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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6322 Posts
On July 10 2022 19:02 sharkie wrote: Oh there are millions of Manchester United fans in Asia yes but I am talking about normal people who are not football fans. My Japanese relatives have no idea what Manchester United is but they all know Ronaldo and Messi. It's only a few people as an example but I think you know what I am trying to mean? yeh might be true. If we go by social media Ronaldo has almost 600 million followers and Messi around 375 million. The biggest club has 250 million looking at Drone's sources. The difference is very large, I had no idea. I think their fame is more fleeting than clubs though. Every kid knows Ronaldo or Messi but I doubt they all know Beckham while everyone who's 25+ probably knows Beckham. I think after their careers end the same will happen to Ronaldo and Messi. www.marca.com On July 10 2022 22:41 Liquid`Drone wrote: this, this and this looks at social media followers. this looks at how 'valuable' the teams are. this looks at how many jerseys are sold by different teams. For the first (social media followers) we see a clear dominance by Real Madrid+Barcelona (RM narrowly ahead), with United in third place, followed by PSG, Juventus, Chelsea, Liverpool, Bayern, City and Arsenal (in that order). For how 'valuable' they are, we see again RM in first place ahead of Barcelona, followed by United, Liverpool, Bayern, City, PSG, Chelsea, Juventus and Tottenham (in that order). (Operating income is also listed, this has City ahead of United ahead of Tottenham, followed by Liverpool, Bayern and Chelsea, followed by Real Madrid, then a big dropoff to Chelsea and Arsenal, while Barcelona is at 1/3 of Leeds United). For jerseys sold, we see Bayern ahead of RM, followed by Liverpool, United, Juventus, Barcelona, Chelsea, Dortmund, PSG and City (in that order). Based on the numbers, top 3 of 'famous clubs' to me clearly seems like it's RM ahead of Barcelona ahead of United. I meant comparisons of clubs with famous players like Ronaldo / Messi. Thanks for the sources anyway. Always interesting reads. Except for Tottenham and Arsenal none of the clubs really surprise me. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18761 Posts
It would be very interesting to know how many of the younger generation have heard of Pele and Maradonna | ||
GTR
51698 Posts
i'm fucking done. | ||
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Kotreb
Croatia1392 Posts
On July 11 2022 19:13 GTR wrote: https://twitter.com/sistoney67/status/1546427431862816768 i'm fucking done. + Why? He can't command both of his feet, let alone a squad | ||
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sharkie
Austria18761 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8930 Posts
either ten hag believes that hes a serious miracle maker and can bring maguire's performances up to scratch without damaging his confidence or the teams morale, or his authority is being equally disrupted by the board as with previous managers. if its the latter then this club is seriously doomed and if its the former, ten hag better be right because the pressure is going to build on him way faster than all the other managers now. the other discouraging thing for me is that this basically means maguire is guaranteed to be a regular in the squad. wtf is the point of looking at players like timber/martinez/torres if maguire isnt the one thats going to be subbed out? varane didnt have a brilliant season but a blind person could tell you that varane isnt the one youre replacing in the cb pairing. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27463 Posts
Equally, he did have a decent, competent season one before last, and he had an atrocious season last. So did Varane, if anything he was even worse than Maguire last time out. If you were rating performances last time out you could give a good chunk of the squad a 5 or 4 out of 10, or lower. And Varane at least has the attribute of not having the turning speed of an oil tanker. Maguire is also culpable, but if there’s one player who’s going to be ruthlessly exposed if the midfield isn’t functional, the overall team isn’t functional and the defence isn’t coordinated, it’s almost 100% guaranteed to be a centre back who’s slow. I’m unsure what ten Haag, or the general Dutch attitude to captaincy is. Maybe Maguire gets the nod as being the leader behind the scenes, and it doesn’t necessarily indicate a desire to guarantee him a spot in the side. A lot remains to be seen, the de Jong transfer saga is dragging and dragging but him, or at least a player like him is something United sorely lack. If they get him, and more importantly if ten Haag can drill the team right, and morale is pulled up, just converting a fair few of those awful 4/10 or less seasons into 7/10s and United can make a big jump up almost on that alone. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7176 Posts
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Elentos
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RvB
Netherlands6322 Posts
