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Northern Ireland27463 Posts
On July 08 2022 18:39 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2022 16:43 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 08 2022 16:22 evilfatsh1t wrote:On July 08 2022 16:03 sharkie wrote:
What transfer planning though?
Maybe he decided to leave after seeing a month of nothing happening at the club? the expectation was that he would stay for the next season. thats what was known to the public before all of this. naturally then we have 1 less forward position to think about, instead of 2 if we had known he was going to leave earlier. or perhaps ten hag would have to seriously consider relying on the likes of martial again. the lack of transfer activity is a pathetic excuse imo. did anyone actually believe that we would be getting the likes of haaland to this club? or that we would go and sign neymar because hes a big profile and he is seemingly unwanted at psg? imo the current situation at the club has been clear for everyone since we dropped out of top 4 last season. pretending like theres been some new revelations since then that has made it clear the club is unsuitable for ronaldo is bullshit. truth is he is just getting cold feet at the thought of actually having to play in the europa league and would rather chase his records then end his career with the club that gave him everything. And he always came across as such giving, loyal individual. no he hasnt. but he at least paraded around like he was when he came back to united. not that i bought into that but itd be nice if we could filter out the bullshit. Show nested quote +On July 08 2022 17:27 sharkie wrote:On July 08 2022 16:22 evilfatsh1t wrote:On July 08 2022 16:03 sharkie wrote:
What transfer planning though?
Maybe he decided to leave after seeing a month of nothing happening at the club? the expectation was that he would stay for the next season. thats what was known to the public before all of this. naturally then we have 1 less forward position to think about, instead of 2 if we had known he was going to leave earlier. or perhaps ten hag would have to seriously consider relying on the likes of martial again. the lack of transfer activity is a pathetic excuse imo. did anyone actually believe that we would be getting the likes of haaland to this club? or that we would go and sign neymar because hes a big profile and he is seemingly unwanted at psg? imo the current situation at the club has been clear for everyone since we dropped out of top 4 last season. pretending like theres been some new revelations since then that has made it clear the club is unsuitable for ronaldo is bullshit. truth is he is just getting cold feet at the thought of actually having to play in the europa league and would rather chase his records then end his career with the club that gave him everything. You havent signed anyone actually we have. not sure how that matters
Part of the selling of the Ronaldo transfer was that, if nothing else he’s so driven and such a winner that that would rub off on those around him.
The flip side of that is if the club is broadly speaking a complete mess from top to bottom a player of his standards is likely to seek a final year or two at the very highest level elsewhere.
His timing could be better but I think it’s plausible he was waiting to see how the recruitment went and if the side could realistically get back towards the top end of European football next year. It’s not looking especially likely right now so I can’t say I blame him for not having that faith.
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I thought of a interesting topic for discussion:
Are Ronaldo/Messi bigger than a football club? The reason I ask that is e.g. I am sure there are several Americans/Asians who know who Ronaldo and Messi are but they wouldnt have heard of Manchester United.
Does this make these two bigger than a football club? :o
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On July 09 2022 01:11 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Still no idea who the player was, or what Club...
Based on the few updates I've seen on Reddit, I think there's a pretty strong guess on who it is. Apparently the player isn't currently preparing for the season with the rest of the club and most of the given information fits the puzzle.
Meanwhile for example Granit Xhaka's relatives had to come out and confirm that he's on holiday and not involved in this, so I don't really want to go feeding the rumor mill and throwing around names unless there's a confirmation or a very good reason to start taking guesses. Nobody should be unnecessarily associated with such severe crime just because they roughly fit some parts of a very vague profile.
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Norway28906 Posts
Ya, should not throw out names without knowing for sure who it is.
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I am surprised no media has found out the name so far though. Not paying police enough? :p
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Northern Ireland27463 Posts
On July 09 2022 06:40 sharkie wrote:
I am surprised no media has found out the name so far though. Not paying police enough? :p
They aren’t allowed to report on it, so they don’t.
They certainly know who it is, judging from how often one particular name comes up on Twitter threads I’m pretty confident I know who it is.
Until you’re formally charged that’s just how it is. Unless you’re Mason Greenwood and have the person accusing you stick that on social media first.
I don’t think indulging in speculation is all that productive, it’ll come out down the line and in the interim there’s the possibility people will be wrongly identified.
I’d really strongly urge this rather enjoyable thread full of passionate and knowledgable football folks not to play ‘who’s the possible rapist’? and I assume the mods share that wish.
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On July 09 2022 05:08 sharkie wrote:
I thought of a interesting topic for discussion:
Are Ronaldo/Messi bigger than a football club? The reason I ask that is e.g. I am sure there are several Americans/Asians who know who Ronaldo and Messi are but they wouldnt have heard of Manchester United.
Does this make these two bigger than a football club? :o
Depends on the club. Bigger than ADO Den Haag for sure but not bigger than Real Madrid.
