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I almost opted to censore (doing it myself) this time around, but here you go:
the best team of the past 5 years doesn't mean they were unbeatable during this period or even the best team during every week/month of this 5 year period, it means they produced the best overall results / played the best (whichever metric you prefer) during this period. That's how I mean it anyway.
They were the most helped... not the best team.
To make it relatable, I have the impression that you think Brazil is 'the best country in football of all time', right? (I do, with Germany a fairly close second.)
It is, by far, Germany and Italy and maybe Argentina aren't fairly close.
It's not like they've won every single world cup, they've just had the best overall performance.
You imagine what would have been if FIFA was our mamma.
Similarly, the past 5 years Germany won one world cup, lost in semi in one european championship, are 17-1-2 in other qualification matches. Easily won the confederation cup with b squad (not against the best other teams though).
2014 WC: "Destroyed" 10 man from the start Portugal, Ghana (DRAW), USA (1-0), Algeria (DRAW then extra-time 2-1), Ribery-less France (1-0), Neymar-less Brazil, Tevez/etc-less Argentina (DRAW then extra-time 1-0).
2016 Euro: even Wales reached the semi. Even Portugal reached the final (and won, without Cristiano).
European qualification: doesn't really matter, most are weak teams and you have 14 spots lol.
2017 Confeds: not easy, there was a lot of manipulation especially in the groups then, in the end, and they got one goal and defended themselves against the Copa cheaters, I mean, champions. Besides, at that time their "B team" was better than their A.
Portugal won the EC, but were eliminated in group stages in 2014 (behind Germany and USA).
I don't care. They lost with 10 man in the entire 1st game, were without Pepe for the next games. When you lose the 1st game in WC it's hard to track back, it's not the Euro where a 3rd placed Portugal with 0 wins can win the cup.
France got second in the EC, lost RO8 to Germany in the WC. WC qualification they went 7-2-1 in a tougher group than Germany had (one draw home vs luxembourg though), didn't have to qualify for the EC. Completely honest assessment - result wise a bit worse than Germany, but performance wise I think they are on the level and I think it's fair if you think they've played slightly better overall - imo they're less consistent and have less squad depth tho.
Don't care.
Brazil, while they've breezed through a tough WC qualification, lost to germany in the WC, lost copa america 2015 against paraguay in RO8, lost group stage copa america 2016 behind Peru and Equador..
Brazil didn't breeze through the qualification from the start. We lost to the referees in WC. Neymar wasn't taken out in a fair way, nor was he in 2015 Copa America that was arranged for chileans. 2016 he wasn't even allowed to play otherwise they would forbid him from Olympics and hand it to germans who would then say Neymar wouldn't have made a difference. 2016 Brazil was taken out by a hand ball goal, in 2015 a Neymar "handball" (that he didn't even score and was just the ball rebounding from the GK after his header and unintentionally bumping his hand when he's falling) saw him suspended. What happened in the Cup a little less than 5 years ago? Brazil 3-0 in the team that someone here claimed is the best again.
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If you want to disprove the statement "german are the best team of the last 5 years", then you should come up with saying, "team X was better than germany over the last 5 years".
No, I'll just say that there is no clear best team of the last 5 years. If it could have been clear, FIFA didn't let it. And whenever they can, they will use even VAR for that intent.
Come on, millions of French are also Algerian and follow the team closely, I've not seen any complaints about rigged games despite very educated comments on the team... Cameroon also does not have a bright generation atm.
No one even watches the African qualifiers to complain, you just had to see their groups with 4 weak teams in a group, and 4 strong ones in the same group in another. I don't believe in luck anywhere nor for anyone in football.
You should allow people to delete posts they just posted. When I remembered I was once censored for giving my opinion (other reasons could have been applied for others but were only applied for me), I was going to avoid another argument/discussion, would have deleted that other post I had after the Norwich's post, and would have waited some time to answer (if I would)... 
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On June 04 2018 05:52 N1E wrote:Show nested quote +If you want to disprove the statement "german are the best team of the last 5 years", then you should come up with saying, "team X was better than germany over the last 5 years". No, I'll just say that there is no clear best team of the last 5 years. If it could have been clear, FIFA didn't let it. Show nested quote +Come on, millions of French are also Algerian and follow the team closely, I've not seen any complaints about rigged games despite very educated comments on the team... Cameroon also does not have a bright generation atm. No one even watches the African qualifiers to complain, you just had to see their groups with 4 weak teams in a group, and 4 strong ones in the same group in another. I don't believe in luck anywhere nor for anyone in football.
Of course the French Algerians watch Algeria's games, I've jsut said you they follow the team closely.
And 7 1 is not a result you can blame on the ref...
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On June 04 2018 05:57 nojok wrote:And 7 1 is not a result you can blame on the ref...
