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On April 15 2016 07:06 BlackCompany wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 06:57 Stratos_speAr wrote:
I think it's also pretty indicative of how BVB will develop over the next few years that they collapsed so poorly. When you have what is arguably the most talented roster in the EL and one that could conceivably belong in the CL quarters or semis and yet still can't even make it to the EL semi's, who's going to take you seriously? How are you going to draw big names to your club and become a consistently relevant team? No german team but Bayern wins international titles nowadays. Thats just how it is. The title thing might become huge problem in the near future (with hummels, mickys and gündogans contracts running out). Dortmund might have shot themselves in the foot for more than one reason tonight
That was my thought as well. This was a particularly critical time, since I think that how many players BVB can hold on to will directly influence how relevant BVB will be for the next 5+ years. If BVB lose all 3 players, then there's no reason to take the team seriously; not being able to hold onto star players will heavily discourage other quality players from coming to the team, and it will most assuredly signal Aubameyang and Reus's exits within the next 2 years or so.
If BVB somehow keeps Hummels and Mhki, then it could continue to help BVB stay prominent in Europe.
Unfortunately, when you collapse so badly and lose so horribly and are unable to win the competition that you're the clear favorite for, it surely makes those quality players question whether they should stay or go to a better team.
Wait, why are they suddenly "the most talented roster"? Their roster didn't see many changes from the roster that barely made it to the EL quals, after being at the bottom of the Bundesliga during winter last season under the oh so great Klopp.
Auba and Mickey were considered transfer fails under Klopp, before they suddenly exploded this season, under the oh so terrible Tuchel. Then they had the addition of Weigl, who was an okay 19yo 2nd div player last season. Suddenly he is the new European messias? They also added Bürki, who didn't even play EL, and not sure if he is what you would call a great talent. He is just a reasonable goalie with ups and down. Leaves us with the trade of Kampl for Castro. Again pretty neutral, and neither player I would consider an European top talent.
It's not just about the players, but the form.
Comparing this season to last season is incredibly disingenuous. Aubameyang is one of the most in-form and prolific strikers in Europe, Mhki is an incredible attacker that has (I believe) more assists than anyone else in Europe, and the BVB offense as a whole has been just as dangerous as the Bayern one. Weigl could also been comfortably described as one of the best Bundesliga transfers this season; he's been playing very, very well and was a total steal. Combine that with the fact that the defense had been playing incredibly well (no losses in 2016 up to this point) and BVB is having a record domestic year (which isn't remembered simply because Bayern is there), and the roster is clearly incredibly talented.
The problem was mentality. The team gave up and parked the bus in a half-assed manner while defending horribly for most of the 2nd half. It speaks to tactics and mental strength, not the talent on the roster, and that's the problem. When you're trying to become a top-tier European club, you need to show that you have the mentality and drive to be there. BVB clearly showed the exact opposite.
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On April 15 2016 07:17 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 07:06 BlackCompany wrote:On April 15 2016 06:57 Stratos_speAr wrote:
I think it's also pretty indicative of how BVB will develop over the next few years that they collapsed so poorly. When you have what is arguably the most talented roster in the EL and one that could conceivably belong in the CL quarters or semis and yet still can't even make it to the EL semi's, who's going to take you seriously? How are you going to draw big names to your club and become a consistently relevant team? No german team but Bayern wins international titles nowadays. Thats just how it is. The title thing might become huge problem in the near future (with hummels, mickys and gündogans contracts running out). Dortmund might have shot themselves in the foot for more than one reason tonight That was my thought as well. This was a particularly critical time, since I think that how many players BVB can hold on to will directly influence how relevant BVB will be for the next 5+ years. If BVB lose all 3 players, then there's no reason to take the team seriously; not being able to hold onto star players will heavily discourage other quality players from coming to the team, and it will most assuredly signal Aubameyang and Reus's exits within the next 2 years or so. If BVB somehow keeps Hummels and Mhki, then it could continue to help BVB stay prominent in Europe. Unfortunately, when you collapse so badly and lose so horribly and are unable to win the competition that you're the clear favorite for, it surely makes those quality players question whether they should stay or go to a better team.
