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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18017 Posts
It looked to me like Baynes rolled over Curry as he tried to break his fall with his left hand. welp, this is D'angelo Russell's team now. EDIT : i guess its official now. ESPN reporting. https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27971481/steph-curry-suffers-broken-left-hand-hard-fall-suns | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
JimmyJ is right with curry. He normally grades out as an average to slightly above average defender. When you put him with Klay, Draymond, Durant and Iguodala, he’s obviously the weakest link. It’s dumb to call him a weak defender based on that. Who else would you want to target? Refs determined that Simmons was acting as a peacemaking with that headlock. Towns was tapping out. Haha | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
Now they gonna tank and get a #1 pick to replace Durant | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On October 31 2019 05:57 JimmyJRaynor wrote: "ever so slightly over rated" is an impossible statement to test because it depends on who is doing the "over rating" of Curry. I'd say Curry is really damn good. His ability to run an offense isn't worth debating. He is all world on offense. He is a smart, but physically weak small defender who is unwilling to sacrifice his body the way small players like VanVleet and Lowry are. I'd say Curry's defense is slightly above average. His defense looks bad in the playoffs because Golden State is always playing really good teams in the final 2 rounds of the playoffs. In the regular season against normal NBA teams Curry's defense is solid ... if unspectacular. As far as the 2019 Raptors "exposing" Golden State last year? ummm, The Raptors had the best winning percentage against the Western Conference of any team last year. So I guess the Raptors "exposed" the entire Western Conference. The Clippers are scheduled to start a back-to-back tonight. Leonard is out tonight. The Raptors, for the first time ever, are getting regular season games placed on the primary SportsNet Ontario or SNO network. This is a big concession by Rogers Media who paid 87 Bazillion dollars for the overwhelming majority of NHL TV rights. The secondary SportsNet channels are called SN360 and SN1. Until this year that is where all Rogers Media Raptors games and NBA games were shown. They did not appear on the main network. Hockey is on the decline in Canada and this move by Rogers Media is just another sign of it. LOL NO! How the Raptors exposed the Warriors, let me count the ways - Before the finals, even without KD, everyone was saying hurrdurr GSW gonna piss on the Raptors 4-0 or 4-1 mercy kill. KD cupcake not needed by Warriors - Curry will have his way around FVV and he will wreck havoc on Raps defense by switching all night - Kawhi is injured (ahem, and I can seem to recall one particular user here who posts all this laughable pseudo-medical diagnosis) and cant handle the Warriors - And then Raptors 1, then 2, then 3, whoopsies. - GSW needs Durant afterall, despite all the fakers jumping up and down on the short winning run of GSW when Durant was injured before the finals - And then Klay went down. Further exposing GSW's weakness that Curry is at best an ok defender, and Draymond is too high risk that even his elite defense could suffer given sufficient number of things not going his way. So yeah no. There was hype for the Raps, but no one expected them to even win 2 games. Yet they exposed all the weaknesses of GSW which remained hidden beneath all that halfcourt threes shooting fete and KD signing, and I will spell them out here now just for your education - Curry is A-Class, but can be abused defensively (happened in 2015 too), KT is the real secret weapon, Draymond is an elite defender, but can be an immense liability of his own doing, they have a blackhole sized-gap which was sufficiently filled by KD - the best player in the NBA, versatile defender, and offensive superpower, and this made it easy for everyone to relax and play with confidence since they have a legit superstar who can score at will, just as the Warriors offensive system benefits Durant to play freely, and finally, speaking of which, motion offense is garbage without the correct players, just as the triangle is garbage without great 2-way players like Jordan Pippen and Kobe like players (see Melo NY, Nash-Nowitzki Mavs, Mourning Heat, list goes on). See Warriors now. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
Curry's defense is really good on smaller guys since he's got quick hands and feet and plays solid team defense. Of course he struggles against bigger players. All and all I would say he is an average NBA defender. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18017 Posts
On November 01 2019 20:30 Twinkle Toes wrote: So yeah no. There was hype for the Raps, but no one expected them to even win 2 games. huh? most predicted a 6 or 7 game series. https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26840350/nba-finals-experts-predictions-warriors-raptors-finals-mvp Zach Lowe, who actually watches the Raptors on a regular basis, had Golden State in 7 I wouldn't put too much stock in the typical analyst who has a national US profile. Most of those guys don't watch the Raptors on a regular basis. and, btw, FVV was playing the finals with a hip pointer. On November 01 2019 20:30 Twinkle Toes wrote: - And then Klay went down. Further exposing GSW's weakness that Curry is at best an ok defender, and Draymond is too high risk that even his elite defense could suffer given sufficient number of things not going his way. I wouldn't call losing 2 starters to major injuries for the remainder of the playoffs "being exposed". "being exposed" is when a winning team has a weakness seriously exploited; then other teams start doing the same thing to take advantage of the same weakness. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18017 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