Yes I can, or are you telling me a high Karate knee in the back of our number 10 to break his bone isn't even a foul? It wasn't a stand apart thing, they were already hunting him during the tourney, and referees were allowing it.
I could say the best team in the world in the past 5 years is Brazil with Neymar? Check his records. His only loss was 1-0 to the referee, ops, I mean to Colombia in 2015 Copa America in Chile I think? A result that wouldn't see them out of the group anyway as they had already won the 1st game vs Peru?
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lol dude if your argument basically boils down to 'brazil would have won everything always if referees or FIFA or injuries weren't hindering us' then yeah I'll talk to somebody else instead.
Football can be evaluated in two different ways. Either you objectively look at results, or you subjectively look at performance. The way you consistently claim 'but the referees' is basically you trying to subjectively look at the results. There's no point in trying to discuss with you then.
But anyway; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_table_of_the_FIFA_World_Cup
Total points won from world cup games (win 3 point draw 1 loss 0), Brazil 227, Germany 218, Italy 156, Argentina 140, Spain 99. that's top 5. I see a Brazil as #1, Germany as close #2, with a huge gap down to Italy. Also, as you seemed to be confused (did you think East Germany won a world cup?), this table has germany being west germany/ unified germany, while east germany is a separate team.
While you can't really compare point to point, or even amount of championships, between the Copa America and the Euro cup, it's still interesting that Germany pretty much dominates the overall EC Table, while Brazil is a distant third when looking at Copa America performance. (Uruguay has 15 wins, Argentina 14, Brazil only 8).
I mean I'm not trying to argue that Brazil isn't the best team overall, I specifically stated that I think they are. But the way you are giving some type of ridiculous excuse for every game or tournament that somehow didn't end up going Brazil's way, or even teams that have Brazilian players.. It's some kind of combination of delusional and pathetic. You could even just argue 'luck' and it'd have way more merit to it - there's a whole lot of randomness involved in football.
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Germany won 1-0 an World Cup final with a late unexistent penalty in 1990 lol. Otherwise only Italy would have 4 World Cups. Then there's Beckenbauer buying cups... oh well. Germany are strong but not that above Italy and Argentina, and much below Brazil. They won cups playing with 2 national teams, that's still a fact.
delusional and pathetic
It's just reality, son. You obviously wouldn't understand and even if you could, it wouldn't be convenient to see huh, european?
Luck has no place, like Penaldo kicking one of his 30 free-kicks in the middle of Gremio's barrier and fluking a goal... when in fact that wouldn't have happened if in the previous play that clear Sergio Ramos penalty had been called on Gremio's Ramiro when it was 0-0.
But I guess that's just an excuse? Like Madrid disgusting clear to daylight, not subjective at all, cheat against Kashima in the prior edition?
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How come all your favorite teams consistently lose due to refereeing errors? It must be really frustrating that FIFA is out to get you, personally. I mean, they hate, in no particular order: Brazil, Gremio, PSG, and Barcelona. No wonder you're so angsty. The world is out to get you, man.
E: oh, and Algeria.
And on top of that, you are all outta gasoline. Must really suck.
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The Neymar suspension 2015 for the non handball was for the last group game which Brazil won. They were eliminated in the quarterfinals on penalties without Neymar, because he had lost his head at the end of the Colombia game and committed violent conduct and was banned for 4 games.
How convenient you left that out, but then again now we remember it, surely it was justified because of fifa corruption and he should never have been suspended in the first place.
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People don't even care about the club world cup man.. And they won with West-Germany and then they won with Germany. That's them first winning with 70% of the country and then with 100%, not playing with two national teams. East Germany existing made Germany weaker, they did not give them 'two chances' to win, East Germany only qualified for one world cup ever - 1974 - and West Germany happened to win that one. (Incidentally, the only game they lost was against East Germany. ) I mean tbh there's a stronger argument to be made for 'if they had always been unified, maybe they'd have won more', not that I really care to make it.
I mean how is it that you have problems with accepting a ranking that goes Brazil #1 Germany #2? :D
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How come all your favorite teams consistently lose due to refereeing errors? It must be really frustrating that FIFA is out to get you, personally. I mean, they hate, in no particular order: Brazil, Gremio, PSG, and Barcelona. No wonder you're so angsty. The world is out to get you, man.
Hmm, I cheer for Gremio and Brasil. The others aren't much more than the moment. And they don't really consistently lose, after all even so no team in Brazil has won more Libertadores than Gremio?
E: oh, and Algeria.
Lol, I was just highlighting Germany's awesomeness.
The Neymar suspension 2015 for the non handball was for the last group game which Brazil won. They were eliminated in the quarterfinals on penalties without Neymar, because he had lost his head at the end of the Colombia game and committed violent conduct and was banned for 4 games.
Yeah? Care to explain the Cavani case too? Neymar was chasing performances to battle divas Vomitessi and Penaldo for the Blatter d'Or. He was unfairly suspended of the 3rd match, and thus that happened. He didn't hurt anyone? I didn't see anyone getting over suspended post game when they broke his back the previous year?
