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mahrgell
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Jockmcplop
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On May 07 2022 16:51 mahrgell wrote: Well, if all you care is football, you would certainly prefer some Arab sugar daddy, who primarily wants to help his image in the west (or considered football manager on PC too boring and needed it real) and doesn't care about money to a US investment group who owns half a dozen high-level teams and will just look into making back their investment asap. Its not only football. Manchester City's owners have invested massive amounts of money in the area local to their stadium, far more than the Glazers ever have. They essentially initiated a huge regeneration project for a part of Manchester that had been neglected for decades. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On May 07 2022 15:42 DropBear wrote: I'm not very familiar with American sports, are the LA Lakers considered well run? Boehly is a big reason why Dodgers are an amazingly run side in America and are one of the most valuable teams in sports worldwide. This was the best bid and what us fans wanted, so we are happy and Roman picked it so we are defo happy. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27202 Posts
At least in a wider sense more groups who actually want to make money from football might push for effective governance, sugar daddies have actively pushed against it Neither is especially desirable, and a sugar daddy/momma might be great for your specific club, they have a detrimental effect to the whole ecosystem. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27202 Posts
On May 07 2022 20:20 Jockmcplop wrote: Its not only football. Manchester City's owners have invested massive amounts of money in the area local to their stadium, far more than the Glazers ever have. They essentially initiated a huge regeneration project for a part of Manchester that had been neglected for decades. Welcome to sportswashing. That said if it’s between sweet fuck all and Arab money, if I lived in the area I would take the latter | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On May 07 2022 21:05 WombaT wrote: I think in general I’d prefer these hedge funds than more sugar daddies. At least in a wider sense more groups who actually want to make money from football might push for effective governance, sugar daddies have actively pushed against it Neither is especially desirable, and a sugar daddy/momma might be great for your specific club, they have a detrimental effect to the whole ecosystem. At the same time, its those hedgies who push for: - even more split up kickoff times - overseas games (PL games in China or the US, hooray!) - the 112th super cup of super cups - more VIP lounges, less affordable stands etc And well, in no way do I want to claim that those sugar daddies are a positive for the football world. Especially when looking for some sort of balanced system. I think both sides are shit for the general system, but usually, the sugar daddies tend to be positive for the club. Let's see for how long 50+1 can stay alive here... E: and lets add "city/tax money financed stadiums" to the greatest features of those investor owners | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On May 07 2022 21:05 WombaT wrote: I think in general I’d prefer these hedge funds than more sugar daddies. At least in a wider sense more groups who actually want to make money from football might push for effective governance, sugar daddies have actively pushed against it Neither is especially desirable, and a sugar daddy/momma might be great for your specific club, they have a detrimental effect to the whole ecosystem. Roman put a lot of clauses into this sale, they are not allowed to put debt into the club aka do a glazers and buy the club with a gigantic loan they put into the books. They have to invest over 1.5 billion £ into the club in both, Mens and Womens teams and then invest in improving stadium which is needed to take us to the next level revenue wise. Boehly is running the club on the day to day, with Clearlake having 60% stake of the club and the rest is divided up to Boehly and Whys. Going to be new and interesting times, what they will do i think as well is focus on restructuring recruitment over the next 12-18 months too, keeping Marina for the time being and then reassessing with a recruitment director rumoured to be the popular Paul Mitchell who has been at Monaco and before that was at Spurs and Red Bull Leipzig. So interesting times ahead, we have money, alot more than before but its going to be spent with more a structure behind it and hopefully we can build with Tuchel and Hayes who deserve the world for what they have done for the club during this terribly hard times. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8902 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27202 Posts
On May 07 2022 21:14 mahrgell wrote: At the same time, its those hedgies who push for: - even more split up kickoff times - overseas games (PL games in China or the US, hooray!) - the 112th super cup of super cups - more VIP lounges, less affordable stands etc And well, in no way do I want to claim that those sugar daddies are a positive for the football world. Especially when looking for some sort of balanced system. I think both sides are shit for the general system, but usually, the sugar daddies tend to be positive for the club. Let's see for how long 50+1 can stay alive here... E: and lets add "city/tax money financed stadiums" to the greatest features of those investor owners Positive for a singular club, generally bad for the surrounding ecosystem, IMO. Is that the hedge fund types solely? Members run institutions like Real, Barca, or Juve and their long-term custodians the Agnellis who have pushed for these as well? Barca and Real have certainly make missteps in terms of management, but their recent financial issues have been influenced by chasing these new inflated markets. 50+1 helps the supporter experience, it’s not proven particularly effective in terms of the competitive balance at the top of the Bundesliga As an Inter fan/neutral besides that, I’m more concerned about competitive balance all throughout Europe, and stories like teams punching above their weight and building and progressing over years . Sugar daddies, be they motivated by genuine love (such as the spectacularly generous and spectacularly incompetent Massimo Moratti), unclear motivations like an Abramovich or reputation laundering like PSG/City inflate the natural market equilibrium because they’re not interested in making money, it’s pumping it in in pursuit of glory. In a lesser of two evils sense, hedge funds want to make money, so cost control is somewhat in their interest. I’m certainly not in favour, but at least it injects that element. Where I feel the problem lies is a genuine lack of a holistic view of football in its totality, which is a huge obstacle to having a better game. Be it the tribalism of supporters, or selfishness of various stakeholders. A fundamental restructuring of football, with cost controls lets people make money from it, and I believe it would increase the overall revenue from the whole pie. More supporters can buy in, emotionally and financially. Both domestically, and in terms of European competition, as a pure entertainment product more competition equals more stakes, more meaningful matches and more eyes ultimately. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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Deleted User 173346
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sharkie
Austria18699 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Dream result from chelsea perspective. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28861 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
But i guess the wording i used was wrong xd, this was the best result for every non Liverpool fan. | ||
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sharkie
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GTR
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On May 08 2022 02:52 evilfatsh1t wrote: wtf is going on in this brighton game. this season cannot end any sooner not sure if this season or the first season under moyes/giggs has been the worst season since saf's departure. probably this one because we came into the season with so much hope picking up varane/sancho/ronaldo, EL final and 2nd in the league the previous year. doesn't help rashford's form has relegated him to a league 2 player and our most talented academy player decided to become a piece of shit. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4414 Posts
Chelsea had 6 months of Lampard. Liverpool had their entire defence wiped out by injury. Spurs had a toxic dressing room with Mourinho and a bunch of players out of contract who would end up leaving. Arsenal were in full rebuild. United finished 2nd by default. | ||
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