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Some Stats! Argentina not won the competition since 1993 Uruguay are current holders after beating Paraguay in 2013 Uruguay have won the tournament the most, 15 times! Argentina are the bookmakers favorites to end their 20 year wait for the title
On June 11 2015 18:49 Pandemona wrote: Bad times though as u can see aseq Brazil vs Colombia rematch from world cup not until 1am BST which is 2am ur time
Who cares, no good quality tournament his year is. If the quality of the matches holds up it will be worth it to fuck with your sleep =)
Or you can go to bed early and be awake between 2 and 4 am. Or you can spend a night with three hours sleep. Not every game is starting at 2 am, there are quite a few that will start at midnight or even 9 pm cest. And looking at the games that are, Brazil vs Columbia 2 am and Peru vs Venezuela 1:30 am. Guess which one might be worth little sleep :p
Looks like I'll be waking up to South American football. Korea is definatelly a better time zone for watching this than Europe. I'm still unemployed for another month which helps too.
On June 11 2015 18:49 Pandemona wrote: Bad times though as u can see aseq Brazil vs Colombia rematch from world cup not until 1am BST which is 2am ur time
This might be one of the best, Argentina wanting to win something for years, especially after being so close at the last WC, brazil needs to win something after their disaster (7-1), Chile has never win one, they have a strong team AND its home contry.
I'm thinking Colombia can win this, since the seeding favours them. If they end up second in their group, Brazil and Argentina will end up on the same side of the bracket, which gives Colombia a high chance of reaching the finals.
Had Suarez been able to play, I would've had Uruguay winning the tournament. Unfortunately, because the world is against Suarez, gotta go with Colombia to win the tournament.
lol bolivia, they are staying in my city. It's like they got evilishly sent to the coast and have to travel 30 mins watching seaside to get to the stadium.
On June 13 2015 09:07 GoTuNk! wrote: lol bolivia, they are staying in my city. It's like they got evilishly sent to the coast and have to travel 30 mins watching seaside to get to the stadium.
We should just do 2 groups of 5, best 4 pass to QF and call it a day
Enough with inviting terribles teams and Mexico who dont take this tournamwent (the oldest nations tournament ever) seriously, always with their B team.
Edit: ok, Bolivia is also terrible, but they are from America and we are all brothers <3
To be fair, Martino lost that game, those subs were god awful, Tevez and Higuain ? wut ? you are winning 2-1, you lost the middle, looking somewhat shaky... AND YOU PUT 2 FORWARDS?
On June 14 2015 08:42 Faruko wrote: To be fair, Martino lost that game, those subs were god awful, Tevez and Higuain ? wut ? you are winning 2-1, you lost the middle, looking somewhat shaky... AND YOU PUT 2 FORWARDS?
Yeah it was retarded...he kept the worse player on (Di Maria), put another disgusting player on (Higuain) and took out Banega who was doing a good job securing the middle. Plus, Pastore was doing a good job with the ball on transitions, putting the right passes in instead of wasting them and generating counters, despite being in the lead.
How on earth do Argentina do things like that lol. 2-0 up cruise control, yet still throw it away with all that offensive talent. Tevez Higuain DiMaria Pastore Pereya Messi Aguero but Roque Santa Cruz is like nope got this xD
On June 14 2015 08:42 Faruko wrote: To be fair, Martino lost that game, those subs were god awful, Tevez and Higuain ? wut ? you are winning 2-1, you lost the middle, looking somewhat shaky... AND YOU PUT 2 FORWARDS?
Yeah it was retarded...he kept the worse player on (Di Maria), put another disgusting player on (Higuain) and took out Banega who was doing a good job securing the middle. Plus, Pastore was doing a good job with the ball on transitions, putting the right passes in instead of wasting them and generating counters, despite being in the lead.
That was all on the coach.
Pastore had a pretty bad 1st half, but his second was very good he took the "driver seat" of Argentina and they were having some kind of control, then the subs came and was... 5 defenders, a HUGE green space and 5 strikers.
you cant pass from a bilardista coach to a mennotista one without issues for international posters where it says bilardista read mourinho and change mennotista for guardiola
On June 14 2015 08:42 Faruko wrote: To be fair, Martino lost that game, those subs were god awful, Tevez and Higuain ? wut ? you are winning 2-1, you lost the middle, looking somewhat shaky... AND YOU PUT 2 FORWARDS?
Yeah it was retarded...he kept the worse player on (Di Maria), put another disgusting player on (Higuain) and took out Banega who was doing a good job securing the middle. Plus, Pastore was doing a good job with the ball on transitions, putting the right passes in instead of wasting them and generating counters, despite being in the lead.
That was all on the coach.
Pastore had a pretty bad 1st half, but his second was very good he took the "driver seat" of Argentina and they were having some kind of control, then the subs came and was... 5 defenders, a HUGE green space and 5 strikers.
That was my point. In the first half he only showed up for two good passes and nothing else...but in the second half he was doing well.
Di Maria on the other hand was bad from start to finish...yet he kept him on....and yes, the change in the midfield was awful as well. Like I said, to me that was all on the coach.
On June 15 2015 07:48 Apoteosis wrote: Well there is a fun fact about Brazil and this Copa América. Brazil's team and staff are staying in a hotel in Temuco, Chile, that stands in "Germany Street". lol
The brazilian team has so many unknown players... Fred, Jefersson, Douglas, Tardelli, etc. And David Luis as CB... It is like a only Neymar team (Although they don't have Marcello, Tiago, Danillo)
On June 15 2015 08:40 haitike wrote: The brazilian team has so many unknown players... Fred, Jefersson, Douglas, Tardelli, etc. And David Luis as CB... It is like a only Neymar team (Although they don't have Marcello, Tiago, Danillo)
Best part about that goal was the fact Costa instantly turned back to Neymar and was like, yep that was a sick pass my friend. I prefer players that do that than go run around the pitch because they scored the winner xD
The Fred of the WC is the new Barbosa of Brazil. Brazilians directed all their fury into him and blamed him as the worst of the 7-1. So no, that Fred will not play with Brazil again.
Penalty Ecuador, team mate runs into the box, kick has to be retaken and is missed. I like it, now they need to start retaking pens if the goalie leaves the line.
Edit: 2:3, ten minutes to go. What a fantastic tournament
Egh... I spent 8 blissful months without Ray Hudson and now I have to deal with watching football on mute. Crazy header by Vidal, woeful marking though.
On June 16 2015 09:00 Rebs wrote: Egh... I spent 8 blissful months without Ray Hudson and now I have to deal with watching football on mute. Crazy header by Vidal, woeful marking though.
This Mexico vs Chile match is actually pretty good, I actually didn't expect Mexico to play this well (except the defense which has always sucked) Chile is playing great too!
-Chilean coach gave players free afternoon. Arturo Vidal spent the evening with his wife at casino monticello. Afterwards he got into accident and got put into custody, as he was drunk driving. He was uninjured, his wife dislocated her elbow.
That is unbelievably dumb. Apparently it's confirmed that he was drunk and he's under arrest. Unsure how hard Chile treats drunk driving (*paging Faruko*) but surely he's out for the tournament.
I'd be surprised if he doesn't get a big fine from both the Chile FA and Juventus.
On June 17 2015 20:31 NuclearJudas wrote: That is unbelievably dumb. Apparently it's confirmed that he was drunk and he's under arrest. Unsure how hard Chile treats drunk driving (*paging Faruko*) but surely he's out for the tournament.
I'd be surprised if he doesn't get a big fine from both the Chile FA and Juventus.
He should spend time in jail. Could have easily killed himself or worse, innocents. This is serious stuff, yet the hypocrites demonized suarez because he bit some footballers in the game. Retarded.
Hmm thats a bit extreme steveling? I haven't seen anyone defend Vidal and biting someone is common assault, yes drink driving is way worst but biting someone isn't exactly good.
FIFA might take action anyway they like to show themselves in good light, but i think they normally leave it down to the federations of said country. In which case it will be interesting.
On June 17 2015 20:31 NuclearJudas wrote: That is unbelievably dumb. Apparently it's confirmed that he was drunk and he's under arrest. Unsure how hard Chile treats drunk driving (*paging Faruko*) but surely he's out for the tournament.
I'd be surprised if he doesn't get a big fine from both the Chile FA and Juventus.
Theres a law here "Ley Emilia" which is agaisnt driving with alcohol, its pretty strong and i dont think vidal will be get free of charge, doubt jail because its his first time and there are the mitigating circunstances. --> I think there are the possibilities of Jail for 541 days BUT like i said, its his first time, thank god nobody end up injured so thats it. a lifetime suspension of his drivers license might be the case this time.
