EPT2019 - 2020 Football Thread - Page 226
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Dante08
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sneakyfox
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Dante08
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On August 15 2020 05:55 WillyWanker wrote: Barça didn't even play that bad, they just aren't anywhere near Bayern's level. That's what makes it 100% Bartomeu's fault and at the end I was wishing for more goals (even happy Coutinho scored 2) so maybe they get early elections. But sadly with the virus the league starts again in a few weeks and there's no way they can do so many changes that fast. Next year is going to be just as bad if not worse. If I'm Messi, I'm changing clubs right now. Does the coach need to take alot of the blame for this loss? Yes the players are quite old overall but this is still a decent team on paper and no way a should they be losing 8-2 even to a superior Bayern team. | ||
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On August 15 2020 06:03 WillyWanker wrote: We got Pjanic, no worries. 2020-21 is going to be a hell of a season in Spain. Real can't recruit either. Pique just said the clubs need a lot of changes, and not only players or coaches. And he's saying he's offering to leave himself to change the cycle. Good. With the difference that Real already did their overhaul. Not with big transfers, but with younger players. Other than the central forward position, they are pretty much set and need experience. If they somehow make Jovic work, their only problems are called James and Bale. | ||
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WillyWanker
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September 12 the start of the next season. No way the team can change that much. They need to find a new coach, who will want to get in this crap? Especially with elections next year. There's not going to be a pre season. 20-21 is already f'd. Only chance is la liga because I don't think Madrid will be very impressive either. | ||
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Dante08
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nayumi
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On August 15 2020 06:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: lol this dumb cunt... because conceding 8 goals was the fault of the board or the bus driver ps i was referring to Pique ...  | ||
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WillyWanker
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zev318
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On August 15 2020 06:42 WillyWanker wrote: This quote is misleading. He offered to leave the club because he knows he's part of the problem. His interview was actually very good, touching even. depends on how you look at that. you can spin it that he sees the club in trouble and is trying to jump ship as soon as he can right after a huge loss. | ||
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sharkie
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25484 Posts
On August 15 2020 04:31 sneirac wrote: They can score two, they even might score 4, but theyll need 8 at the rate this is going. Alright Nostradamus calm down! | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4128 Posts
And of course Messi. But if there was any indication he was going to leave this season would be it. First priority should be revamping the defense and finding a Suarez replacement. | ||
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sneakyfox
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WombaT
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On August 15 2020 07:09 Dante08 wrote: Actually are people overreacting a little? Yes it the outlook is absolutely shit but with a new coach and 2-3 new signings (where ever they get the money) Barcelona can be back to competing again. They still have very good players in De Jong, Ter Steven, Lenglet, Ansu Fati, Griezmann, Dembele etc. And of course Messi. But if there was any indication he was going to leave this season would be it. First priority should be revamping the defense and finding a Suarez replacement. They don’t have money in the pot to do the rebuilding job needed because they’ve pissed it away over years of completely disjointed recruitment. It’ll be tricky given the talent that has value even in a Covid deflated market is also the talent they need to rebuild around. I don’t think they’ll need a huge amount to still be competitive in La Liga but to get back to competing with Europe’s elite looks quite a while off. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4128 Posts
On August 15 2020 07:23 Wombat_NI wrote: They don’t have money in the pot to do the rebuilding job needed because they’ve pissed it away over years of completely disjointed recruitment. It’ll be tricky given the talent that has value even in a Covid deflated market is also the talent they need to rebuild around. I don’t think they’ll need a huge amount to still be competitive in La Liga but to get back to competing with Europe’s elite looks quite a while off. That’s true, they can probably still be top 2-3 La Liga with minimal recruitment but competing for CL looks to be years away. It really is rebuilding mode for Barca now. And one can argue it has been that way for years (since Neymar and Enrique). | ||
Pandemona
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On August 15 2020 07:14 sneakyfox wrote: Barca spending all that big bucks on Dembele, Coutinho, and Griezmann, but missing out on De Ligt has really got to hurt now. Yeah minus dembele and plus De Ligt makes this team a lot stronger, even just that one player to play alongside or replace Pique. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25484 Posts