Auba has a contract tilll at least 2020, maybe 2021. Reus has 2019 i believe. Still, if Real really offers 100 millions then just sell Auba. He is really good this year but in my eyes he is overperforming for his level. He made a huge stepp and will still be good but i dont think he will score this many goals next season.
And yeah i agree, if BVB loose all 3 then they lost a huge amount of their potential. I doubt they'll easily replace Micky and you can't get a defender as good as Hummels right now for a reasonable price. Summer transfer window is going to be huge.
IF we loose all 3, there has to be an important decision: Do you buy stars and try to go for the CL semifinals, german titles? Or do you buy good talents that have proven themselves to compete but don't really expect a title.
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On April 15 2016 07:22 BlackCompany wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 07:17 Stratos_speAr wrote:On April 15 2016 07:06 BlackCompany wrote:On April 15 2016 06:57 Stratos_speAr wrote:
I think it's also pretty indicative of how BVB will develop over the next few years that they collapsed so poorly. When you have what is arguably the most talented roster in the EL and one that could conceivably belong in the CL quarters or semis and yet still can't even make it to the EL semi's, who's going to take you seriously? How are you going to draw big names to your club and become a consistently relevant team? No german team but Bayern wins international titles nowadays. Thats just how it is. The title thing might become huge problem in the near future (with hummels, mickys and gündogans contracts running out). Dortmund might have shot themselves in the foot for more than one reason tonight That was my thought as well. This was a particularly critical time, since I think that how many players BVB can hold on to will directly influence how relevant BVB will be for the next 5+ years. If BVB lose all 3 players, then there's no reason to take the team seriously; not being able to hold onto star players will heavily discourage other quality players from coming to the team, and it will most assuredly signal Aubameyang and Reus's exits within the next 2 years or so. If BVB somehow keeps Hummels and Mhki, then it could continue to help BVB stay prominent in Europe. Unfortunately, when you collapse so badly and lose so horribly and are unable to win the competition that you're the clear favorite for, it surely makes those quality players question whether they should stay or go to a better team. Auba has a contract tilll at least 2020, maybe 2021. Reus has 2019 i believe. Still, if Real really offers 100 millions then just sell Auba. He is really good this year but in my eyes he is overperforming for his level. He made a huge stepp and will still be good but i dont think he will score this many goals next season. And yeah i agree, if BVB loose all 3 then they lost a huge amount of their potential. I doubt they'll easily replace Micky and you can't get a defender as good as Hummels right now for a reasonable price. Summer transfer window is going to be huge. IF we loose all 3, there has to be an important decision: Do you buy stars and try to go for the CL semifinals, german titles? Or do you buy good talents that have proven themselves to compete but don't really expect a title.
I don't think it's a question of "who do you buy". You simply invest intelligently, with a combination of star players that can anchor your team and some quality/consistent talent. BVB went down this road once before and nearly went bankrupt when they went for broke buying players.
The problem is "who's willing to come here" if you're looking to bring in high quality players (e.g. to replace Gündogan) and yet the world sees that you can't hold onto them anyway because you can't win shit.
Also, if BVB demonstrates that they can't hold onto players, Reus and Aubameyang will surely ask to be transferred sooner than later, and I doubt that BVB will hold onto players that ask to be transferred, especially if they're worth a lot of money.
Oh, and another thing I'm not looking forward to is insufferable British fans over-hyping their league because Liverpool won. That PL arrogance is like a cancer that just won't die.