Vidal doesnt own me or anyone anything, theres a big riot here about "what should they do with Vidal", i dont have a answer, he should respond to whoever he should to (Justice and ANFP/NT, not the people, especially in this country where we rather see someone fail than do well, but thats besides the point).
Sampaoli will have to decide, i think he will be out of the tournament.
Its stupid but he got drunk, he crashed and the fucked it up, and thats it, he should answer whoever he is supposed to, everything else is poetry in my opinion.
I have a hard time having a strong opinions on the matter because for once, i rather care about the person itself and not some selfish interest, and second, im pretty sure if i were in the situation or someone i care about, my opinion would be biased (as everyones), im just happy nobody end up injured or, worse, death.
On June 17 2015 22:43 Pandemona wrote: But will your country "delay" the hearings until after the competition? Or will they exclude him straight away?
Thats up to the manager, according to some news, the President of the ANFP let the decision to Sampaoli.
About 4 years ago, Borghi (which was the manager at the time) excluded some players for coming back with alcohol after getting a free pass to go for a bauptism (dont ask lmao) for 10 or so matches right away, im not sure about Sampaoli.
On June 18 2015 01:18 Faruko wrote: Well, Sampaoli didnt left Vidal out, he is still in.
Im not sure what to say, its a fine line between showing support and give him the punish he deserves...
No, that's not a line, that's a fecking highway. He could kill someone, he must be dropped from the team and go to court like every other human being would.
On June 18 2015 01:18 Faruko wrote: Well, Sampaoli didnt left Vidal out, he is still in.
Im not sure what to say, its a fine line between showing support and give him the punish he deserves...
I'm 100% ok with this. Ultimately this is about winning, and the coach believes Vidal is fundamental for that task. Fine him to death and get the job done. I'm 100% confident Vidal will play better after this lol. In 10 years, if Chile wins, that's all that gonna matter.
That said, Sampaoli (chilean coach) is putting everything on the line here, if Chile flops this Copa America it will be put 100% on him and will face a shitstorm of epic proportions.
On June 18 2015 01:18 Faruko wrote: Well, Sampaoli didnt left Vidal out, he is still in.
Im not sure what to say, its a fine line between showing support and give him the punish he deserves...
No, that's not a line, that's a fecking highway. He could kill someone, he must be dropped from the team and go to court like every other human being would.
*and why the feck would vidal need support? lmao
Yes, he could have killed someone, yes he will be on court your point beign ?
That he'll keep playing doesnt mean that he wont face justice like everyone, i dont know how things are done in Grecee but most of the time there has to be an investigation before acussing someone.
Or maybe you live in a dictatorship that has justice acting after 12 hours from crime. This takes time, take it easy.
He will have the punish he deserves, that im sure of it (from Justice point of view)
*How does anyone dont need support in a situation like this? (Whatever that means) if it was you, you really think your family and friends wont support you ? (by the way, for me support doesnt mean getting a free pass out of justice)
I dont agree nor im agaisnt the decision, he should answer to whoever he should, thats it.
One could argue moral responsibility and all that jazz, but if Vidal isn't being held and is available, Sampaoli can use him however he wants. Innocent until proven guilty, and so on. Considering all the picture and video evidence, Vidal will certainly get punished, but it depends on when that is. The leaked video of his arrest looks very bad if the translations I've read are right.Onto the competition itself: What games are being played tonight? Is it only Brazil vs Colombia? Should be a pretty good game.
The decision to let him play or not to play is not a legal one at this time. Fining him wont matter too much in terms of consequences, nor will taking away his license.
If he is playing that is more of subjective decision from the management and they have weighed in that he matters too much at this time. If you had any other job and you had this issue would you be banned from going into work the next day ? Exactly
Still Its always a tough decision to set a bad example and I feel for Sampaoli, but I cant hold it against him.
And yeah what Suarez did is irrelevant to this. He serves his time for his crime and vice versa.
On June 18 2015 09:37 GizmoPT wrote: Colombia with Jackson and Bacca on the bench and we in Portugal stuck with Eder.. ;'<
Man why does Bacca not get a game. Maybe Pekerman wants to use him as an impact player. Hes so good. I dont care much for Jackson Martinez, I havent seen him play much to be fair.
On June 18 2015 09:37 GizmoPT wrote: Colombia with Jackson and Bacca on the bench and we in Portugal stuck with Eder.. ;'<
Man why does Bacca not get a game. Maybe Pekerman wants to use him as an impact player. Hes so good. I dont care much for Jackson Martinez, I havent seen him play much to be fair.
tbh Jackson Martinez for me is the best colombian striker, falcao hasnt been that good tbh
problem with national teams tourneys is that we watch them right after champions league and obv they cant be compared to clubs
not that anyone is comparing them, i'm just saying that hardly any national team looks solid imo. except during a world cup the finalists usually are decent after staying roughly 1,5 month together
On June 18 2015 09:57 Raidern wrote: problem with national teams tourneys is that we watch them right after champions league and obv they cant be compared to clubs
Qatar WorldCup will solve that with mid-season Christmas games!
I don't favor any team and just watch this sport because I like it, but on the other hand, Neymar's ridiculous yellow card is the reason why I try to avoid watching this sport.
I watched the replay -- could someone please explain how any human being could possibly react fast enough to avoid that unintentional hand ball? The commentators mentioned that the ref didn't see it and instead reacted to Colombian players insisting Neymar touched the ball. If that's the case, then this is even dumber. What's to stop players from saying something like "Neymar bit the goalkeeper!"?
This could be resolved by having someone from afar monitor the game via instant replay, he could then radio-in to the ref and say "Hey, that didn't happen; leave it be." Not only would this happen instantaneously, but we would actually save time from literally every single game as players would no longer have an excuse to complain (can't complain if the ref has evidence).
Instead players and fans have to pray that the ref "saw" everything, because if he didn't, you could get away with murder...?
Brazil could be in hot water if they lose this, and Neymar is now suspended for the third group game. You'd think they could handle Venezuela but you don't know.
Also yeah, watching it, the yellow for the handball is just a bad decision.
Yeah not sure how that works tbh. I was thinking the same thing. I think it might be 2 for using offensive language etc. i.e straight red. The earlier yellow doesnt stack.
On June 18 2015 11:10 sneirac wrote: You have to be Suarez level of stupid to get more than a one game suspension in a six game tournament. Not very likely I think.
On June 18 2015 11:10 sneirac wrote: You have to be Suarez level of stupid to get more than a one game suspension in a six game tournament. Not very likely I think.
To be fair, the two yellow cards he got were completely non-existent.
On June 18 2015 11:10 sneirac wrote: You have to be Suarez level of stupid to get more than a one game suspension in a six game tournament. Not very likely I think.
To be fair, the two yellow cards he got were completely non-existent.
That is what I mean, I didn't see what he actually got sent off for, but unless he is on camera having punched someone or microphones picked up some nasty insults, this isn't going to be a two game suspension. Again it is a six game tournament. A two game suspension would be the equivalent to a 12-13 game suspension in a regular league.
On June 18 2015 11:10 sneirac wrote: You have to be Suarez level of stupid to get more than a one game suspension in a six game tournament. Not very likely I think.
To be fair, the two yellow cards he got were completely non-existent.
Yeah not that I want to excuse him, but the pressure on him and the frustration over the last 2 games probably put him over.
Its not Suarez level stupid. But come on dude. Put your head down and walk into the locker room. Jeez
Oh I didnt see those afters. So he gets a red card for kicking the ball into Armeros ass. Who obviously has his testicals around there or something for it to hurt that much.
And the guy who thuglifed Neymar, Bacca was it? Gets nothing? I would suspend a whole bunch of those dudes. Even Robinho who came off the bench I think. I like these players too. Kinda disappointing.
Oh I didnt see those afters. So he gets a red card for kicking the ball into Armeros ass. Who obviously has his testicals around there or something for it to hurt that much.
And the guy who thuglifed Neymar, Bacca was it? Gets nothing? I would suspend a whole bunch of those dudes. Even Robinho who came off the bench I think. I like these players too. Kinda disappointing.
Oh I didnt see those afters. So he gets a red card for kicking the ball into Armeros ass. Who obviously has his testicals around there or something for it to hurt that much.
And the guy who thuglifed Neymar, Bacca was it? Gets nothing? I would suspend a whole bunch of those dudes. Even Robinho who came off the bench I think. I like these players too. Kinda disappointing.
I'm still not sure what to make of this, just looking at the ref it looks this happens instantly after the full time whistle and Neymar appears to look at the ball and just fire it away. That there is a player he hits and that it is a player that is celebrating seems completely unintentional. Not that it absolves him, it remains incredibly stupid, but doesn't that make it pretty similar to the Chelsea player at the end of the season? If he had intentionally shot it at him this tournament would be over for him, as in 5 game ban or something, but if they can argue intent he might be able to play in the semi finals/finals. Now Brazil would just have to get that far.
