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nojok
France15846 Posts
On the other hand, no matter who the players are, Germany will step up their game for the world cup. 2002 final, 2006 semis with very average, if not poor, squads by their standards, 2010 with the world cup winning squad but they were so young, yet reached 3rd place. The Germans are the favourites. | ||
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N1E
Brazil186 Posts
haha... Ronaldos (even fat and with knee screwed) and cia beg to differ. that Germany has 1 title when Neymar was Karate'd in the back and not even a foul was called, they weren't even the same team that won the Confederations Cup. They DREW with Ghana. Also with Algeria and Argentina (in normal time). Please... Also from the start they played a team of 10 man (Portugal), then only beat USA 1-0? Yeah... Shits and giggles and GOLD OLYMPIC MEDALS a part... jk I've nothing more to say, just wanted to remember the GOLD OYLMPIC MEDAL of a national team that didn't need 2 NATIONAL TEAMS to win multiple world cups in their history. :O | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28910 Posts
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18761 Posts
And 2018 WC Germany squad IS weaker than 2014. They lost Lahm (one of the best if not best fullback in the 21st century), Klose (top scorer of WCs) and Schweinsteiger who literally pushed himself to his limits to lead Germany to WC win. Schweinsteiger's loss could be very felt if the games dont go Germany's way. But they are still favourites for this WC imo | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
France better than Germany as proven in Euros Spain are the best in the world right now for me Brazil are defo better than 2014 now as well Germany have not improved vastly and imo gone backwards since 2014. On June 04 2018 00:02 nojok wrote: Spain never looked like losing except they lost 1 game. They're by far the most boring winners ever and they had a golden generation. On the other hand, no matter who the players are, Germany will step up their game for the world cup. 2002 final, 2006 semis with very average, if not poor, squads by their standards, 2010 with the world cup winning squad but they were so young, yet reached 3rd place. The Germans are the favourites. Yeah i said about that loss, it was with 10men to Switzerland in groups, but whilst they were boring, it was the height of tika taka which i hate, but they dominated with it. Was lowest scoring world cup that as well so all the 1-0s wins not to bad. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6322 Posts
On June 03 2018 22:48 N1E wrote: funny how you fail to see I actually mentioned it, but let me copy-paste it: "...plus their game against a clueless Felipao side who spent years building a team around Neymar (who was hunted during the tourney, allowed by FIFA referees), and screwed up with his couple days of preparation, didn't really help in Euro Cup huh?" Embarassing is talking when you don't have anything close to 5 world cups, 4 confederations cups, 6 olympic medals and the best player(s) in history. Embarassing is winning 1-0 with a made-up penalty in final *winks at 1990*. Not a very good example right now, fellow dutch.  Indeed but couldn't think of another example haha. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28910 Posts
However even with Germany's easy group, 10-0-0 is still a rarity in modern football. Since 1982, there are only two teams to ever go through the uefa qualification with a 10-0-0 score - Spain in 2010 and Germany in 2018. And to show the depth of the German team, they had twenty-one different goal scorers going through the qualification. I watched a couple of their games and thought they looked really good, anyway. But like if people want to argue that this German team is less good than in 2014, meh, be my guest. They're still the best team of the past 5 years, reigning champions, and pretty much tied with Brazil for bookmaker favorite. | ||
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N1E
Brazil186 Posts
That one score is for the generations, not the team itself or all the performances. At least not yet (if ever). They're still the best team of the past 5 years, reigning champions, and pretty much tied with Brazil for bookmaker favorite. Why Portugal reached the final and won the Euro Cup final (Cristiano-less) then? But yea, maybe the team that just lost to Austria is the best team... | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 03 2018 22:36 nojok wrote: The thing is that lining up 5 or 6 players from the same club is very very helpful. Juve, Barca, Bayern were the last 3 world champions... Of course they will have a better teamwork than the teams having players who barely played together. ermm pretty sure 2006 WC was around Calcio so hardly if any of the starters in the Italian Squad were from Juve..+ Show Spoiler + (although I dont think Calcio had anything to do with it. Juve had alot of foreign players in the starting slots who were either near washed up anyway or booked it out after the demotion.) Then again Italy's success is precisely because the way they play never required a super high level of understanding in offense. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
I loved that Italian side  | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 04 2018 02:18 Pandemona wrote: Yeah they had Pirlo, the best defense the world has ever seen, a world class amazing top 5 keeper of all time. Then godlike Del Piero to bang them in xD I loved that Italian side Pirlo played for Milan back then. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28910 Posts
