EPT2020 - 2021 Football Thread - Page 46
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3474 Posts
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haitike
Spain2727 Posts
On December 09 2020 08:00 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: Is 'negru' an expression that has no racist connotation though? Even if it just means black guy or black person, I would still find it offensive, especially coming from a match official. You wouldn't call a white staff member 'the white guy' either. I think it is not so offensive as the N word in English, it is the equivalente to just "black" in English. But I agree with you. It is not professional for a referee. He should use the player name or maybe the kit number. But using nicknames like the black guy, the bald guy, etc. is just wrong in an official match. | ||
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Bacillus
Finland2045 Posts
On December 09 2020 08:19 haitike wrote: I think it is not so offensive as the N word in English, it is the equivalente to just "black" in English. But I agree with you. It is not professional for a referee. He should use the player name or maybe the kit number. But using nicknames like the black guy, the bald guy, etc. is just wrong in an official match. I think the person referred was Basaksehir assistant coach. He doesn't have a number in his back at least. I think I can see cases where the blunt language can be necessary. You're juggling attention between 22 players on the pitch, subs and two sets of staff constantly complaining about stuff and so on. Within a few days you're doing the same for a completely different set of people. If you need to give your referee partners a quick description in the middle of everything (assuming it's between-refs talk because it's in Romanian), you're probably going to use whatever sticks out at given moment. We are going to have to see how this unravels, but I can see these kind of blunt descriptions being pretty common among refs for practical reasons. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18635 Posts
On December 09 2020 15:22 Bacillus wrote: I think the person referred was Basaksehir assistant coach. He doesn't have a number in his back at least. I think I can see cases where the blunt language can be necessary. You're juggling attention between 22 players on the pitch, subs and two sets of staff constantly complaining about stuff and so on. Within a few days you're doing the same for a completely different set of people. If you need to give your referee partners a quick description in the middle of everything (assuming it's between-refs talk because it's in Romanian), you're probably going to use whatever sticks out at given moment. We are going to have to see how this unravels, but I can see these kind of blunt descriptions being pretty common among refs for practical reasons. And how are they describing all the white people? | ||
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Bacillus
Finland2045 Posts
On December 09 2020 15:39 sharkie wrote: And how are they describing all the white people? Whatever sticks out the best at given time. If it's a white guy in the middle of 5 black guys, it's a white guy. I'd probably be 'the short guy' a lot of the time. Maybe someone will be a fat guy or so. The way I think it's like police trying to identify people quickly. You're not trying to be sensitive, you're trying to relay as accurate information as possible with as little mental overhead as possible. At that point you take whatever you can get. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7180 Posts
Hahahaha ManU Second of all: Not really sure about that incident. I can see why this makes sense in a hectic enviroment but I can also see why this is wrong. Curious to know opinions of other Refs how they would have done this | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9206 Posts
On the other hand, it's clear to me that the teams only walked out due to assuming he used a pejorative based on the English cognate of the word. Overall I'd put this more in the "say no to bad linguistics" file than the "say no to racism" one. | ||
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aseq
Netherlands3999 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8857 Posts
the conspiracy theorist would argue the match was suspended to give psg the advantage of knowing the result of what was supposed to be concurrently running matches | ||
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sharkie
Austria18635 Posts
On December 09 2020 18:56 aseq wrote: Yep, of course you'd refer to what stands out about a person most if you quickly have to describe them. But in this setting, with all the complaining that's been going on, it's not the most tactical move. Don't really think measures are necessary though, guy obv wasn't being racist, just say sorry to 'the offended' and finish the game. thats the thing: he didnt even apologise. | ||
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
the best highlight for me was messi vs defender ronaldo. https://streamja.com/y3KQO | ||
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sharkie
Austria18635 Posts
On December 09 2020 20:00 Dingodile wrote: I watched Barca vs Juve, I enjoyed to see messi and ronaldo more than the match itself. the best highlight for me was messi vs defender ronaldo. https://streamja.com/y3KQO thats actually impressive if you see at what time Ronaldo starts his run - he knows Messi is going to beat the defender | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On December 09 2020 19:11 sharkie wrote: thats the thing: he didnt even apologise. He didn't apologize and the referee team doubled down on it by red carding the victim. And this is, where shit really hit the fan. I would certainly not continue to play, if this happened to any team mate of mine. And I applaud PSG for standing with their opponents here. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
On December 09 2020 21:59 mahrgell wrote: He didn't apologize and the referee team doubled down on it by red carding the victim. And this is, where shit really hit the fan. I would certainly not continue to play, if this happened to any team mate of mine. And I applaud PSG for standing with their opponents here. Wasn't the start of it all that the assistant misbehaved, thus the communication between fourth ref and main ref, and therefore received a red card? | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9206 Posts
On December 10 2020 00:08 Dav1oN wrote: How cute is that https://twitter.com/Emishor/status/1336658828205699073 It's annoying that this guy's shitty takes on twitter are posted all over the place whenever some football story involving Romania goes international. He says he won't advance any names immediately after advancing a name. He intentionally leaves out the second part of the sentence in the quote. I fell for it and expected something else before listening to the clip, but it was just a meta discussion about the word gypsy. | ||
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haitike
Spain2727 Posts
and by the way, Modrid is incredible with 35 years. He's been the best of Real Madrid this season in most matches. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
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RKC
2848 Posts
On December 09 2020 19:05 evilfatsh1t wrote: i dont get how everyone finds it ok that an entire match is just suspended because of a minor isolated incident (even if it was only confirmed to be minor afterwards). the conspiracy theorist would argue the match was suspended to give psg the advantage of knowing the result of what was supposed to be concurrently running matches I feel what you're saying. I wouldn't go as far as saying that there's a conspiracy. But PSG definitely benefited from the postponement. Yes, MU's defeat made the match academic. But the point is that PSG would be better prepared than their rivals (MU and Leipzig) going into the game a day later and knowing exactly what result they need to secure. Although racism is a major issue, calling off the entire match seems rather excessive. The more credible reason would be that the entire refereeing team was 'biased' against a particular team or set of players. I can buy that. But that doesn't seem to be official reason given? Anyway, even if some of the referees were 'tainted' in any way (or disabled for any other reason, such as injury), isn't there backup referees? (That said, I can understand that there may be situations where 'racism' can be a valid basis of cancellation. In extreme situations where the incident cannot be controlled and severely disrupts the match, such as large portions of the crowd abusing and harassing players non-stop and cannot be ejected by the match officials.) All in all, just seems rather odd for the entire match to be called off. Maybe the fact that there isn't a stadium filled with spectators made the decision easier. And also that PSG didn't press on continuing the match. Would a match in normal circumstances and with a lot of more at stake get cancelled the same way (e.g. Champions League semi-final)? Cancellation of matches are quite common in other parts of the world. But this is really the first for a major European competition match, yes? I have some misgivings on whether the cancellation sets the right precedent... | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
4 Spain 4 Germany (is this the first in years???) 3 England 3 Italy 1 France 1 Portugal This feels like worse and worse every year with the knockouts consisting out of the big4 nations + PSG. Porto was somehow the lucky team to avoid having 2 teams from the above-mentioned nations in their group. | ||
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