The Conmebol Disciplinary Tribunal have provisionally suspended Neymar for two games after his actions in the aftermath of Brazil's 1-0 defeat to Colombia, and will meet on Friday to decide the final punishment.
Lol, that guy acted like it was a canon ball that hit him. Stupid by neyboy though. Only messi is perfect, GOAT level of playing, humble, calm, never dives, never acts, everyone loves him, smart and many other things. gg
On June 19 2015 02:20 Steveling wrote: Lol, that guy acted like it was a canon ball that hit him. Stupid by neyboy though. Only messi is perfect, GOAT level of playing, humble, calm, never dives, never acts, everyone loves him, smart and many other things. gg
That's more trolling than anyone has done in the last ten posts you claimed others of trolling lol
On June 19 2015 02:20 Steveling wrote: Lol, that guy acted like it was a canon ball that hit him. Stupid by neyboy though. Only messi is perfect, GOAT level of playing, humble, calm, never dives, never acts, everyone loves him, smart and many other things. gg
That's more trolling than anyone has done in the last ten posts you claimed others of trolling lol
Why do you even reply to him? It will only make him post more which noone wants.
The Conmebol Disciplinary Tribunal have provisionally suspended Neymar for two games after his actions in the aftermath of Brazil's 1-0 defeat to Colombia, and will meet on Friday to decide the final punishment.
On June 19 2015 02:20 Steveling wrote: Lol, that guy acted like it was a canon ball that hit him. Stupid by neyboy though. Only messi is perfect, GOAT level of playing, humble, calm, never dives, never acts, everyone loves him, smart and many other things. gg
That's more trolling than anyone has done in the last ten posts you claimed others of trolling lol
How mate? Can you tell me which of my points are fake and posted only to provoke a response aka trolling? I just speak the truth.
The Conmebol Disciplinary Tribunal have provisionally suspended Neymar for two games after his actions in the aftermath of Brazil's 1-0 defeat to Colombia, and will meet on Friday to decide the final punishment.
The Conmebol Disciplinary Tribunal have provisionally suspended Neymar for two games after his actions in the aftermath of Brazil's 1-0 defeat to Colombia, and will meet on Friday to decide the final punishment.
On June 19 2015 02:20 Steveling wrote: Lol, that guy acted like it was a canon ball that hit him. Stupid by neyboy though. Only messi is perfect, GOAT level of playing, humble, calm, never dives, never acts, everyone loves him, smart and many other things. gg
Guys I watched Colombia vs. Brazil last night in a bar in Colombia. Crowd went crazy when Colombia scored. I was a little sad because my bet was 1-1 tie. But man, people here are super enthusiastic about futbol. Honestly, Colombia's defense is lacking, and I see Argentina winning it all. But Colombia will probably reach the finals if they get out of this group stage.
Yeah, I only saw one replay, but it looked like he purposefully left some on the guy on the ground. Could be an accident, but the way it looked, it's a clear red for the ref.
so if it ends like this all teams with 3 points in group C
and Col vs Per Bra vs Ven
Bra will most likely win and get 6 points Col v Per is hard games, last copa america per took col out..hoping col can win , but a draw might work for both for best 3rd places
While i get the reason for the matches to not be played at the same time (there are only 24 matches and you want to "sell" them all), it does sucks for this kind of situations
Updated group standings before the third round of games starts tonight!
(X = Assured of at least third place, but may still be eliminated; Y = Cannot qualify directly as one of the top two teams, but may still qualify as third-placed team.)
A: (Remaining games: Mexico vs Ecuador and Chile vs Bolivia) B: (Remaining games: Uruguay vs Paraguay and Argentina vs Jamaica) C: (Remaining games: Colombia vs Peru and Brazil vs Venezuela) Third-place rankings:
Controversially, the final games of each group aren't played at the same time. Meaning Chile and Bolivia will know the result of Mexico vs Ecuador before they play (likewise for the other groups, but most interesting in Group C). But hey, more football for us!
Ecuador vs Mexico is on! Almost a goal in the second minute, but a good leg save by Corona.
Ecuador takes the lead! Valencia attempts a shot, and a big deflection becomes a perfect pass to Bolaños, who gets to the ball first at the far post and scores.
Mexico 0-1 Ecuador after the first half. Very good game. High pace and loads of chances, even if the pace has slowed a bit as Ecuador defend their lead.
Yeah there has to be, four games would be really harsh if this was a league and not a short tournament. There is no way Brazil accepts this so it might be reduced again.
Damn, 4 games for Neymar? Shit. At least it could be a wake-up call for the whiny brat.
Penalty for Mexico. Jimenez to take. Long run up aaaaaaaaand he strikes it down the middle, as Dominguez goes left. 1-2, and game on!
Valencia does it all for Ecuador and places the ball on a platter for Bolaños, who completely freezes and gets caught by the defenders. Could have killed the Mexican spirit with a quick 1-3.
Yeah, Ecuador have been really good. Shame their fate is in the hands of other results even if they win (slight chance of advancing as one of the threes).
Oh, dear. Looks like there should have been a penalty for Ecuador. A Mexican defender takes the ball away from Montero with his upper arm. Hard to spot for the ref, I think.
And I think Herrera, Mexico's manager, might have been sent to the stands, but I'm not sure. The ref seemed to want him away from the game, at least.
What I don't understand about Mexico not using their A team is wouldn't it benefit them to play here with supposedly stronger teams or is it about exhaustion? Playing two tournaments back to back.
On June 20 2015 07:38 TzaTzers wrote: What I don't understand about Mexico not using their A team is wouldn't it benefit them to play here with supposedly stronger teams or is it about exhaustion? Playing two tournaments back to back.
Fatigue.
Mexico knows the level of play is higher in Copa America but getting to the Confeds is more important since even if they somehow won Copa America they'd get nothing.
Ecuador 2-1 Mexico. Really good game. Ecuador should have used their chances better, and with some help from the ref, they'd have a chance from the penalty spot. Ecuador have a small chance of advancing, which depends on if the other group third-placed teams end up with worse goal difference. I'll need to look up how they break ties between the threes.
Edit: Here's how the tie between the threes are broken:
Rules for classification: 1) points in all group matches; 2) total goal differential; 3) total goals scored; 4) lots drawn by CONMEBOL.
Yeah, Uruguay, or both losing teams from group C need to lose by 2 goals or more. However, Ecuador have scored 4 goals, so they're in a good position if there's equal goal difference.
Worth mentioning is that both Chile and Bolivia are through to the quarter-finals after the previous match. Just left to decide who wins the group.
Vidal starts for Chile.
Chile 11: 1 C. Bravo, 18 G. Jara, 21 M. Diaz, 17 G. Medel, 20 C. Aránguiz, 15 J. Beausejour, 10 J. Valdivia, 4 M. Isla, 8 A. Vidal, 7 A. Sánchez, 11 E. Vargas
Bolivia 11: 1 R. Quiñónez, 4 L. Morales, 16 R. Raldés, 8 M. Smedberg-Dalance, 21 C. Coimbra, 14 E. Rodríguez, 10 P. Escobar, 3 A. Chumacero, 18 R. Pedriel, 9 M. Moreno, 19 W. Veizaga
On June 21 2015 04:18 TanGeng wrote: One thing I always wonder about is why don't Copa America get the three Guyanas to field a team so they can invite 3 teams for NA/CA and get 4 groups.
Do Suriname, Guyana, French Guyana not have enough interest to field a football team?
From what I understand, these nations are culturally much closer to the caribbean than to the rest of south america. I think they once were colonies from uk, france and netherlands, while the current conmebol nations were spanish/portuguese colonies. This is still reflected by the languages today.
Afaik the main sport in guyana at least is cricket, while many good suriname football players also are eligible for netherlands (and in the past have chosen the netherlands over suriname, according to wikipedia edgar davids, seedorf and hasselbaink were born in suriname). Same for french guyana and france I suppose. So they might essentially water down the niveau of the competition, while probably not being financially attractive inclusions either.
I investigated a little and 43% of Guyana population is descendent from Indian population, and 27% of Suriname too. In both countries Hindustani descendants are the biggest ethnic groups.
That can explain the Cricket popularity and lack of football insterest, the same that India xD
Surimane and Guyana are CONCACAF countries anyway, they play qualifiers for Golden Cup.
On June 21 2015 06:53 TanGeng wrote: Messi looks fine in that position though. The link up to the front just lacks fluidity.