Portugal won the EC, but were eliminated in group stages in 2014 (behind Germany and USA). France got second in the EC, lost RO8 to Germany in the WC. WC qualification they went 7-2-1 in a tougher group than Germany had (one draw home vs luxembourg though), didn't have to qualify for the EC. Completely honest assessment - result wise a bit worse than Germany, but performance wise I think they are on the level and I think it's fair if you think they've played slightly better overall - imo they're less consistent and have less squad depth tho. Brazil, while they've breezed through a tough WC qualification, lost to germany in the WC, lost copa america 2015 against paraguay in RO8, lost group stage copa america 2016 behind Peru and Equador.. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Sorry was just responding to the Italian godlike team, i don't know who they all played for. I would assumed most came from Milan/Inter due to they were the best early 00s and late 90s weren't they? | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 04 2018 02:22 Pandemona wrote: Sorry was just responding to the Italian godlike team, i don't know who they all played for. I would assumed most came from Milan/Inter due to they were the best early 00s and late 90s weren't they? Err no Juve was up there, but the better Italian players were sprinkled around. Milan. Roma, Inter, Juve. thing is all of these teams attracted enough star talent back then to have a healthy set of foreigners in their starting lineups. The italian teams literally played the exact same way Pretty sure the most boring champions league tie Ive ever seen was Inter vs Milan innnn 2003 I think ? The english papers were hilarious back then "Impending Dreaded snorefest, Inter play Milan in Milan" | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On June 04 2018 02:26 Rebs wrote: Err no Juve was up there, but the better Italian players were sprinkled around. Milan. Roma, Inter, Juve. thing is all of these teams attracted enough star talent back then to have a healthy set of foreigners in their starting lineups. The italian teams literally played the exact same way Pretty sure the most boring champions league tie Ive ever seen was Inter vs Milan innnn 2003 I think ? The english papers were hilarious back then "Impending Dreaded snorefest, Inter play Milan in Milan" The English have been hilarious about MU those last two seasons too. The British humour is great to describe a terrible game of football. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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N1E
Brazil186 Posts
If that paragraph(s) still bother me I'll answer everything in parts later, because my opinion is lenghty and disagree with yours heavily, because no, Brazil is still much above Germany (they aren't close) in football, who I don't consider better than Italians as well, or maybe even Argentines. Yea, you beat a 10 man Portugal, then destroyed the greats Ghana, USA, Algeria, Ribery-less France, Neymar-less Brazil, Tevez/etc-less Argentina. Actually not you, you are not german lol... By the way Algeria and Cameroon (African champions) didn't qualify in the heavily manipulated African Qualifiers... maybe they would even if cheated, if they had 14 spots and could walk over the likes of Faroe Islands. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On June 04 2018 04:38 N1E wrote: By the way Algeria and Cameroon (African champions) didn't qualify in the heavily manipulated African Qualifiers... maybe they would even if cheated, if they had 14 spots and could walk over the likes of Faroe Islands. Come on, millions of French are also Algerian and follow the team closely, I've not seen any complaints about rigged games despite very educated comments on the team... Cameroon also does not have a bright generation atm. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On June 04 2018 04:38 N1E wrote: Then I write and write and remember I was once censored because free opinions weren't allowed. Anyways, I'm looking forward to see how FIFA will cheat next to sell their sponsors and their fake favorites. VAR drama will be huge if their referees aren't still not trained well enough to favour some without looking like their are favouring. If that paragraph(s) still bother me I'll answer everything in parts later, because my opinion is lenghty and disagree with yours heavily, because no, Brazil is still much above Germany (they aren't close) in football, who I don't consider better than Italians as well, or maybe even Argentines. Yea, you beat a 10 man Portugal, then destroyed the greats Ghana, USA, Algeria, Ribery-less France, Neymar-less Brazil, Tevez/etc-less Argentina. Actually not you, you are not german lol... By the way Algeria and Cameroon (African champions) didn't qualify in the heavily manipulated African Qualifiers... maybe they would even if cheated, if they had 14 spots and could walk over the likes of Faroe Islands. LiquidDrone is saying that german are the best team of the the last 5 years. You say that Brazil is the best football nation ever. These two claims do NOT contradict each other, even if you say they do. And neither is the fact that germany had some helpful circumstances in 2014 a contradiction to them being the best team of the last 5 years. If you want to disprove the statement "german are the best team of the last 5 years", then you should come up with saying, "team X was better than germany over the last 5 years". | ||
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