How convenient you left that out, but then again now we remember it, surely it was justified because of fifa corruption and he should never have been suspended in the first place.
Oh you want me to remember every little detail? I was already lenghty, and I have you to remember that sort of thing.
I mean how is it that you have problems with accepting a ranking that goes Brazil #1 Germany #2? :D
Who cares? Like I said I tried to avoid this meaningless discussion but then I could no longer back.
People don't even care about the club world cup man.
Yes they do. They don't when cheaters win by default, or when rich teams keep losing to weak teams. If it was more leveled then perhaps ye it would be even more important. People still care. Not when you barely ever won it or even hardly have a team there (or in the final), of course.
That's them first winning with 70% of the country and then with 100%, not playing with two national teams. East Germany existing made Germany weaker, they did not give them 'two chances' to win, East Germany only qualified for one world cup ever - 1974 - and West Germany happened to win that one. (Incidentally, the only game they lost was against East Germany. ) I mean tbh there's a stronger argument to be made for 'if they had always been unified, maybe they'd have won more', not that I really care to make it.
Yea, then explain me small Uruguay winning 2 WCs? Germany played internationals with 2 national teams.
And on top of that, you are all outta gasoline. Must really suck.
Sucking isn't a bad thing! 
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Uruguay won when the world cup was 4 teams, and one of them was Belgium... I mean, it wasn't at all a comparable tournament. I mean, it's still a great performance, but the world cup was very different.
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It's intriguing to see a Brazilian complaining about FIFA when it was actually a corrupt Brazilian who ruled it from 74 to 98.
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"from 74 to 98." How many titles Brazil won during that period?
He filled his pockets. CBF corrupts don't benefit Brazil or the national team. They actually sell themselves for briberies, after all the money isn't coming from here. My state (farthest to south) would have been better off without those leechers actually.
And did I read that FIFA hates Barcelona? They loved them this season, they not only benefitted them, but they also stop helping Madrid domestically (this season)!
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On June 04 2018 06:09 Liquid`Drone wrote:lol dude if your argument basically boils down to 'brazil would have won everything always if referees or FIFA or injuries weren't hindering us' then yeah I'll talk to somebody else instead. Football can be evaluated in two different ways. Either you objectively look at results, or you subjectively look at performance. The way you consistently claim 'but the referees' is basically you trying to subjectively look at the results. There's no point in trying to discuss with you then. But anyway; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_table_of_the_FIFA_World_CupTotal points won from world cup games (win 3 point draw 1 loss 0), Brazil 227, Germany 218, Italy 156, Argentina 140, Spain 99. that's top 5. I see a Brazil as #1, Germany as close #2, with a huge gap down to Italy. Also, as you seemed to be confused (did you think East Germany won a world cup?), this table has germany being west germany/ unified germany, while east germany is a separate team. While you can't really compare point to point, or even amount of championships, between the Copa America and the Euro cup, it's still interesting that Germany pretty much dominates the overall EC Table, while Brazil is a distant third when looking at Copa America performance. (Uruguay has 15 wins, Argentina 14, Brazil only 8). I mean I'm not trying to argue that Brazil isn't the best team overall, I specifically stated that I think they are. But the way you are giving some type of ridiculous excuse for every game or tournament that somehow didn't end up going Brazil's way, or even teams that have Brazilian players.. It's some kind of combination of delusional and pathetic. You could even just argue 'luck' and it'd have way more merit to it - there's a whole lot of randomness involved in football.
At this point i'm pretty sure N1E is intentionally trolling everyone in this thread because no one can be this stupid.
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Care to elaborate or justify? Or should I just take that one just like the random gasoline thing?
And how are the Kangaroos? What team are they cheering for in the FIFA WC? Probably one from another continent 
It's intriguing to see a Brazilian complaining about FIFA when it was actually a corrupt Brazilian who ruled it from 74 to 98.
This was seriously said by a portuguese right now, and I'm the troll or stupid?
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The Kangaroos are doing fine it's obvious that we're way better than Brazil because we are the reigning champions of the Asian cup while Brazil never even made it to the final.
Go suck an egg!
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i liked this thread better before n1e came along. its so cancerous to read his posts.
like....you could at least try and remove the delusion and bias from your posts and youd still probably be able to make your points. instead you just sound like a bitter 12 yr old being passive aggressive with emoticons
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I'm just here to say Turkey2002 was the best darkhorse of all time 
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On June 04 2018 13:50 evilfatsh1t wrote:
i liked this thread better before n1e came along. its so cancerous to read his posts.
like....you could at least try and remove the delusion and bias from your posts and youd still probably be able to make your points. instead you just sound like a bitter 12 yr old being passive aggressive with emoticons
We already had enough toxicity with Rebs indeed
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