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On July 09 2022 11:07 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2022 06:40 sharkie wrote:
I am surprised no media has found out the name so far though. Not paying police enough? :p They aren’t allowed to report on it, so they don’t. They certainly know who it is, judging from how often one particular name comes up on Twitter threads I’m pretty confident I know who it is. Until you’re formally charged that’s just how it is. Unless you’re Mason Greenwood and have the person accusing you stick that on social media first. I don’t think indulging in speculation is all that productive, it’ll come out down the line and in the interim there’s the possibility people will be wrongly identified. I’d really strongly urge this rather enjoyable thread full of passionate and knowledgable football folks not to play ‘who’s the possible rapist’? and I assume the mods share that wish.
There's some pretty weird stalemates with this. As far as I know, there's still 'an unnamed Iceland national team player in Everton' that has been suspended for over a season and waiting for charges. Until he's officially charged, the media can't name him and we'll end up in this limbo state where everybody knows, but nobody officially knows.
I don't know if this new case is heading to similar kind of vague state or if there's some kind of faster resolution here.
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On July 09 2022 18:07 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2022 05:08 sharkie wrote:
I thought of a interesting topic for discussion:
Are Ronaldo/Messi bigger than a football club? The reason I ask that is e.g. I am sure there are several Americans/Asians who know who Ronaldo and Messi are but they wouldnt have heard of Manchester United.
Does this make these two bigger than a football club? :o Depends on the club. Bigger than ADO Den Haag for sure but not bigger than Real Madrid.
Bigger than Manchester United? If not, why do you think ManUtd is bigger than Ronaldo?
I am talking about worldwide recognition.
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Northern Ireland27463 Posts
On July 09 2022 18:28 Bacillus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2022 11:07 WombaT wrote:On July 09 2022 06:40 sharkie wrote:
I am surprised no media has found out the name so far though. Not paying police enough? :p They aren’t allowed to report on it, so they don’t. They certainly know who it is, judging from how often one particular name comes up on Twitter threads I’m pretty confident I know who it is. Until you’re formally charged that’s just how it is. Unless you’re Mason Greenwood and have the person accusing you stick that on social media first. I don’t think indulging in speculation is all that productive, it’ll come out down the line and in the interim there’s the possibility people will be wrongly identified. I’d really strongly urge this rather enjoyable thread full of passionate and knowledgable football folks not to play ‘who’s the possible rapist’? and I assume the mods share that wish. There's some pretty weird stalemates with this. As far as I know, there's still 'an unnamed Iceland national team player in Everton' that has been suspended for over a season and waiting for charges. Until he's officially charged, the media can't name him and we'll end up in this limbo state where everybody knows, but nobody officially knows. I don't know if this new case is heading to similar kind of vague state or if there's some kind of faster resolution here.
I can’t recall offhand if that was speculation online or the media confirmed, but yes it is a bit of a wonky hinterland.
I believe in the case of last season’s other prominent suspensions pending possible charges on sexual offences, they were initially arrested.
And you’re not restricted in reporting ‘a man aged x who lives in y was arrested and released’.
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Northern Ireland27463 Posts
On July 09 2022 20:08 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2022 18:07 RvB wrote:On July 09 2022 05:08 sharkie wrote:
I thought of a interesting topic for discussion:
Are Ronaldo/Messi bigger than a football club? The reason I ask that is e.g. I am sure there are several Americans/Asians who know who Ronaldo and Messi are but they wouldnt have heard of Manchester United.
Does this make these two bigger than a football club? :o Depends on the club. Bigger than ADO Den Haag for sure but not bigger than Real Madrid. Bigger than Manchester United? If not, why do you think ManUtd is bigger than Ronaldo? I am talking about worldwide recognition.
Considering United even with the lack of good times tend to be there or there abouts in revenue, a lot of it internationally generated they still have a ton of name recognition. Plus fans of clubs, if not lifetime converts still tend to be in it for the long haul.
I think it’s possible Ronaldo and to a (slightly) lesser degree Messi may be more famous than even storied football clubs to non-football fans though. Shades of Tiger Woods, absolutely the biggest draw in golf but even he was not bigger than the sport.
That it’s even a legitimate, debatable question is probably reason enough to not touch with a barge pole.
Decent wee short read on this very subject
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Norway28906 Posts
United is still by a significant margin the most popular club in England.
