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JimmiC
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Lysteria
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Both are back to winning after a 2 fights losing streak, are fight of the night material and around the same rank. | ||
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JimmiC
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Lysteria
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He said in a post fight interview (might be after the Eddie Alvarez fight, if you want to see how effective his low kicks are, that's a really good fight to check out) that he doesn't plan on doing MMA for a long time anyway and just want to fight some top rankers, not giving a shit about the damage he takes in the process and retire after half a dozen fights. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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http://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/25603991/ufc-232-moved-las-vegas-la-jon-jones-test-results | ||
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JimmiC
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Excludos
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On December 24 2018 23:37 JimmiC wrote: Jon Jones is going to go down as the biggest cheater in MMA history. To bad, at one point he was considered a possible GOAT. Now that is all tarnished. Hopefully Gus fucks him up and he can just go away. Or maybe to ONE where they may not drug test. Why? Did you read the article at all? He didn't really cheat in the first place, only receiving substances he didn't know about, which didn't help him perform. This latest drug test only flagged the trace remains of the substances that was already caught in his system 1.5 years ago. He received his punishment for being careless with what he ate, and he definitively don't deserve another punishment for the same one. | ||
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JimmiC
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On December 25 2018 01:09 JimmiC wrote: I've read that article I've read a bunch of other ones, I've watched the sport for 20 years. If you believe Jon Jones legal reason for why he tested positive, that is your choice. I choose to believe all the other evidence and things people have seen. When a guy has been caught crashing he car, running away, then running back for a wad of cash. Coked up crashing his car and at lest 3 failed drug tests. Which many many other fighters have said tainted supplements pls, boner pills? pls. On top of that in his most recent IG beef with DC he said "did you convince yourself I cheated in that fight too" Which is admitting he cheated in at least the second, which he has claimed he didn't. Dude can't tell the truth, based on everything I have read and seen I think he has been cheating his whole career and can't stop. It's not just what I choose to believe, but also what USADA itself chose to believe, which was "not intentional doping". The latest results, and I'm repeating myself here, are perfectly in line with what you expect to see if he hadn't doped himself any more since last time: trace remains. Everything else you're on about has nothing to do with this. P.S. No one cares how long you've watched the sport for. Evidence and truth doesn't change because you' "liked it before it was cool". | ||
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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
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https://i.redd.it/ldooh9miz6621.jpg | ||
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Lysteria
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JimmyJRaynor
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Turinabol now has this newly discovered very unusual and quite miraculous"pulsing effect". Whenever Jon Jones is trying to maintain his strength and power during a weight cut Turinabol appears in his system. WOW! Turinabol is used during weight cutting to maintain strength and power. This is exactly when Turinabol appears in Jon Jones system. He tested negative all other times. Thanks for the laughs Novitzky and USADA... I can't wait for the next Brock Lesnar fight! Lesnar should leave the WWE as the champion with the belt and he can put that on the line at his next UFC event. https://streamable.com/7airj | ||
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ninazerg
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What really amazes me (not in a good way) is that UFC President Dana White criticized the California State Athletic Commission heavily for allowing Chuck Liddell to fight, and said Nevada would never have allowed that fight to happen. Yet, in this situation, he's mum about taking the fight from Nevada to California. That in itself is insanity... airline tickets and hotel reservations have been made by the thousands for this. | ||
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Lysteria
France2279 Posts
The Jones situation is kinda similar, he fucked up but he's worth too much for the company, so they are willing to move everything to California instead of scrapping the fight. I don't even think Dana White is trying to be credible anymore. | ||
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Oliviageorge098
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FiWiFaKi
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Zero tolerance for banned substances is stupid, because it's not possible. As testing methodologies are improving to where we can measure 1 part per quadrillion, were going to find traces of banned in everybody. If some animal is given steroids, even if you don't eat it, somebody will, someone is going to eat it, then it's going to be in the feces, and get on the water supply... Even though it's super diluted it'll get inside the water supply, someone will drink it, a few atoms will attach to the tissue, and it'll be in your system. To me it's not absurd to think that some of the metabolites your body doesn't know how to get rid of and they accumulate. And potentially they could be stored in certain cells and released into fluids in the body as hydration levels change, as fat/muscle cells are consumed etc. But even without that effect, miniscule amounts of cocaine absorbtion through the skin/touching eyes/licking lips after handling money for example. I think thresholds for what is significantly performance enhancing and isn't needs to be defined, and as the tests get more sensitive it'll be needed to define cut off points rather than handling them on a case by case basis. Even something like weed, if someone smokes in the same room as you, you absorb some, and I'm sure if you walk past someone outside who is blazing, you'll get some minute THC absorbtion that maybe our current tests can't detect yet. Nothing in our world has perfect purity, and the money spent on raising purity on everything is poorly spent vs testing to thresholds that aren't performance enhancing. Anyway, looking forward to tomorrow, should be a good night of fights. As much as I dislike JBJ personality wise, I hope he wins, his first practical loss should occur in a more exciting situation. Maybe Cain vs JBJ 2020, or Stylebender vs JBJ 2022. | ||
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JimmiC
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FiWiFaKi
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On December 29 2018 15:56 JimmiC wrote: Except tons of fighters never test for anything and others keep getting caught. And admitted cheaters like chael sonnen will say how they get away with it and why sometimes they get caught. There is acceptabke levels and some guys will"micro dose" to stay just under. There is a huge science to the cheating and the testing just barely catches up before the cheaters find a new way. Except tons of UFC fighters who have been caught for really stupid stuff the last year came speaking out very vocally. If the microdosing improves your performance by 0.01% so be it, a balance must be found, the tests are only getting more sensitive with time. People getting caught with ostarine recently has been dumb, the Mexican meat thing was real, and I'm sure there's a lot of stuff in the food we eat too. Idk, we should analyse the tests the results as performance enhancing vs is the substance there. Sure, it's possible that they took the substance two weeks ago and now it's trace and not performance enhancing, but I think the tradeoff for microdosing and knowing you'll get caught if tested within a few days for a very small performance benefit... It just won't be worth the the risk of a 2 year suspension, it's a good enough deterrent. The goal to achieve 0 of everything in your system will make enforcement costs increase exponentially. More frequent testing, more expensive precise tests, more care for the fighters what they consume (tons of foods probably aren't certified to that level of purity by the FDA), so you'd be limited to consuming foods that have extensive additional testing. Your number of false positives will keep increasing ruining peoples' lives... Even coupling lie detect tests to contracted fighters to collect additional intent info seems less intrusive to them, then having them monitor everything they put in their bodies to that extent. Anyway, I think USADA is on a similar page as me, I've been hearing this performance enhancing term more and more. | ||
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Lysteria
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He's getting caught so often that giving him the benefit of a doubt is out of the question. If at least he could agree with his lawyers first about the reasons why he has stuff in his body, but considering his back is covered by the UFC, he doesn't even have to try and give a good explanation. Most fighters are extra careful to prevent as much of the risk as they can. And it works fine with the current USADA policy. | ||
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