The problem is that messi has to carry everything, from the creativity to creating space and normally scoring. The team is always watching and expecting what he will do. In Barcelona he is the best addition to an already working team.
Once or twice Argentina scores without him, but that does not happen often.
On June 21 2015 07:11 sneirac wrote: That was a free goal if the man in the middle actually keeps up. Was your earlier vitriol correct and it was Higuain?
It was messi, but makes no sense to go faster, that would reduce the angle of the pass and make it harder to di maria. Staying just a bit behind lets him give messi a clean pass so he can resolve better and score.
On June 21 2015 07:11 sneirac wrote: That was a free goal if the man in the middle actually keeps up. Was your earlier vitriol correct and it was Higuain?
It was messi, but makes no sense to go faster, that would reduce the angle of the pass and make it harder to di maria. Staying just a bit behind lets him give messi a clean pass so he can resolve better and score.
Staying just a bit behind would have been great, but he fell so far behind that he wasn't an option anymore.
On June 21 2015 07:11 sneirac wrote: That was a free goal if the man in the middle actually keeps up. Was your earlier vitriol correct and it was Higuain?
It was messi, but makes no sense to go faster, that would reduce the angle of the pass and make it harder to di maria. Staying just a bit behind lets him give messi a clean pass so he can resolve better and score.
Staying just a bit behind would have been great, but he fell so far behind that he wasn't an option anymore.
Anyway, it was di maria so even with messi being further ahead he would have not made the pass...
On June 21 2015 07:11 sneirac wrote: That was a free goal if the man in the middle actually keeps up. Was your earlier vitriol correct and it was Higuain?
It was messi, but makes no sense to go faster, that would reduce the angle of the pass and make it harder to di maria. Staying just a bit behind lets him give messi a clean pass so he can resolve better and score.
Staying just a bit behind would have been great, but he fell so far behind that he wasn't an option anymore.
Anyway, it was di maria so even with messi being further ahead he would have not made the pass...
On June 21 2015 07:18 Boucot wrote: I don't get how Jamaica was chosen to participate in Copa America. Weren't there more competitive teams ? :/
In fact they were fewer. Mexico is also invited when they weren't in the past.
No I mean couldn't they find a team more competitive than Jamaica to fill the spots ?
They invited Japan (they pulled out in 2011 because of the earthquake), after they declined China was asked and China pulled out because of a scheduling conflict with WC 2018 qualifying
On June 21 2015 07:11 sneirac wrote: That was a free goal if the man in the middle actually keeps up. Was your earlier vitriol correct and it was Higuain?
It was messi, but makes no sense to go faster, that would reduce the angle of the pass and make it harder to di maria. Staying just a bit behind lets him give messi a clean pass so he can resolve better and score.
Staying just a bit behind would have been great, but he fell so far behind that he wasn't an option anymore.
Anyway, it was di maria so even with messi being further ahead he would have not made the pass...
On June 21 2015 07:18 Boucot wrote: I don't get how Jamaica was chosen to participate in Copa America. Weren't there more competitive teams ? :/
In fact they were fewer. Mexico is also invited when they weren't in the past.
No I mean couldn't they find a team more competitive than Jamaica to fill the spots ?
They invited Japan (they pulled out in 2011 because of the earthquake), after they declined China was asked and China pulled out because of a scheduling conflict with WC 2018 qualifying
OK. The fact that Gold Cup is right after doesn't help, I'd have loved to see Costa Rica for example after their good World Cup last year.
On June 21 2015 07:11 sneirac wrote: That was a free goal if the man in the middle actually keeps up. Was your earlier vitriol correct and it was Higuain?
It was messi, but makes no sense to go faster, that would reduce the angle of the pass and make it harder to di maria. Staying just a bit behind lets him give messi a clean pass so he can resolve better and score.
Staying just a bit behind would have been great, but he fell so far behind that he wasn't an option anymore.
Anyway, it was di maria so even with messi being further ahead he would have not made the pass...
can't argue with that actually
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On June 21 2015 07:21 Boucot wrote:
On June 21 2015 07:20 Racket wrote:
On June 21 2015 07:18 Boucot wrote: I don't get how Jamaica was chosen to participate in Copa America. Weren't there more competitive teams ? :/
In fact they were fewer. Mexico is also invited when they weren't in the past.
No I mean couldn't they find a team more competitive than Jamaica to fill the spots ?
They invited Japan (they pulled out in 2011 because of the earthquake), after they declined China was asked and China pulled out because of a scheduling conflict with WC 2018 qualifying
OK. The fact that Gold Cup is right after doesn't help, I'd have loved to see Costa Rica for example after their good World Cup last year.
It's just not schedulable. Afc, Caf and Uefa all had WC qualifying, NA has the Gold Cup. Ofc would not really have improved the competition I guess. :p The best idea to solve it would be to have the Gold Cup every 4 years and have 6 NA teams participate in a 16 team Copa America. Or just combine the American confederations and get it over with.
On June 21 2015 07:11 sneirac wrote: That was a free goal if the man in the middle actually keeps up. Was your earlier vitriol correct and it was Higuain?
It was messi, but makes no sense to go faster, that would reduce the angle of the pass and make it harder to di maria. Staying just a bit behind lets him give messi a clean pass so he can resolve better and score.
Staying just a bit behind would have been great, but he fell so far behind that he wasn't an option anymore.
Anyway, it was di maria so even with messi being further ahead he would have not made the pass...
can't argue with that actually
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On June 21 2015 07:21 Boucot wrote:
On June 21 2015 07:20 Racket wrote:
On June 21 2015 07:18 Boucot wrote: I don't get how Jamaica was chosen to participate in Copa America. Weren't there more competitive teams ? :/
In fact they were fewer. Mexico is also invited when they weren't in the past.
No I mean couldn't they find a team more competitive than Jamaica to fill the spots ?
They invited Japan (they pulled out in 2011 because of the earthquake), after they declined China was asked and China pulled out because of a scheduling conflict with WC 2018 qualifying
OK. The fact that Gold Cup is right after doesn't help, I'd have loved to see Costa Rica for example after their good World Cup last year.
It's just not schedulable. Afc, Caf and Uefa all had WC qualifying, NA has the Gold Cup. Ofc would not really have improved the competition I guess. :p The best idea to solve it would be to have the Gold Cup every 4 years and have 6 NA teams participate in a 16 team Copa America. Or just combine the American confederations and get it over with.
They should have invited us, we're already qualified for Euro.
On June 21 2015 07:11 sneirac wrote: That was a free goal if the man in the middle actually keeps up. Was your earlier vitriol correct and it was Higuain?
It was messi, but makes no sense to go faster, that would reduce the angle of the pass and make it harder to di maria. Staying just a bit behind lets him give messi a clean pass so he can resolve better and score.
Staying just a bit behind would have been great, but he fell so far behind that he wasn't an option anymore.
Anyway, it was di maria so even with messi being further ahead he would have not made the pass...
can't argue with that actually
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On June 21 2015 07:21 Boucot wrote:
On June 21 2015 07:20 Racket wrote:
On June 21 2015 07:18 Boucot wrote: I don't get how Jamaica was chosen to participate in Copa America. Weren't there more competitive teams ? :/
In fact they were fewer. Mexico is also invited when they weren't in the past.
No I mean couldn't they find a team more competitive than Jamaica to fill the spots ?
They invited Japan (they pulled out in 2011 because of the earthquake), after they declined China was asked and China pulled out because of a scheduling conflict with WC 2018 qualifying
OK. The fact that Gold Cup is right after doesn't help, I'd have loved to see Costa Rica for example after their good World Cup last year.
It's just not schedulable. Afc, Caf and Uefa all had WC qualifying, NA has the Gold Cup. Ofc would not really have improved the competition I guess. :p The best idea to solve it would be to have the Gold Cup every 4 years and have 6 NA teams participate in a 16 team Copa America. Or just combine the American confederations and get it over with.
They should have invited us, we're already qualified for Euro.
Would actually have been a good idea, but I just looked it up, they have never hat a Uefa team there. That might be a conscious decision.
On June 21 2015 07:11 sneirac wrote: That was a free goal if the man in the middle actually keeps up. Was your earlier vitriol correct and it was Higuain?
It was messi, but makes no sense to go faster, that would reduce the angle of the pass and make it harder to di maria. Staying just a bit behind lets him give messi a clean pass so he can resolve better and score.
Staying just a bit behind would have been great, but he fell so far behind that he wasn't an option anymore.
Anyway, it was di maria so even with messi being further ahead he would have not made the pass...
can't argue with that actually
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On June 21 2015 07:21 Boucot wrote:
On June 21 2015 07:20 Racket wrote:
On June 21 2015 07:18 Boucot wrote: I don't get how Jamaica was chosen to participate in Copa America. Weren't there more competitive teams ? :/
In fact they were fewer. Mexico is also invited when they weren't in the past.
