EPTWe shall see soon, but i don't have Germany getting far this time, especially due to being on the big boy bracket side.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
We shall see soon, but i don't have Germany getting far this time, especially due to being on the big boy bracket side. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18762 Posts
And that is also why Löw was pretty pissed after the match. He knew that was the best test pre-WC Germany can have and they totally screwed it up. You can expect Löw to drill into his players that their performance was a disgrace and will result in a bad World cup if they don't step it up. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
Reus simply is an upgrade to 2014 and even if he breaks his legs our OM isnt any weaker than 2014. 2014 final was played with Özil, Kroos, Müller. All 3 still playing. And Reus and the young ones are simply great alternatives. The fitness of Hummels and Boateng might be questionable but for now they are ready. But hey, you are thinking Germany took a game serious where we played with Süle and Rüdiger as CB and Petersen as our striker... And Werner might lack the absolute highest level experience, but 2014 we had to bring Klose in a wheel chair, who was back then shopped around again and again in Europe because he was simply far from his peak. Werner is certainly an upgrade from that. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Yes i agree the team you played probably will have 5 or so changes in it before the first world cup game, but like Sharkie said, losing to Austria is a game vs your rivals. You can rub it off and say well x or y wasn't playing but it still asks questions against your side. Hummels and Boateng cb to come in, Muller, Werner and Sane/Draxler/Reus depending who is fit and what not up front. Also the midfield base is pretty much what you will play as well right? Gundogan/Khedira/Ozil as a 3 with 3 ahead of them? | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
The play time comment and apperances is in relation to Draxler he was on about btw. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
Sané is great though. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On June 03 2018 22:03 Pandemona wrote: "Games" bro he came off the bench jesus christ, he has less minutes played than Boateng this season LOL. So yeah, reading apperance numbers which count as subs which is 90% of his apperances, yes that is right, he played 2000 minutes of football this season lol. Neymar also played 400 minutes more than Draxler btw and he missed last 6 weeks of season was it? Maybe more. Yes i agree the team you played probably will have 5 or so changes in it before the first world cup game, but like Sharkie said, losing to Austria is a game vs your rivals. You can rub it off and say well x or y wasn't playing but it still asks questions against your side. Hummels and Boateng cb to come in, Muller, Werner and Sane/Draxler/Reus depending who is fit and what not up front. Also the midfield base is pretty much what you will play as well right? Gundogan/Khedira/Ozil as a 3 with 3 ahead of them? Pandemath: 19/30 = 10%, 3/8 = 10%, 4/6 = 10%, 3/3 = 10% 2697 - 2630 = 400 2630 = 2000 We could also mention that Boateng played 9 minutes less than Draxler but that would be pdeantic. And surely the result vs Austria is disturbing, but in the end it is a German friendly... Surely a bunch of player made certain they wont go to Russia or even if they do they wont start there... But thats about it. And the entire point of the squad comparison with 2014 wasnt that this is a dream team. It isnt. But it wasnt in 2014 either. Germany doesnt field dream teams. Never did. But quality wise I really dont see any reason to assume this team to be weaker than 2014. Will they work that well together again? Thats to be seen. There are a handful of teams with very similar quality. As in 2014. But the game vs Austria was more about who makes it to our 23 and about Neuers fitness. PS: I dont think Müller or Gündogan will start. More like: Neuer/terStegen - Kimmich, Boateng, Hummels, Hector- Khedira, Kroos- Draxler/Sane (or Müller for character reasons), Özil, Reus- Werner | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On June 03 2018 22:29 mahrgell wrote: And the entire point of the squad comparison with 2014 wasnt that this is a dream team. It isnt. But it wasnt in 2014 either. Germany doesnt field dream teams. Never did. But quality wise I really dont see any reason to assume this team to be weaker than 2014. Will they work that well together again? Thats to be seen. There are a handful of teams with very similar quality. As in 2014. The thing is that lining up 5 or 6 players from the same club is very very helpful. Juve, Barca, Bayern were the last 3 world champions... Of course they will have a better teamwork than the teams having players who barely played together. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
So yes, i stand by what i said, he played less minutes against Boateng on the stats i had but it was close  Germany are weaker for me and could struggle in this world cup due to lack of goals unless Muller does Muller things. Will they get embarassed, no of course, just i don't see them getting passed a strong unit, or have anything to threaten a will organised side. Ozil turns up when he wants, Sane is up and down in form this season, Reus is injured a lot and then Muller is Muller. Defensively the two centre backs are great but they have fitness issues a lot as well, then Hector on the left is good but i don't think is world class. Keeper in Neuer hasn't played enough this year and i can see him doing a Karius :D I don't think anyone can stop Spain personally. They are just so strong right now with all players in good form and bags of experience. I think if they started Iniesta for most knock out games it might be a risk personally, but still think they have more than enough with that squad. | ||
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N1E
Brazil186 Posts