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51698 Posts
On July 09 2022 18:28 Bacillus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2022 11:07 WombaT wrote:On July 09 2022 06:40 sharkie wrote:
I am surprised no media has found out the name so far though. Not paying police enough? :p They aren’t allowed to report on it, so they don’t. They certainly know who it is, judging from how often one particular name comes up on Twitter threads I’m pretty confident I know who it is. Until you’re formally charged that’s just how it is. Unless you’re Mason Greenwood and have the person accusing you stick that on social media first. I don’t think indulging in speculation is all that productive, it’ll come out down the line and in the interim there’s the possibility people will be wrongly identified. I’d really strongly urge this rather enjoyable thread full of passionate and knowledgable football folks not to play ‘who’s the possible rapist’? and I assume the mods share that wish. There's some pretty weird stalemates with this. As far as I know, there's still 'an unnamed Iceland national team player in Everton' that has been suspended for over a season and waiting for charges. Until he's officially charged, the media can't name him and we'll end up in this limbo state where everybody knows, but nobody officially knows. I don't know if this new case is heading to similar kind of vague state or if there's some kind of faster resolution here.
the unnamed iceland national team player no longer is contracted to everton as their contract expired at the end of the season
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Raheem Sterling to Chelsea is almost done according to multiple sources. 47.5m pound and personal terms agreed, waiting on a medical.
Idk if this is good or not, I feel like Chelsea don't need yet another forward with poor finishing and could have spent that on defenders
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On July 09 2022 20:08 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2022 18:07 RvB wrote:On July 09 2022 05:08 sharkie wrote:
I thought of a interesting topic for discussion:
Are Ronaldo/Messi bigger than a football club? The reason I ask that is e.g. I am sure there are several Americans/Asians who know who Ronaldo and Messi are but they wouldnt have heard of Manchester United.
Does this make these two bigger than a football club? :o Depends on the club. Bigger than ADO Den Haag for sure but not bigger than Real Madrid. Bigger than Manchester United? If not, why do you think ManUtd is bigger than Ronaldo? I am talking about worldwide recognition.
I don't think so. Manchester United is a very big club in Asia and I think Europeans tend to underestimate how many fans there are in the rest of the world. Don't have any numbers to back this up though and haven't really seen any articles trying to compare the recognition between clubs and players.
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Oh there are millions of Manchester United fans in Asia yes but I am talking about normal people who are not football fans.
My Japanese relatives have no idea what Manchester United is but they all know Ronaldo and Messi. It's only a few people as an example but I think you know what I am trying to mean?
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if youre talking about just name recognition then messi and ronaldo are undoubtedly bigger than any football club. there are very few names in the world that are as easily as recognisable as those two
but in terms of value or importance, obviously clubs like rm/barca/utd/bayern are going to be bigger
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Norway28906 Posts
On July 10 2022 18:59 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2022 20:08 sharkie wrote:On July 09 2022 18:07 RvB wrote:On July 09 2022 05:08 sharkie wrote:
I thought of a interesting topic for discussion:
Are Ronaldo/Messi bigger than a football club? The reason I ask that is e.g. I am sure there are several Americans/Asians who know who Ronaldo and Messi are but they wouldnt have heard of Manchester United.
Does this make these two bigger than a football club? :o Depends on the club. Bigger than ADO Den Haag for sure but not bigger than Real Madrid. Bigger than Manchester United? If not, why do you think ManUtd is bigger than Ronaldo? I am talking about worldwide recognition. I don't think so. Manchester United is a very big club in Asia and I think Europeans tend to underestimate how many fans there are in the rest of the world. Don't have any numbers to back this up though and haven't really seen any articles trying to compare the recognition between clubs and players.
this, this and this looks at social media followers. this looks at how 'valuable' the teams are. this looks at how many jerseys are sold by different teams.
For the first (social media followers) we see a clear dominance by Real Madrid+Barcelona (RM narrowly ahead), with United in third place, followed by PSG, Juventus, Chelsea, Liverpool, Bayern, City and Arsenal (in that order). For how 'valuable' they are, we see again RM in first place ahead of Barcelona, followed by United, Liverpool, Bayern, City, PSG, Chelsea, Juventus and Tottenham (in that order). (Operating income is also listed, this has City ahead of United ahead of Tottenham, followed by Liverpool, Bayern and Chelsea, followed by Real Madrid, then a big dropoff to Chelsea and Arsenal, while Barcelona is at 1/3 of Leeds United).
For jerseys sold, we see Bayern ahead of RM, followed by Liverpool, United, Juventus, Barcelona, Chelsea, Dortmund, PSG and City (in that order).
Based on the numbers, top 3 of 'famous clubs' to me clearly seems like it's RM ahead of Barcelona ahead of United.
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On July 10 2022 18:06 DropBear wrote:
Raheem Sterling to Chelsea is almost done according to multiple sources. 47.5m pound and personal terms agreed, waiting on a medical.
Idk if this is good or not, I feel like Chelsea don't need yet another forward with poor finishing and could have spent that on defenders
It's always weird to set value on Sterling. He's been on top level for so long, but is still just 27. Is he just reaching the peak years or did he peak early? Is he experienced or washed out?
I haven't seen too many City games on recent years, but in current market a proven attacker that could still have 5 ish years on top level for 50 million doesn't seem to bad to me.
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