No I mean couldn't they find a team more competitive than Jamaica to fill the spots ?
They invited Japan (they pulled out in 2011 because of the earthquake), after they declined China was asked and China pulled out because of a scheduling conflict with WC 2018 qualifying
OK. The fact that Gold Cup is right after doesn't help, I'd have loved to see Costa Rica for example after their good World Cup last year.
It's just not schedulable. Afc, Caf and Uefa all had WC qualifying, NA has the Gold Cup. Ofc would not really have improved the competition I guess. :p The best idea to solve it would be to have the Gold Cup every 4 years and have 6 NA teams participate in a 16 team Copa America. Or just combine the American confederations and get it over with.
They should have invited us, we're already qualified for Euro.
Would actually have been a good idea, but I just looked it up, they have never hat a Uefa team there. That might be a conscious decision.
I guess that has more to do with clubs not willing to have their players injured.
Yeah thats the reason Mexico sends their B team to copa america, it overlaps with the copa oro since some years ago, and this happens with a lot of different confederations. They'd have to sort the schedule out if they want better invited teams competing on the copa america, but I don't think thats something the comebol actually wants.
On June 21 2015 07:11 sneirac wrote: That was a free goal if the man in the middle actually keeps up. Was your earlier vitriol correct and it was Higuain?
It was messi, but makes no sense to go faster, that would reduce the angle of the pass and make it harder to di maria. Staying just a bit behind lets him give messi a clean pass so he can resolve better and score.
Staying just a bit behind would have been great, but he fell so far behind that he wasn't an option anymore.
Anyway, it was di maria so even with messi being further ahead he would have not made the pass...
can't argue with that actually
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On June 21 2015 07:21 Boucot wrote:
On June 21 2015 07:20 Racket wrote:
On June 21 2015 07:18 Boucot wrote: I don't get how Jamaica was chosen to participate in Copa America. Weren't there more competitive teams ? :/
In fact they were fewer. Mexico is also invited when they weren't in the past.
No I mean couldn't they find a team more competitive than Jamaica to fill the spots ?
They invited Japan (they pulled out in 2011 because of the earthquake), after they declined China was asked and China pulled out because of a scheduling conflict with WC 2018 qualifying
OK. The fact that Gold Cup is right after doesn't help, I'd have loved to see Costa Rica for example after their good World Cup last year.
It's just not schedulable. Afc, Caf and Uefa all had WC qualifying, NA has the Gold Cup. Ofc would not really have improved the competition I guess. :p The best idea to solve it would be to have the Gold Cup every 4 years and have 6 NA teams participate in a 16 team Copa America. Or just combine the American confederations and get it over with.
They should have invited us, we're already qualified for Euro.
Would actually have been a good idea, but I just looked it up, they have never hat a Uefa team there. That might be a conscious decision.
I guess that has more to do with clubs not willing to have their players injured.
Does figure in, but it might also be a deliberate decision to separate themselves from European football. And I don't think France would have showed up with their A team anyway.
On June 21 2015 07:17 Racket wrote: [quote] It was messi, but makes no sense to go faster, that would reduce the angle of the pass and make it harder to di maria. Staying just a bit behind lets him give messi a clean pass so he can resolve better and score.
Staying just a bit behind would have been great, but he fell so far behind that he wasn't an option anymore.
Anyway, it was di maria so even with messi being further ahead he would have not made the pass...
can't argue with that actually
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On June 21 2015 07:21 Boucot wrote:
On June 21 2015 07:20 Racket wrote:
On June 21 2015 07:18 Boucot wrote: I don't get how Jamaica was chosen to participate in Copa America. Weren't there more competitive teams ? :/
In fact they were fewer. Mexico is also invited when they weren't in the past.
No I mean couldn't they find a team more competitive than Jamaica to fill the spots ?
They invited Japan (they pulled out in 2011 because of the earthquake), after they declined China was asked and China pulled out because of a scheduling conflict with WC 2018 qualifying
OK. The fact that Gold Cup is right after doesn't help, I'd have loved to see Costa Rica for example after their good World Cup last year.
It's just not schedulable. Afc, Caf and Uefa all had WC qualifying, NA has the Gold Cup. Ofc would not really have improved the competition I guess. :p The best idea to solve it would be to have the Gold Cup every 4 years and have 6 NA teams participate in a 16 team Copa America. Or just combine the American confederations and get it over with.
They should have invited us, we're already qualified for Euro.
Would actually have been a good idea, but I just looked it up, they have never hat a Uefa team there. That might be a conscious decision.
I guess that has more to do with clubs not willing to have their players injured.
Does figure in, but it might also be a deliberate decision to separate themselves from European football. And I don't think France would have showed up with their A team anyway.
Well, our A-team isn't even able to beat Albania so I'm not sure that would have been a wise decision to accept it in the first place. xD
On June 21 2015 07:20 sneirac wrote: [quote] Staying just a bit behind would have been great, but he fell so far behind that he wasn't an option anymore.
Anyway, it was di maria so even with messi being further ahead he would have not made the pass...
can't argue with that actually
Edit:
On June 21 2015 07:21 Boucot wrote:
On June 21 2015 07:20 Racket wrote: [quote] In fact they were fewer. Mexico is also invited when they weren't in the past.
No I mean couldn't they find a team more competitive than Jamaica to fill the spots ?
They invited Japan (they pulled out in 2011 because of the earthquake), after they declined China was asked and China pulled out because of a scheduling conflict with WC 2018 qualifying
OK. The fact that Gold Cup is right after doesn't help, I'd have loved to see Costa Rica for example after their good World Cup last year.
It's just not schedulable. Afc, Caf and Uefa all had WC qualifying, NA has the Gold Cup. Ofc would not really have improved the competition I guess. :p The best idea to solve it would be to have the Gold Cup every 4 years and have 6 NA teams participate in a 16 team Copa America. Or just combine the American confederations and get it over with.
They should have invited us, we're already qualified for Euro.
Would actually have been a good idea, but I just looked it up, they have never hat a Uefa team there. That might be a conscious decision.
I guess that has more to do with clubs not willing to have their players injured.
Does figure in, but it might also be a deliberate decision to separate themselves from European football. And I don't think France would have showed up with their A team anyway.
Well, our A-team isn't even able to beat Albania so I'm not sure that would have been a wise decision to accept it in the first place. xD
On June 21 2015 08:27 Steveling wrote: This argentina team is terrible, horrible. Really shows how much Pep has helped spain and germany by coaching their core players in barca and bayern.
It's not terrible, horrible. It's actually quite decent.
It's not beautiful though. Compared to Barcelona, I think Mascherano in Defensive Midfield makes the world of difference. The counteract and the creativity just isn't there.
The other thing that seems lacking is the full back play and Pastore. Feels like Argentina should get more out of Pastore.
And everyone needs to work on their lobs. Between Higuain going over the crossbar, Di Maria hitting it weak and off target, and Messi hitting it low, they missed out on three goals.
On June 21 2015 08:27 Steveling wrote: This argentina team is terrible, horrible. Really shows how much Pep has helped spain and germany by coaching their core players in barca and bayern.
It's not terrible, horrible. It's actually quite decent.
It's not beautiful though. Compared to Barcelona, I think Mascherano in Defensive Midfield makes the world of difference. The counteract and the creativity just isn't there.
The other thing that seems lacking is the full back play and Pastore. Feels like Argentina should get more out of Pastore.
And everyone needs to work on their lobs. Between Higuain going over the crossbar, Di Maria hitting it weak and off target, and Messi hitting it low, they missed out on three goals.
Names and transfer values don't play football. This argentina has barely won or drew against, paraguay, jamaica, iran, bosnia and switcherland. They are terrible. If lets say garay, rojo, masch, messi and pastore were all in the same team coached by a great manager I'm sure they would be 3 times better. It's not a coincidence that spain/barca and germany/bayern successes are linked.
Yeah well thats to be expected. It looks like a collection of big players than a team. But you can say that for most national teams.
The level we are used to at club level cant be replicated unless a good chunk of the squads play either in the same team or in the same/similar systems.
There is not much you can do about it. We are spoiled with club football but international football has its place obviously.
Just the methodology of how you make these guys play together is a bit different and Im not sure what the key there is.
Low just replicated whatever Bayern did and Del Bosque just kept playing his (quite dull) double pivot with often a false nine through most of 2010 and 2012 so those are your solutions there.