Germany drew against Poland and Cameroon, but then crushed it in their last friendly and all through the cup. ...so. Drawing with Ghana, beating Algeria in extra-time, beating France 1-0 then winning the final 1-0 in extra time is crushing through? Considering they had 1 more day of rest in before the final, plus their game against a clueless Felipao side who spent years building a team around Neymar (who was hunted during the tourney, allowed by FIFA referees), and screwed up with his couple days of preparation, didn't really help in Euro Cup huh? But they will be fine, even if they get unlucky or play bad (or at least not good enough in their not so tough group, I mean Brazil had a similar group last world cup, but had the African champions instead of South Korea, etc), VAR will rescue them just like FIFA helped them in the last Confederations Cup. The thing is that lining up 5 or 6 players from the same club is very very helpful. Juve, Barca, Bayern were the last 3 world champions... Of course they will have a better teamwork than the teams having players who barely played together. Good to hear it, last true world champions were Gremio, who had a clear penalty by Sergio Ramos on Ramiro when 0-0, and they only scored just after that in a (another) cheap called little free-kick for penaldo, ops, Cristiano to get lucky... the bad news is that only Geromel was called from Gremio. Arthur, Luan, Marcelo Grohe... weren't. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28910 Posts
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N1E
Brazil186 Posts
funny how you essentially fail to acknowledge THE SEVERE SEVEN TO ONE TROUNCING OF BRAZIL, WHICH WAS PROBABLY THE MOST EMBARRASSING LOSS OF ANY SELF-PROCLAIMED TOP FOOTBALLING NATION OF THE PAST 50 YEARS funny how you fail to see I actually mentioned it, but let me copy-paste it: "...plus their game against a clueless Felipao side who spent years building a team around Neymar (who was hunted during the tourney, allowed by FIFA referees), and screwed up with his couple days of preparation, didn't really help in Euro Cup huh?" Embarassing is talking when you don't have anything close to 5 world cups, 4 confederations cups, 6 olympic medals and the best player(s) in history. Embarassing is winning 1-0 with a made-up penalty in final *winks at 1990*. Italy is always aweful in friendlies but often goes very far in tournaments to name on example. Not a very good example right now, fellow dutch.  | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Minus the birth of the Bra71L memes or the lets destroy Higuain career for all the sitters he missed in the final lol that wasn't a very awesome world cup from the Germans. | ||
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N1E
Brazil186 Posts
E: hehe, looked at the English ones too. They started off winning their first friendly, then drew two and then.. well.. we all know the world cup they had :D You remember well, do you remember the legit not-given Lampard goal in 2010 against that same Germany? | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28910 Posts
Pande, If a team wins the world cup it seems weird to claim that they were unimpressive. How would you then characterize the rest of the world? The 7-1 destruction of brazil was one of the most impressive games I've seen from any national team ever, anyway. It was fantastic. Aside from Spain 2008-2012 I'm considering the 2014+ generation of germany the best national team on this side of the millennium. They're consistently good, with an amazing top level, with an unmatched squad depth. No team has more than a 20% chance at actually winning the world cup, but I don't see what team looks stronger than the Germans do. (But if you wanna claim that France or Brazil does, that's fair. They also look very good.) I just don't get the standard of 'well, they were only the best team in the world, that's not impressive'. There's no question whether Germany has been the best team in the world the past 5 years. In the previous world cup they went 4-0-0 with 14-1 goal difference against Portugal, Brazil, France and Argentina. How is that not impressive? | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3474 Posts
Player by player this Germany side Is a lot stronger than 4 years ago, but they are not a unit yet. Still, as always, they will make top4 and England will drop out in ro16 or earlier. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
They won, no questions, the Bra71l game was hilarious and very good, but around that and before it, it wasn't as impressive as say Spains world cup win, which yes they had a bit of luck but also were always in charge of games it felt in 2010. How can you say Germany are the best team in the world since 2014 when they played so poorly again in the Euros, just about scraped through Italy game to lose to France. Who in turn lost to Portugal who we have no idea how they managed to even get to that final with that squad. In fairness now the Portuguese s quad is a big dark horse for this world cup, very very good young talent coming through all over the place. Oh and a Ronaldo. I hate stats which don't show games, i mean everyone saw that final, everyone slated Higuain for missing 100 chances in it, not even chances they were GOLDEN chances. Spain never looked like losing when they won the world cup, even though they did in the group stage. They were monsterous and were the peak of the tika taka generation and now they are back on top for me. Germany are good, i aint saying they are shit, just saying they are not as good as they were in 2014 and they weren't amazing world class then (imo). Other Germans have also stated this, im sure the squad was getting pointed at to being the worst of the world cup winners or something? Just to double clear state, i am in no means saying Germany world cup win wasn't deserved, just that they weren't exactly setting the world alight in Brazil BUT, they won it and imo the squad NOW is worst than the one back in 2014. | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3474 Posts
The final was an even match as well, chances and missed opportunities from both sides. Claiming that we weren't a world class team is blatant denial/bias. | ||
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