edit: Nobody even mentioned the concussion protocol either. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On November 01 2019 22:30 Elroi wrote: I don't think many people thought the warriors were heavy favorites against the Raptors with KD injured. Klay was also in and out of the line up and so was Looney. Not to take anything away from the Raptors but they didn't expose the Warriors in any way. I think the warriors could become one of the top contenders next season again if Klay comes back in similar shape and they get a good pick this season. It is a really good organisation when it comes to player development, coaching and culture. Their biggest problem is Draymond not being the player he once was. Curry's defense is really good on smaller guys since he's got quick hands and feet and plays solid team defense. Of course he struggles against bigger players. All and all I would say he is an average NBA defender. How quickly you forget. Warriors had an amazing 6+ game run when KD was injured leading to the playoffs. The team looked too good that everyone thought the Warriors were better without KD. You remember now? In all the playoffs until the finals, all people were talking about were how Curry and Klay would take turns exploding on the Raptors, them stretching Kawhi and abusing Lowry and the mobsquad. Then the Raptors started winning. Boom! Of course a large factor to this are the injuries to Klay and Looney, but don't you ever forget how everyone thought Warriors will fair better vs. the Raptors without KD. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18017 Posts
Nick Nurse using Siakam to guard Giannis was a mistake. OG should've guarded him. You can't have your #1 weapon on offense who is prone to getting offensive fouls also risking defensive fouls on almost every Milwaukee possession.. No one should be shocked by Siakam getting into foul trouble early in the game. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
On November 02 2019 14:24 Twinkle Toes wrote: How quickly you forget. Warriors had an amazing 6+ game run when KD was injured leading to the playoffs. The team looked too good that everyone thought the Warriors were better without KD. You remember now? In all the playoffs until the finals, all people were talking about were how Curry and Klay would take turns exploding on the Raptors, them stretching Kawhi and abusing Lowry and the mobsquad. Then the Raptors started winning. Boom! Of course a large factor to this are the injuries to Klay and Looney, but don't you ever forget how everyone thought Warriors will fair better vs. the Raptors without KD. Sure, thats right people were suggesting things like that, but I don't think anyone who knew anything about basketball seriously thought that. I don't remember anyone of the talking heads on TV saying that for instance. But I might be wrong. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18017 Posts
On November 04 2019 02:43 Elroi wrote: Sure, thats right people were suggesting things like that, but I don't think anyone who knew anything about basketball seriously thought that. I don't remember anyone of the talking heads on TV saying that for instance. But I might be wrong. i posted this earlier. https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26840350/nba-finals-experts-predictions-warriors-raptors-finals-mvp most had it as a close 6 or 7 game series. Zach Lowe, who actually watches the Raptors on a regular basis, had Golden State in 7 | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On October 30 2019 21:42 Twinkle Toes wrote: I agree with your points in general but the "single shot" point is naive simplification of the whole thing. The game was not decided on that alone, but the entire 48 minutes of points and play. We can agree that despite all our different valuations and assessment of team strength, the 2016 Cavs and 2016 Warriors were pretty even, despite the hype around the Warriors. I agree with how KD's signing wouldnt allow us to have an objective evaluation of how great core GSW really, but I can say as much that there was a healthy amount of luck and stars aligning for GSW to be hyped as much. Curry is just ever so slightly overrated, Klay is underrated, Green is super elite defensively but, like Curry, has fatal flaws that could lose the game. I recall now as well that the GSW's 2015 playoff run was helped by a lot of Western guards being injured during the playoffs. Don't get me wrong though, core GSW was a great team. but not one the greatest, even if they went 73-9. 1996-1998 Bulls, 2001-2002 Lakers, heck even 2004 Pistons could have beaten them in a Bo7 series. We need to define these terms "exposed" and "GSW needs Kevin Durant." What does "GSW needs Kevin Durant" mean? Do they need him to be the all-time greatest team and be virtually guaranteed a ring? Then yes, I agree. Do they need him to be title contenders? No, obviously not since they already won a ring without him and nearly a 2nd. Just to go back to the "Cavs exposed GSW" point. Sure, the game was decided on the whole 48 minutes and not just a single shot. But when the game was tied with 1 minute to go were you already thinking "Cavs exposed GSW" or did that opinion come 1 minute later? If GSW wins that game I don't see how that could be considered anything but the best season of basketball ever. Best regular season record ever and then winning in the finals against a team with 3 all-star caliber players, including LeBron James, widely considered the best player of the era who led BOTH teams in points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks for the series. Also while dealing with a Green suspension and an injury to Bogut. So when the game is tied with 1 minute to go are you thinking either "GSW is about to be exposed" or "This is about to be one of the greatest seasons of basketball I've ever witnessed." It's hard to think that 1 minute of basketball can swing an opinion into such extreme opposites. Also if you want to argue that GSW was overrated and bolstered by Steph Curry's historic regular season performance and their playoff run was aided by injured Western Conference guards - imo an entire individual season of basketball and an entire playoffs run are less "stars aligning" flukes than losing a single game by 3 points. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
Here's a list of every team in NBA history to ever shoot > 56 eFG% in a season 2015-16 Warriors 2016-17 Warriors 2017-18 Warriors 2018-19 Warriors That's it. That's the end of the list. | ||
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