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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On November 08 2020 01:49 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I mean to me it looks like Ole is doing a great job managing the offense, but not the defense. Which isn't too big of a surprise. As a striker, smartness was his prime ability, and aside from that, he was a pretty good finisher. Him being able to improve the offensive capabilities of strikers that are technically far better than he ever was, makes total sense to me.
But being a striker his entire career, he never developed the same type of intelligent defensive movement. I kinda feel like the ideal position for him is that of a coach responsible for developing young strikers. And if he has a manager position like the one he has now, it would seem wise to delegate more responsibility for developing the defense to some other, more capable person. (Which might well be happening now anyway. )
They had a pretty good defensive record last season though if memory serves, and most of his statement results are soaking up pressure and hitting the big teams on the counter.
What he doesn't seem good at is constructing a sort of sophisticated set of drilling to have the team break teams down when they have a lot of the ball, the kind of drilling that say a Guardiola is known for.
But yeah I think he'd have been very good in the kind of role you're envisaging. A role he basically cannot do for United now.
I can see absolutely see United eventually going for Pochettino, but I mean no way is Poch (or presumably Ole) going to want to have the latter floating about having such a role given it was the previous incumbent. Whereas if they had just given Ole that season as a caretaker, then gone Poch then, the avenue of keeping Ole around for those positive characteristics would have been more open.
Which would be absolutely, 100% typical United board-level decision-making in a nutshell.
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utd's defensive records are deceptively good because we bring that many players back. because of the obvious flaw of our defenders being shit at one-on-one scenarios, we always have a holding pair of cm protecting them. its precisely this reason why we cant break teams down when they defend with men behind the ball also.
none of our cm pairings that bring defensive stability in midfield are good at carrying the ball in transition. also fred and mctominay dont position themselves well in possession to actually link up with the forwards. theyre so defensive minded that even in possession theyre standing laterally on the pitch and overlapping each others spaces.
so our defensive record has come at a very high cost, inability to get goals and actually win games. bruno coming in has helped a lot but hes literally carrying the entire team every game. without him there is no transition because not even paul pogba nowadays can receive the ball in midfield and pass forward. and if bruno isnt able to pull it off on the night we need a penalty, set piece, opponent mistake, or some other fluke because we arent scoring from open play anymore
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On November 08 2020 02:16 evilfatsh1t wrote:
utd's defensive records are deceptively good because we bring that many players back. because of the obvious flaw of our defenders being shit at one-on-one scenarios, we always have a holding pair of cm protecting them. its precisely this reason why we cant break teams down when they defend with men behind the ball also.
none of our cm pairings that bring defensive stability in midfield are good at carrying the ball in transition. also fred and mctominay dont position themselves well in possession to actually link up with the forwards. theyre so defensive minded that even in possession theyre standing laterally on the pitch and overlapping each others spaces.
so our defensive record has come at a very high cost, inability to get goals and actually win games. bruno coming in has helped a lot but hes literally carrying the entire team every game. without him there is no transition because not even paul pogba nowadays can receive the ball in midfield and pass forward. and if bruno isnt able to pull it off on the night we need a penalty, set piece, opponent mistake, or some other fluke because we arent scoring from open play anymore
Well bar AW-B who is one of the best in the league one on one, but yeah.
There's enough quality in that midfield that they should be a more coherent unit. Sure players have their own characteristics, deficiencies and strengths. If a team is consistently struggling in that department I guess there's a wider structural problem of how the team is organised and coached.
Bruno is great, but he doesn't really dictate the midfield. He reminds me more of a Frank Lampard at his pomp, decisive moments rather than running the midfield consistently. He's a player of moments rather than flow if that makes sense, well to me anyway. You mentioned de Bruyne earlier and they're both very incisive, but KdB I think keeps things ticking in a way Bruno doesn't really. Helps that he's playing in a Guardiola team.
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Bayern v Dortmund has just started
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
I will refuse to the day I day to call that fixture 'der Klassicher'
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Chelsea won again wooooo. Haaland scored a banger but Bayern won the game as usual, fun night!
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On November 08 2020 01:02 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Hm. That offside on Bamford in Palace-Leeds seems like a really fucking stupid application of a new rule. What on earth.
He's half a meter onside but he's pointing with his arm, and his hand/arm (parts of his body he would never be allowed to score with) is offside. (I'm hearing the argument is that his arm is so protruded that he could have legally scored with about 1 cm of the lower shoulder-part of his arm, and that this is why it was called. But even then I have a hard time seeing it. )
i think the rule should just be based on the feet position, anything else is just ridiculous
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You're a newly promoted team having a tough start to the season.