I'd like to point out Chile is a pretty consolidated team with the 11 starter playing on VERY different clubs and systems. Some players from Chile flopped the entire season at their teams (Eduardo Vargas, Mauricio Isla) and others didn't do particularly well (Gonzalo Jara, Marcelo Diaz, Valdivia) but on NT they are sick good players, or at least the best alternative for the team over others who had good seasons who stay at the bench (Angelo Henriquez, Mauricio Pinilla, David Pizarro, Matias Fernandez). Vidal and Alexis are good on both fronts.
Taking down Spain on WC was an incredible feat at the time, Spain didn't suck at all (obviously it wasn't at peak performance but still)
How easy is it to be the best player in the world playing for Barça? If there is one thing I'd like to see is Messi playing for a team like ManU, PSG or Chelsea while he is at his prime (or at least while he's still incredibly good, as I think his peak was that 92 goal season). Barça is a team where players like Neymar and Pedro can score dobletes and hattricks multiple times in the season (when Messi is not around).
These statistics, even if not all of them seems to be well calculculated in my eyes, were taken from the WC 2010 until WC 2014 inclusive. 1) Messi has scored and assisted per game more than any other player, only Ronaldo is near him. 2) Taking into account all of those players who shoot as much as he does, he is the one that scores the most staying above the tendency by the largest margin. 3) Not only he is in second place in amount of shots on goal but he is also the one with the best scoring expectation per shot. In addition he surpasses this individual expectation by the largest difference. 4) Score percentage given the distance of the shot, in order Messi - Ronaldo - Others: - Outside the penalty area: 12,1% - 4,1% - 3,1% - Inside the penalty area: 21,9% - 18,5% - 13,1% - Inside the goalkeeper box: 47,8% - 46,2% - 38,2% 5) Shooting from outside of the penalty area is Messi, with 21 goals in 173 shots, more effective than everyone else, including Ronaldo with 17 goals in more than 400 shots. 6) Messi scores more alone than with help, and in both situations his effectiveness is way above everyone else. The only one besides him that is better alone is Tevez, who didn't even play the WC 2014. 7) Messi not only attempts to dribble opponents more than anyone else but also he is the most effective at it. 8) Messi has a best relation between goals per game and assists per game, only Ronaldo is near him in goals and he is only surpassed in assists by Ribery and Özil. And Özil assisted Ronaldo. 9) Of all forward from Barcelona, Messi is the most focused in passing the ball forward. Out of his eleven thousand passes, he completed 83,8%, and 46,8% of those eleven thousand were forward passes of which he completed an outstanding 74,4%. The second with most forward passes was Villa with 34,2%. 10) This graphic is quite ugly and confusing. It is the percentage of long passes completed against the percentage of long passes that end up in a successful play. Here we can see a few players better than him but he is the one with the most attempts per game. Given that. if Messi and Ronaldo play one game, Ronaldo would make 7 long passes and 4 of them would end up in a successful play when Messi would make 15 long passes with 8 of them being successful plays, achieving this way double the opportunities. I chose Ronaldo because they usually play around the same amount of matches. 11) Here Messi shows a significant relation between through passes and through assists. 12) In this one the relation between the amount of goals per game and forward passes on 3/4 of the field shows Messi right at the top. 13) Another complicated one. Shows how much better Barcelona gets when Messi is involved in a play. First in shots on goal and then on assisted shots. The best in both. 14) Once again the best. Here we can see the relation between goals from his team (scored by him or his teammates) and the percentage of shots in which he was involved. 15) If we relate ball possession with amount of goals and assists, Messi is once again at the top. 16) The last one shows that Messi is above the tendency of a forward getting involved defensively when his team does not have the ball in possession in relation with goals scored when his team has the ball.
Conclusion: Even when the amount of games played by the national team is a quite small sample, Messi performs better in the national team than Ronaldo in Real Madrid. Not said by me but by the numbers shown in the article. Let alone Barcelona.
Something funny written at the end by this guy: If Messi from Barcelona and Messi from the national team were two different persons, taking into account from 2010 to 2014, a quite large probability exists of both players being the best in the world.
I find super sad that Messi can't play in his natural position and is forced to carry ten more people so hard. And then blamed like it was only his fault.
One can indeed ask more of Messi because he is Messi, and one has to agree that Argentina has (based on names alone) a top3 team, easily.
Its not like he is forced to play with 10 rocks at his side also, their mid-forward players are by far one of the best. For example, if you take Neymar and Dani Alves out of Brazil, give them a green shirt and you could easily pass them as Bulgary without Stoichkov (No offense), they are terrible, easily the worst Brazil ive seen (I mean, they are still brazil but you get what i mean...).
And while i do believe this is more od a coach problem, i cant believe those guys are force to play like that.
2010: 10 goals on the qualis CA2011: 0 goals WC2014: 4 goals (its done untill the group phase but he didnt do anything else on the playoff so it counts)
Where does the other 5 come from ? I tried to see the source (the one the argetinian site has) but it doesnt lead to anywhere
On June 21 2015 18:59 Faruko wrote: One can indeed ask more of Messi because he is Messi, and one has to agree that Argentina has (based on names alone) a top3 team, easily.
Its not like he is forced to play with 10 rocks at his side also, their mid-forward players are by far one of the best. For example, if you take Neymar and Dani Alves out of Brazil, give them a green shirt and you could easily pass them as Bulgary without Stoichkov (No offense), they are terrible, easily the worst Brazil ive seen (I mean, they are still brazil but you get what i mean...).
And while i do believe this is more od a coach problem, i cant believe those guys are force to play like that.
It is a coach problem, it has been for more than 10 years. Forcing him to play in an unnatural position and weighting him down alone with all the work he does not do alone in Barcelona is what I see as a bad decision.
Argentina has non existent midfield (not because the players are not there but instead because the strategy does not involve them as the center of creativity and they just play like appends of Messi), you can see how they throw the ball to Di maria to run and make a chip pass or Messi to do magic and create an opportunity. That is why Pastore has so low impact and Gago, when he plays has a relatively bigger impact but just because he plays further back and the ball must go through him before reaching Messi, but again is Messi plus someone instead of three or four mid fields playing together to create opportunities for Messi, like it is done in Barcelona.
I mean, like i said i believe this is a coach problem (since Bielsa every single coach has been awful besides Sabella on 2014), most of the time it does feel they put 10 players on the field and expect them to do the same magic they do in each team.
Its that... I have hard time believing that Aguero, Di Maria, Higuain, Messi, Tevez, Pastore, Lavezzi, etc... Having a hard time creating chances and plays
On June 21 2015 19:48 Faruko wrote: I mean, like i said i believe this is a coach problem (since Bielsa every single coach has been awful besides Sabella on 2014), most of the time it does feel they put 10 players on the field and expect them to do the same magic they do in each team.
Its that... I have hard time believing that Aguero, Di Maria, Higuain, Messi, Tevez, Pastore, Lavezzi, etc... Having a hard time creating chances and plays
Yeah, at the end... It is a coach problem.
I believe so too, I could say Pekerman did also a relatively good job.
I don't think those players have hard times creating chances, I think they were not given a specific way to do so, then they have to find it in the field. Also, it is not fair for a player who plays every day of his life in a position with an objective to be put somewhere else and give him a different directive then expect him to perform at the same level. Valid for Messi and for everyone else in that situation.
Argentina have low performance in a lot of players but I think that, as you say, it is due to coach decisions.
Martino also had a really bad season with Barcelona, the same team and players that won everything this year. My guess would be that Martino can't handle good players. He is good with average players and is able to get the most of them but not with better players. That seems to be the case up until now.
Nearly all the stats are based on shot efficiency - which is understandable given that it comes from Americans used to the analytics of NBA basketball where efficiency is everything. To say that Messi performs better for the NT than Ronaldo based on shot efficiency is a bit silly. This doesn't make as much sense in football as it does in basketball - 1 goal in 10 shots is as valuable as 1 goal in 2 shots if both lead to a final result of 1-0. The numbers don't take into account differences in playing style nor, for example, the fact that Ronaldo takes a higher volume of headers which naturally convert at a lower level.
Nearly all the stats are based on shot efficiency - which is understandable given that it comes from Americans used to the analytics of NBA basketball where efficiency is everything. To say that Messi performs better for the NT than Ronaldo based on shot efficiency is a bit silly. This doesn't make as much sense in football as it does in basketball - 1 goal in 10 shots is as valuable as 1 goal in 2 shots if both lead to a final result of 1-0. The numbers don't take into account differences in playing style nor, for example, the fact that Ronaldo takes a higher volume of headers which naturally convert at a lower level.
The statistics are about the player and the impact he has on the game, not the result of those games. Of course, tactics and strategies are highly involved in the performance of the player, that is why in Argentina, Messi is always blamed because he does not perform as well as in Barcelona and the NT is never as effective as Barcelona.