On August 15 2020 07:34 Dante08 wrote: That’s true, they can probably still be top 2-3 La Liga with minimal recruitment but competing for CL looks to be years away. It really is rebuilding mode for Barca now. And one can argue it has been that way for years (since Neymar and Enrique). Obviously talented players can find a way, feels a weird squad. Feels you have a bunch of guys tailor made for the so-called ‘tiki taka’ and a bunch of other blokes who would excel in a lightning fast counter-attacking side. Enrique’s MSN side was a bit in the middle between a counter focused side and the near-dogma of Pep, bit less possession based, bit more direct to accentuate the strengths of that phenomenal front three. Feels unlikely because more than almost any club Barca are tethered to a certain way of playing. If this board survives I see there being 0 chance of them going ‘we’ve hung on, our next trick is changing the Barca way’. If a new board comes in it’ll be in a ‘return to the Barca way’ too no doubt. There are some positives, I think De Jong has shown glimpses of what he can do, but an 8-2 shellacking may precipitate the clearout that’s actually needed of the old guard. De Jong showed his best stuff playing where Busquets does and Barca might be able to bite the bullet and get the best out of this asset. It’s almost better to get demolished than to go out in a tight one as a proper rebuild is easier to sell. Messi is so unbelievably good technically in tight spaces and with his close control and dribbling, a wondergoal every other game etc that his passing range is almost forgotten. I think they should experiment with him playing deeper. He’s going to have to eventually. This is of course assuming Barca don’t manage much additional recruitment, just considering the pieces at play now Messi is of course Messi, he’s a luxury player how which is fine by me, I kind of miss when more teams had luxury players! Do you keep him in the front 3 or drop him deeper? Where are Barca in theory stocked? You drop him deeper and you can play Griezman in one of his two best positions, and you have a fearsomely fast potential front line with Fati and Dembele if he can keep fit. That could be pretty potent. But then you have a midfield of De Jong, Pjanic and Messi. Possibly defensively a bit lacking :p This is the maddening thing even theorycrafting with Barca, their squad acquisition makes almost zero sense. Coutinho was great as a 10, or off the left of the front 3 for Liverpool. There wasn’t really a space for him given existing personnel. Griezmann was fantastic either playing off a 9 as a second striker, or playing from the right in a 3, in counter-attacking sides. I recall a comment from a football journalist on this saying that he’s somehow joined the only club in world football who have a guy in Messi who is better in both positions! Dembele has been unlucky with injuries to be fair. This isn’t even counting the multitude of transfers below the huge fee mark that haven’t come off. Pretty grim reading | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On August 15 2020 07:09 Dante08 wrote: Actually are people overreacting a little? Yes it the outlook is absolutely shit but with a new coach and 2-3 new signings (where ever they get the money) Barcelona can be back to competing again. They still have very good players in De Jong, Ter Steven, Lenglet, Ansu Fati, Griezmann, Dembele etc. And of course Messi. But if there was any indication he was going to leave this season would be it. First priority should be revamping the defense and finding a Suarez replacement. Eh Barca has made a lot of new signings and it still hasn’t worked so there’s nothing to guarantee it will if they keep doing it. The problem lies within their ability to get a coach or players that can play around Messi. But by doing so they are pretty much putting all their eggs in the Messi basket, who is already on the other side of the hill. So you can see how Barcelona has been in a huge dilemma where they signed new talents like Griezman or De Jong to build a new generation of winners for the day when Messi calls it in, but at the same time they have been trying to force these new players to play around Messi. If they are fortunate they might find a way to make this work, or the easier way out will be to get rid of Messi and co, and put your efforts on the new gen. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25484 Posts
On August 15 2020 08:16 Pandemona wrote: Yeah minus dembele and plus De Ligt makes this team a lot stronger, even just that one player to play alongside or replace Pique. Even at Juve with the likes of Bonucci et al it took De Ligt a while to settle and start doing his thing and he’s certainly been a good acquisition for Juve. Every chance you throw a 19/20 year old into the spotlight at a club as huge as Barcelona and expect him to solve their defensive problems overnight the guy wilts under that expectation. Virgil could do it at Liverpool because he was a more mature player who got to develop as a player. Plus he’s really, really fucking good too (not that De Ligt isn’t) | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25484 Posts
On August 15 2020 08:35 nayumi wrote: Eh Barca has made a lot of new signings and it still hasn’t worked so there’s nothing to guarantee it will if they keep doing it. The problem lies within their ability to get a coach or players that can play around Messi. But by doing so they are pretty much putting all their eggs in the Messi basket, who is already on the other side of the hill. So you can see how Barcelona has been in a huge dilemma where they signed new talents like Griezman or De Jong to build a new generation of winners for the day when Messi calls it in, but at the same time they have been trying to force these new players to play around Messi. If they are fortunate they might find a way to make this work, or the easier way out will be to get rid of Messi and co, and put your efforts on the new gen. I don’t think Messi is on the wrong side of the hill. He’s just not good enough to carry a team that doesn’t particularly work. If he could handle deferring to a really demanding coach, I Messi at Man City would be scary even at his current age. As good as David Silva is, of a comparable age well he’s not Messi. Stars need to align. I really, really dislike Man City too. For us neutrals who want to see Messi elsewhere for novelty. Barca got dumpstered. City fail to win the Champions League this season. As a combo I reckon that might see City go all out for Messi to push them over the line. Barca’s recruitment though... I’m reminded of (and I need little excuse) of one of the more aggravating transfers to me, namely Veron to Man United. Fergie spent big on a Rolls Royce of a player, 30 million was big at the time with the theory to give them an extra dimension in Europe. A few flashes but ultimately Fergie didn’t want to break up the Keane/Scholes axis and it was a waste of both money and a truly great player. Barca’s recent recruitment has basically been signing 5 Verons in succession without a success story to interrupt that sequence. It is genuinely that bad and in my 20 odd years in following football plus delving deeper into its history I can honesty find no parallels. With elite teams anyway. | ||
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