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On April 15 2016 07:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 07:22 BlackCompany wrote:On April 15 2016 07:17 Stratos_speAr wrote:On April 15 2016 07:06 BlackCompany wrote:On April 15 2016 06:57 Stratos_speAr wrote:
I think it's also pretty indicative of how BVB will develop over the next few years that they collapsed so poorly. When you have what is arguably the most talented roster in the EL and one that could conceivably belong in the CL quarters or semis and yet still can't even make it to the EL semi's, who's going to take you seriously? How are you going to draw big names to your club and become a consistently relevant team? No german team but Bayern wins international titles nowadays. Thats just how it is. The title thing might become huge problem in the near future (with hummels, mickys and gündogans contracts running out). Dortmund might have shot themselves in the foot for more than one reason tonight That was my thought as well. This was a particularly critical time, since I think that how many players BVB can hold on to will directly influence how relevant BVB will be for the next 5+ years. If BVB lose all 3 players, then there's no reason to take the team seriously; not being able to hold onto star players will heavily discourage other quality players from coming to the team, and it will most assuredly signal Aubameyang and Reus's exits within the next 2 years or so. If BVB somehow keeps Hummels and Mhki, then it could continue to help BVB stay prominent in Europe. Unfortunately, when you collapse so badly and lose so horribly and are unable to win the competition that you're the clear favorite for, it surely makes those quality players question whether they should stay or go to a better team. Auba has a contract tilll at least 2020, maybe 2021. Reus has 2019 i believe. Still, if Real really offers 100 millions then just sell Auba. He is really good this year but in my eyes he is overperforming for his level. He made a huge stepp and will still be good but i dont think he will score this many goals next season. And yeah i agree, if BVB loose all 3 then they lost a huge amount of their potential. I doubt they'll easily replace Micky and you can't get a defender as good as Hummels right now for a reasonable price. Summer transfer window is going to be huge. IF we loose all 3, there has to be an important decision: Do you buy stars and try to go for the CL semifinals, german titles? Or do you buy good talents that have proven themselves to compete but don't really expect a title. I don't think it's a question of "who do you buy". You simply invest intelligently, with a combination of star players that can anchor your team and some quality/consistent talent. BVB went down this road once before and nearly went bankrupt when they went for broke buying players. The problem is "who's willing to come here" if you're looking to bring in high quality players (e.g. to replace Gündogan) and yet the world sees that you can't hold onto them anyway because you can't win shit. Also, if BVB demonstrates that they can't hold onto players, Reus and Aubameyang will surely ask to be transferred sooner than later, and I doubt that BVB will hold onto players that ask to be transferred, especially if they're worth a lot of money.
Yeah we dont want to follow that road again^^
Well i think they all know that BVB is not the club that can hold the best-of-the-best. They all leave when the big offers come in so i think they know what they dealing with. More problematic is the lack of titles because that's what they really want. Reus and Auba don't have their double German Title and sinlge German Cup title, neither has Gündogan.
And by fucking this up none of them will get an additional title next year. We all know that the league is under lockdown by Bayern and the cup likely as well (even though we could upset there). So yeah, if your goal is to win a big (international) title then you can't stay at BVB. That's the problem and that's nothing we can change in probably a long time because we cant throw money around like the arab-funded clubs and without star-players you dont win CL. And without CL win you dont get star players.
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Dortmund was extremely effective, scored most of their chances. Fantastic team, lovely attacking ability. Would have been extremely harsh if they won though, everyone who watched both those games know that the by far best team over two games won. Classic Liverpool to make it that exciting nonetheless. It pays of to play in the strongest league.
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I foresee a Sevilla vs Villareal and a Real Madrid vs Atleti. like in the previous round 
btw, the spanish teams in semifinals are almost the same that two years ago (Madrid, Atleti, Sevilla, and Valencia)
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On April 15 2016 07:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Oh, and another thing I'm not looking forward to is insufferable British fans over-hyping their league because Liverpool won. That PL arrogance is like a cancer that just won't die.
Haha, you are right.
It's so obvious La Liga is the best league quality-wise at the moment, that it's not even worth discussing, and yet they come out of their holes at every single opportunity 
But honestly I am also scared. Once the BPL can convert the massive financial advantage into a gulf in quality, European football as we know it might be gone forever.