You're 1-0 down.
You get a penalty in the 97th minute and have a chance to tie the game
You decide to try a panenka.
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On November 08 2020 13:07 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2020 01:02 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Hm. That offside on Bamford in Palace-Leeds seems like a really fucking stupid application of a new rule. What on earth.
He's half a meter onside but he's pointing with his arm, and his hand/arm (parts of his body he would never be allowed to score with) is offside. (I'm hearing the argument is that his arm is so protruded that he could have legally scored with about 1 cm of the lower shoulder-part of his arm, and that this is why it was called. But even then I have a hard time seeing it. ) i think the rule should just be based on the feet position, anything else is just ridiculous
Or the centre of mass and orientation of a player as well. A player could be losing his balance, standing on one leg and facing the opposite way from the goal, but stick his other foot out to balance himself and be offside.
I hate VAR for offsides so much, it isn’t a tool that dovetails well with the law as it is and the spirit of the offside law existing.
If you’re going to frame by frame these decisions, I think you need a new rule to reflect that. Or an old one and return to the spirit of ‘daylight’ between attacker and defender.
Offside as a rule was invented to stop Filipo Inzaghi and really egregious poaching. With the intent of being enforced by referees and it was really based around the eye test.
VAR is forensically analysing offside decisions that don’t fail the eye test at all, because it’s not working in lockstep with the spirit and intent of offside, the current rules and the technology available.
I would also like to see the ‘interfering with play’ aspect of offside looked at, there have been some nonsense decisions there too. Either return to the old maxim of if you’re offside you’re offside, or make some tweaks there.
For example, if you’re offside and you’re in the box you’re by default interfering with play. Defenders and goalkeepers can’t make the calculation on whether your toe is offside or not and their positioning will be influenced by your presence, I’m unclear how that doesn’t count as interfering with play.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On November 08 2020 22:11 DropBear wrote:You're a newly promoted team having a tough start to the season. You're 1-0 down. You get a penalty in the 97th minute and have a chance to tie the game You decide to try a panenka.
Tuned in live for that and just laughed so badly. Mitrovic missed last penalty, think he wasn't on pitch anyway, so up steps Lookman looking confident, and he does that....like wow.
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On November 08 2020 23:06 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2020 22:11 DropBear wrote:You're a newly promoted team having a tough start to the season. You're 1-0 down. You get a penalty in the 97th minute and have a chance to tie the game You decide to try a panenka. Tuned in live for that and just laughed so badly. Mitrovic missed last penalty, think he wasn't on pitch anyway, so up steps Lookman looking confident, and he does that....like wow.
Ah I wondered why Mitrovic didn't take it, he actually was on the pitch. Forgot about the miss a few games back. I would expect that Lookman probably won't take one for Fulham again lol. Surely they are the worst team at penalties in the prem, they are so bad at them.
In Serie A news, Juve just coughed up a 95th minute equaliser to Lazio. Leaves Sassuolo (who?) second and gives Milan the opportunity to open up a 6 point gap over the others if they beat Verona.
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Mitrovic has not had a good record with penalties, I think he's like 7/12 or something. My FPL would benefit significantly if he started scoring them again tho.. Speaking of penalties, Vardy now 1 scored and 1 missed vs Wolves, good save from Patricio on the second one right there.
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Klopp going gung ho vs pep at home
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United Kingdom10011 Posts
On November 09 2020 01:46 sharkie wrote:
Klopp going gung ho vs pep at home
So's Craig Pawson 
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Sick from Jesus that holy shit.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Yeah these pens are getting stupid lol. Nuts rule needs to change fast.
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On November 09 2020 02:12 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah these pens are getting stupid lol. Nuts rule needs to change fast.
I dont think even the referee wants to give that one but he has to haha
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United Kingdom10011 Posts
I don't think either should have been penalties. The City one was worse cos the rules say penalty but everyone in the world thinks no pen. The Liverpool pen was just a reffing mistake.
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On November 09 2020 02:16 Jockmcplop wrote:
I don't think either should have been penalties. The City one was worse cos the rules say penalty but everyone in the world thinks no pen. The Liverpool pen was just a reffing mistake.
Walker tripped mane - you saw it in his reaction...
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Norway28910 Posts
Meh I think City's penalty was fine here. They already gave referees more leeway in whether or not to call. Here, I think the arm was sufficiently protruded from the body and there was enough distance between the passer and the defender where it could have been called last season, too. Imo that was one of the most legit handball penalties I've seen called all season.
(And Liverpool's penalty was a clear penalty.)
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