That is the point, he is a good player and he makes his team perform better overall, but he can't do everything by himself and there is where you find that the team is as important as the player. Both in Barcelona and NT he play against defensive tactics mostly, but Barcelona deals with that better than the NT, be it tactics, strategies or names.
Edit: Also, you do not find comparisons between forwards and defenders, so it is not so off the mark.
Nearly all the stats are based on shot efficiency - which is understandable given that it comes from Americans used to the analytics of NBA basketball where efficiency is everything. To say that Messi performs better for the NT than Ronaldo based on shot efficiency is a bit silly. This doesn't make as much sense in football as it does in basketball - 1 goal in 10 shots is as valuable as 1 goal in 2 shots if both lead to a final result of 1-0. The numbers don't take into account differences in playing style nor, for example, the fact that Ronaldo takes a higher volume of headers which naturally convert at a lower level.
The statistics are about the player and the impact he has on the game, not the result of those games. Of course, tactics and strategies are highly involved in the performance of the player, that is why in Argentina, Messi is always blamed because he does not perform as well as in Barcelona and the NT is never as effective as Barcelona.
That is the point, he is a good player and he makes his team perform better overall, but he can't do everything by himself and there is where you find that the team is as important as the player. Both in Barcelona and NT he play against defensive tactics mostly, but Barcelona deals with that better than the NT, be it tactics, strategies or names.
Edit: Also, you do not find comparisons between forwards and defenders, so it is not so off the mark.
Statistic tell nothing about the impact of player on the game, player with 0 touches of the ball can be the most impactful person on the pitch, as he can create space for teammates to score with good movement off the ball that absorbs defenders. Or your DM with lots of tackles and interceptions and 100% tackle rate can be reason you lose because he hasn't backtracked after lost ball despite looking amazing in the stats. Lots of very importnat things isn't measurable by stats, also football stats are generally out of context.
Nearly all the stats are based on shot efficiency - which is understandable given that it comes from Americans used to the analytics of NBA basketball where efficiency is everything. To say that Messi performs better for the NT than Ronaldo based on shot efficiency is a bit silly. This doesn't make as much sense in football as it does in basketball - 1 goal in 10 shots is as valuable as 1 goal in 2 shots if both lead to a final result of 1-0. The numbers don't take into account differences in playing style nor, for example, the fact that Ronaldo takes a higher volume of headers which naturally convert at a lower level.
The statistics are about the player and the impact he has on the game, not the result of those games. Of course, tactics and strategies are highly involved in the performance of the player, that is why in Argentina, Messi is always blamed because he does not perform as well as in Barcelona and the NT is never as effective as Barcelona.
That is the point, he is a good player and he makes his team perform better overall, but he can't do everything by himself and there is where you find that the team is as important as the player. Both in Barcelona and NT he play against defensive tactics mostly, but Barcelona deals with that better than the NT, be it tactics, strategies or names.
Edit: Also, you do not find comparisons between forwards and defenders, so it is not so off the mark.
Statistic tell nothing about the impact of player on the game, player with 0 touches of the ball can be the most impactful person on the pitch, as he can create space for teammates to score with good movement off the ball that absorbs defenders. Or your DM with lots of tackles and interceptions and 100% tackle rate can be reason you lose because he hasn't backtracked after lost ball despite looking amazing in the stats. Lots of very importnat things isn't measurable by stats, also football stats are generally out of context.
On June 21 2015 04:18 TanGeng wrote: One thing I always wonder about is why don't Copa America get the three Guyanas to field a team so they can invite 3 teams for NA/CA and get 4 groups.
Do Suriname, Guyana, French Guyana not have enough interest to field a football team?
From what I understand, these nations are culturally much closer to the caribbean than to the rest of south america. I think they once were colonies from uk, france and netherlands, while the current conmebol nations were spanish/portuguese colonies. This is still reflected by the languages today.
Afaik the main sport in guyana at least is cricket, while many good suriname football players also are eligible for netherlands (and in the past have chosen the netherlands over suriname, according to wikipedia edgar davids, seedorf and hasselbaink were born in suriname). Same for french guyana and france I suppose. So they might essentially water down the niveau of the competition, while probably not being financially attractive inclusions either.
On June 21 2015 05:42 haitike wrote: I investigated a little and 43% of Guyana population is descendent from Indian population, and 27% of Suriname too. In both countries Hindustani descendants are the biggest ethnic groups.
That can explain the Cricket popularity and lack of football insterest, the same that India xD
Surimane and Guyana are CONCACAF countries anyway, they play qualifiers for Golden Cup.
Thanks for being so informative! Wow, How in the world did so many Hindus make it to Guyana.
Only an insane person would say that "Argentina's messi" could be the best player in the world, seriously. And use those specific numbers to have a claim that "that" Messi > Ronaldo on Madrid.
On June 21 2015 23:42 Raidern wrote: Only an insane person would say that "Argentina's messi" could be the best player in the world, seriously. And use those specific numbers to have a claim that "that" Messi > Ronaldo on Madrid.
Damn Im surprised Mexico is out in 4th place!
I don't say it, the numbers say it, numbers of a small sample, mostly not representative.
On June 21 2015 23:54 Raidern wrote: Yea keep 0.45 goal/match messi with 1 shoot/goal ratio. I'll have Ronaldo 1.1 goal/match with 0.02 shoot/goal ratio anytime.
Did you read the article? If Argentina instead of reaching the finals would have dropped on group stages they could not claim that.
You have to read the article, stop arguing with me, I didn't write the article.
On June 21 2015 04:18 TanGeng wrote: One thing I always wonder about is why don't Copa America get the three Guyanas to field a team so they can invite 3 teams for NA/CA and get 4 groups.
Do Suriname, Guyana, French Guyana not have enough interest to field a football team?
From what I understand, these nations are culturally much closer to the caribbean than to the rest of south america. I think they once were colonies from uk, france and netherlands, while the current conmebol nations were spanish/portuguese colonies. This is still reflected by the languages today.
Afaik the main sport in guyana at least is cricket, while many good suriname football players also are eligible for netherlands (and in the past have chosen the netherlands over suriname, according to wikipedia edgar davids, seedorf and hasselbaink were born in suriname). Same for french guyana and france I suppose. So they might essentially water down the niveau of the competition, while probably not being financially attractive inclusions either.
On June 21 2015 05:42 haitike wrote: I investigated a little and 43% of Guyana population is descendent from Indian population, and 27% of Suriname too. In both countries Hindustani descendants are the biggest ethnic groups.
That can explain the Cricket popularity and lack of football insterest, the same that India xD
Surimane and Guyana are CONCACAF countries anyway, they play qualifiers for Golden Cup.
Thanks for being so informative! Wow, How in the world did so many Hindus make it to Guyana.
When slavery was abolished, the black African slaves of Guyana left the plantations and went to villages and towns. As Britain needed new workers for the sugar plantations, and India was a British colony too, they migrated hindu unemployed workers to work on Guyana for a very low salary.
On June 21 2015 04:18 TanGeng wrote: One thing I always wonder about is why don't Copa America get the three Guyanas to field a team so they can invite 3 teams for NA/CA and get 4 groups.
Do Suriname, Guyana, French Guyana not have enough interest to field a football team?
From what I understand, these nations are culturally much closer to the caribbean than to the rest of south america. I think they once were colonies from uk, france and netherlands, while the current conmebol nations were spanish/portuguese colonies. This is still reflected by the languages today.
Afaik the main sport in guyana at least is cricket, while many good suriname football players also are eligible for netherlands (and in the past have chosen the netherlands over suriname, according to wikipedia edgar davids, seedorf and hasselbaink were born in suriname). Same for french guyana and france I suppose. So they might essentially water down the niveau of the competition, while probably not being financially attractive inclusions either.
On June 21 2015 05:42 haitike wrote: I investigated a little and 43% of Guyana population is descendent from Indian population, and 27% of Suriname too. In both countries Hindustani descendants are the biggest ethnic groups.
That can explain the Cricket popularity and lack of football insterest, the same that India xD
Surimane and Guyana are CONCACAF countries anyway, they play qualifiers for Golden Cup.
Thanks for being so informative! Wow, How in the world did so many Hindus make it to Guyana.
When slavery was abolished, the black African slaves of Guyana left the plantations and went to villages and towns. As Britain needed new workers for the sugar plantations, and India was a British colony too, they migrated hindu unemployed workers to work on Guyana for a very low salary.
Ahh I see. I guess it's the same reason so many Africans made it to the Americas. Thanks!
On June 21 2015 04:18 TanGeng wrote: One thing I always wonder about is why don't Copa America get the three Guyanas to field a team so they can invite 3 teams for NA/CA and get 4 groups.