Expectations of Ten Hag are too high. The problem is that every team he has coached has to get used to his style. We've seen it at Utrecht and Ajax where it doesn't go well at first but after a while when the players get used to him they start performing well. I don't know if he'll get even half the time he needs. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8930 Posts
its not about whether or not maguire can actually lead that team (which he obviously cant), its the fact that the club officially recognises maguire as THE man to lead that team. if im on that squad and i see maguire retain captaincy after the fucking shambles that was the previous season, im thinking this club is a joke and its priorities or values are fucked up. how can you be happy to be in a club that rewards mediocrity and expects the rest of the squad to fall in line to such a standard i mean i criticised ronaldo for breaking news that he wants to leave so late into the off season. however if it actually turned out that maguire's captaincy was internally confirmed before ronaldo's news, then id 100% understand why ronaldo would make such a decision. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18761 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27463 Posts
On July 12 2022 03:41 sharkie wrote: In Maguire's case it also sends out a message towards the rest of the team: "your performance does not matter." It goes in both directions though. Taking aside the specifics of Maguire and the captaincy, performances in the past can inform decision making, sure. It’s hardly going to be good for morale if your new boss comes in and says ‘Alright lads you ones who were shite last season are done’. Clean break, show me what you can do and how that dovetails with what I want to do seems to me preferable. I’m not convinced Maguire being captain = him playing every game, but hey we won’t know. Could be something akin to Henderson at Liverpool who features a lot but isn’t necessarily an ever-present. Given how long the de Jong transfer is taking, and a relative lack of movement my best guess is that ten Haag might get a few new faces, but broadly be told to get on with it and get the best out of what he’s got. | ||
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GTR
51698 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27463 Posts
On July 12 2022 06:19 GTR wrote: england just beat norway 8-0 in the women's euro's wow I don’t know a lot about the women’s game, but the pundits from primarily women’s football who’ve been on my 4/5 football podcasts and talking about the Euros had this as a slim win for England thru to a draw. Ridiculous performance. Who’d have thought maybe what the England team needed was a coach who wasn’t Phil Neville? Also guess who England are playing next?  | ||
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Bacillus
Finland2112 Posts
On July 12 2022 06:28 WombaT wrote: I don’t know a lot about the women’s game, but the pundits from primarily women’s football who’ve been on my 4/5 football podcasts and talking about the Euros had this as a slim win for England thru to a draw. Ridiculous performance. Who’d have thought maybe what the England team needed was a coach who wasn’t Phil Neville? Also guess who England are playing next? I have no clue on the actual power levels of the teams, but the betting odds seemed pretty heavily in favour of England. The first half stats are pretty insane there. 12 goalscoring attempts, 8 shots on goal and 6 goals. Stats wise they were actually more dominant on the 2nd half, but scored only 2 more. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6322 Posts
On July 12 2022 02:54 evilfatsh1t wrote: the expectation is that the captain should be an important player for the team. a player to look towards for inspiration when the team needs it. i dont think in this day and age players look up to a singular figure in the squad and expect an inspiring pep talk, but at the very least you expect whoevers captain to be capable. its not about whether or not maguire can actually lead that team (which he obviously cant), its the fact that the club officially recognises maguire as THE man to lead that team. if im on that squad and i see maguire retain captaincy after the fucking shambles that was the previous season, im thinking this club is a joke and its priorities or values are fucked up. how can you be happy to be in a club that rewards mediocrity and expects the rest of the squad to fall in line to such a standard i mean i criticised ronaldo for breaking news that he wants to leave so late into the off season. however if it actually turned out that maguire's captaincy was internally confirmed before ronaldo's news, then id 100% understand why ronaldo would make such a decision. You're making a mountain out of a molehill. I doubt many players care much about who is captain. Ronaldo wants to leave because he wants to compete for the Champions League and the title. Maguire being captain has nothing to do with it. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28908 Posts
Of our starting 11 players, 5 of them are playing in England - for Chelsea, United, City and Arsenal. Two are playing for Barcelona, and finally there's 6 time champions league champion Ada Hegerberg. On paper, it's a very solid team with real star power. Total collapse in this game though.  | ||
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