Let's be glad that financial power houses like ManU and Chelsea are in shambles at the moment.
On April 15 2016 07:15 mahrgell wrote:
Wait, why are they suddenly "the most talented roster"? Their roster didn't see many changes from the roster that barely made it to the EL quals, after being at the bottom of the Bundesliga during winter last season under the oh so great Klopp.
The quality of the BVB squad didn't change much over the last years, even though they had this one blip in their performance. Lewandowski has been the only massive loss, and he was replaced quite well by Aubameyang in the end. Götze wouldn't even be a massive addition,
So in many ways this is a team comparable to the previous one that has been in a Champions League final, of course it's a very talented squad that people expected more of in the EL.
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On April 15 2016 12:14 haitike wrote:I foresee a Sevilla vs Villareal and a Real Madrid vs Atleti. like in the previous round btw, the spanish teams in semifinals are almost the same that two years ago (Madrid, Atleti, Sevilla, and Valencia)
No, it has to be Real vs City, they're the easiest opponent :D
To be honest, I wouldn't mind a 2-game Atletico vs Bayern, would be fun see.
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On April 15 2016 07:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Oh, and another thing I'm not looking forward to is insufferable British fans over-hyping their league because Liverpool won. That PL arrogance is like a cancer that just won't die.
You don't need Liverpool to win to overhype the EPL, the league is already pretty hype.
Clearly not as good as the spanish teams nowadays but the entertainment is the best. Also that Liverpool match was glorious, reminded me of the good old match vs AC Milan.
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Liverpool avoid Shakthar and they will get to the final. If City avoid Atletico they will be fine too, the hardest game left by a mile in Champions league is Atletico as they are the only team who can defend. Bayern/City are the easier of the ties, mainly due to our friends in Munich cannot defend very well either.
Dream final in terms of goals though would be a Real vs Bayern.
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I go to bed at half time thinking Liverpool - BvB is over but they proceed to lose 4-3 what the fuck lol.
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On April 15 2016 16:44 WillyWanker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 12:14 haitike wrote:I foresee a Sevilla vs Villareal and a Real Madrid vs Atleti. like in the previous round btw, the spanish teams in semifinals are almost the same that two years ago (Madrid, Atleti, Sevilla, and Valencia) No, it has to be Real vs City, they're the easiest opponent :D To be honest, I wouldn't mind a 2-game Atletico vs Bayern, would be fun see.
I think Madrid gets Benfica even if they didn't advance
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LMAO City vs Madrid with the second leg at Bernabéu
RIGGED AS FUCK
Easiest run to the finals since... Mou's Porto?
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On April 15 2016 18:45 Salteador Neo wrote:
LMAO City vs Madrid with the second leg at Bernabéu
RIGGED AS FUCK
Easiest run to the finals since... Mou's Porto?
Incoming Pelegrini showing his ex-club how to win! I believe!
Seeing how Madrid has been playing this season, I wouldn't be surprised if City passed x) But the 2nd leg at home, again, such a joke...
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Madrid is the luckiest team ever at draws.
Atleti to get revenge for that Europa Cup final against Bayern xD
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On April 15 2016 18:45 Salteador Neo wrote:
LMAO City vs Madrid with the second leg at Bernabéu
RIGGED AS FUCK
Easiest run to the finals since... Mou's Porto?
No.
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Schalke, Chelsea, Marseille after a groupstage with Valencia, Glasgow Rangers, Bursaspor
or how about: losing twice to Bordeaux during groupstage (other group members were Juve and Haifa), then advancing on away goals vs Fiorentina and ManU, then beating Lyon in the semis
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Atletico hard counters peps strategy... I hope he comes up with something new this one time...
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I'm curious to see how Pep will fare against Atletico. I think it's more exciting in 2 legs than just one.
Come on Pep, don't disappoint, it'd be like 0.5 CL for a Barça fan =D
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