer going to the one that doesn't have a history of unhappy players struggling to find exit. The same goes for extending contracts obviously, you don't want to make a generous extension with a club that'll see the contract to the end no matter the circumstances.
One only has to look at the Mane move to that very same club for a much better handling by all parties.
He’s won everything there is to win and fancied a change of scene, left with the club’s blessing, the fans didn’t largely begrudge and Liverpool got a not inconsiderable but reasonable fee.
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On July 04 2022 05:21 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2022 02:24 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Dortmund generally lets their players go? They forced Lewa to stay for his final year
How I'm looking at it, it comes down to public perception.
Dortmund was an underdog just hitting their stride, trying to establish themselves as European powerhouse. They had won a Bundesliga, but UCL was painstakingly close and they would be trying to push for it again with the same core. This could be the the best shot they'll have in many decades with the talented lineup they have. Damn sure they'll try to hold on to their young star players and especially not hand them over to their toughest rival.
Meanwhile now it's Bayern. They're almost always hitting the UCL round of 8, they're dominating the league. Lewandowski has been their reliable star player for 8 years and is approaching the final years of his professional career. He's been talking about some possibility of transfer for a few seasons now. He's also helped Bayern win everything possible in the world of football. There's nothing left to do but to repeat the same success at best. Blocking a transfer is not how you reward a loyal servant on his final years.
Behind the scenes there could be all kinds of things going on, but in public there often seems to be a pretty clear cut difference between what's considered acceptable transfer request and what's letting the team down. For example Liverpool fanbase still has some bad blood between them and Sterling whereas Mane transfer was generally taken really well and people expressed plenty of gratitude towards him despite him wanting to go.
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And to be clear, I don't think this Lewandowski saga is going to flip a switch and make Bayern some kind of team nobody wants to go. Things change slowly and the next transfer storyline could spin the club image the other way round again. But Bayern has presented themselves as a bit of stubborn bully this window and it can creep its way into bigger and smaller things in the longer run. Maybe some of their current roster is going to think twice before accepting a longer extension or maybe they'll want a bit more cash to compensate the risk that they'll get the stuck the similar way as Lewa did.
I also do think Lewa could act way more professionally and so on, but I don't think that matters too much here. As long as he doesn't completely come off as a irresponsible maniac during this, he'll have quite a bit of sympathy because of his current stature and public image and all that. No club wants to have a public feud with their star player of 8 years, it's just not the type of battle where the club is going to look like a proper winner vast majority of the time.
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