Do Suriname, Guyana, French Guyana not have enough interest to field a football team?
From what I understand, these nations are culturally much closer to the caribbean than to the rest of south america. I think they once were colonies from uk, france and netherlands, while the current conmebol nations were spanish/portuguese colonies. This is still reflected by the languages today.
Afaik the main sport in guyana at least is cricket, while many good suriname football players also are eligible for netherlands (and in the past have chosen the netherlands over suriname, according to wikipedia edgar davids, seedorf and hasselbaink were born in suriname). Same for french guyana and france I suppose. So they might essentially water down the niveau of the competition, while probably not being financially attractive inclusions either.
On June 21 2015 05:42 haitike wrote: I investigated a little and 43% of Guyana population is descendent from Indian population, and 27% of Suriname too. In both countries Hindustani descendants are the biggest ethnic groups.
That can explain the Cricket popularity and lack of football insterest, the same that India xD
Surimane and Guyana are CONCACAF countries anyway, they play qualifiers for Golden Cup.
Thanks for being so informative! Wow, How in the world did so many Hindus make it to Guyana.
Oh I could have told you that since I am probably the only person on TL who watches as much cricket as football lol.
East African (Tanzania, Madagascar, even South Africa) as well as some Islands in the Caribbean had alot of Indian immigrants from the colonial era. Basically the British brought their peons and servants and soldiers along and they just stayed. Guyana is where they all ended up convering on.
The only thing the Caribbean Islands do as one nation is play cricket. Its literally the only thing they do together and are called "The West Indies".
Especially Christian Indians from early portuguese settlements from Goa etc on the east side of Indias coast (the easiest place to sail from)
On June 22 2015 05:46 Faruko wrote: If this ends in a tie and Brazil and Venezuela tie, Colombia will be out (if im not wrong)
Correct. Both teams end up on the same point and goal difference. Venezuela can't end up on less goals scored than Colombia and won the meeting between them.
Also, Ecuador are now officially knocked out of the Copa as well.
Colombia needs a winner in the last game (and if they advance they face Argentina), Brazil and Venezuela are both good with a draw but eliminated with a loss. Venezuela will meet Argentina next round though with a 0-0 or 1-1.
Brazil actually can't mathematically face Argentina, they will either get 1st or 2nd, or 4th if they lose.
And to put a cherry on top of the what ifs, there is now no possible result for a Argentina Brazil quarter final, right? All three others are possible but not Brazil.
On June 22 2015 06:05 sneirac wrote: And to put a cherry on top of the what ifs, there is now no possible result for a Argentina Brazil quarter final, right? All three others are possible but not Brazil.
I've heard that Argentina in the 1978 World Cup is partially responsible too in addition to the Austria Germany match because some people believe Argentina vs Peru was fixed
pekerman is eo fucking over rated. how have we been starting falcao and not jackson? beyond crazy. Jackson excelent season named best player of porto.. falcao... we all know. Same with cuadrado he did not do one good thing the who whole game. please jackson and ibarbo from start from fucks sake. and wtf is going on with James?? if not next to cr or bale you suddendly cant play????
I think the same applies to Portugal without Ronaldo and Argentina without Messi. Some teams just become too dependant on a single player and start doubting their own skills
I guess but those 3 teams both topped their groups respectively. Chile/Argentina/Brazil would rather Argentina vs Brazil finals :D even if it is now without Neymar.
I don't see so clear the three semifinalists. Colombia has a good team and the can defeat Argentina pefectly. And Chile and No-Neymar-Brazil can loose to Uruguay and Paraguay.
On June 22 2015 18:45 haitike wrote: I don't see so clear the three semifinalists. Colombia has a good team and the can defeat Argentina pefectly. And Chile and No-Neymar-Brazil can loose to Uruguay and Paraguay.
I don't expect the three in the semifinals.
Well yeah this sort of tournaments upsets are always abound. Alot of these teams look like shit one day and play like gods the next.
I guess is south american culture? xD Paraguay vs Uruguay was last years finals i guess we could see a Peru vs Paraguay finals to continue the wtf copa america mode xD
Times this week are not as bad as the two games i want to watch are on Friday at midnight and Saturday at 10:30 so i will be able to watch both :D
On June 22 2015 19:01 Pandemona wrote: I guess is south american culture? xD Paraguay vs Uruguay was last years finals i guess we could see a Peru vs Paraguay finals to continue the wtf copa america mode xD
Times this week are not as bad as the two games i want to watch are on Friday at midnight and Saturday at 10:30 so i will be able to watch both :D
Uruguay wasn't wtf copa america though... It even affirmed their 2010 performance as best SA team at that time
Yeah they are just a solid team though, Godin Suarez Cavani the true stars and at best they have mediocre players around those. Perreria's etc. I would rate Colombia's squad on paper now better than that, i also think Chile are now the "new uruguay" in terms of what their team gives.
1. Argentina 2. Brazil 3. Chile 4. Colombia 5. Uruguay
Is how i rate South America teams inside South America.
he is going to finally play at home for peñarol also we love ruining parties from the first copa at argentina to maracana in 1950 then argentina again in last copa 2011 to name a few so maybe we fail this time but in this kind of games is were we shine go celeste :p
From what I understand Dunga was highly critical of how he was still the main story last year and just wanted the distraction gone. Would make sense to send him home if they didn't even bother with the appeal.
On June 23 2015 07:27 sneirac wrote: From what I understand Dunga was highly critical of how he was still the main story last year and just wanted the distraction gone. Would make sense to send him home if they didn't even bother with the appeal.
he did say something about "We need men, not children"
On June 22 2015 16:56 Pandemona wrote: I guess but those 3 teams both topped their groups respectively. Chile/Argentina/Brazil would rather Argentina vs Brazil finals :D even if it is now without Neymar.
Well, If Colombia wasnt so bad they would have been in the upper racket agaisnt Bolivia, meaning Chile/Uruguay vs Colombia and Argentina vs Brazil/Paraguay in semi finals
On June 23 2015 07:18 fabiano wrote: Brazil has been a mediocre team since 2006. Mediocrity has been around for 9 years, wow...
Or have I been too used to Brazil always being too powerful?
They had the best team+coach combination in 2010 though
Everybody here in Brazil love a scapegoat, and in 2010 we had Felipe Melo and Dunga. Felipe Melo was incredibly stupid against Netherlands, but Dunga had a great record with the team and was unfairly blamed. People kept saying Dunga ruined the "brazilian" way of playing the game, that we were playing too "european".
Recently this has been getting better, with people realizing that Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Romario etc were gone, it´s not easy to find players like them and we need to actually play tactical football like the rest of the world.
Kinda off topic what I am saying here hahaha, but 99% of people who say things like "Brazil had a good team+coach combination in 2010" are not from Brazil. I find this very interesting... but I agree with you.
On June 23 2015 07:18 fabiano wrote: Brazil has been a mediocre team since 2006. Mediocrity has been around for 9 years, wow...
Or have I been too used to Brazil always being too powerful?
They had the best team+coach combination in 2010 though
Everybody here in Brazil love a scapegoat, and in 2010 we had Felipe Melo and Dunga. Felipe Melo was incredibly stupid against Netherlands, but Dunga had a great record with the team and was unfairly blamed. People kept saying Dunga ruined the "brazilian" way of playing the game, that we were playing too "european".
Recently this has been getting better, with people realizing that Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Romario etc were gone, it´s not easy to find players like them and we need to actually play tactical football like the rest of the world.
Kinda off topic what I am saying here hahaha, but 99% of people who say things like "Brazil had a good team+coach combination in 2010" are not from Brazil. I find this very interesting... but I agree with you.
I mean i always hear (especially from Argentinian journalist) that this brazil is betraying their normal way of playing...
Well, you have to play with what you have, this Brazil has surprisingly strong defensive midfield and their back line, play to your strenghts, theres no real 9 like Ronaldo back in the day...
you have 3 extremely fast offensive players also (well, now 2) between Neymar, Firmino and Willian, Brazil could destroy any defense with their speed and precision.
On June 25 2015 08:53 NuclearJudas wrote: God damn, Ray Hudson loves himself some Valdivia.
I just turned my tv off and found a British stream. Any player that can pass or has a half decent touch makes him jizz like a 12 year old who found his first porn mag.
On June 25 2015 08:53 NuclearJudas wrote: God damn, Ray Hudson loves himself some Valdivia.
I just turned my tv off and found a British stream. Any player that can pass or has a half decent touch makes him jizz like a 12 year old who found his first porn mag.
Indeed, but I think he's quite bearable tonight. Maybe that'll change when there's a goal. I love his passion, but man does he go overboard often.
On June 25 2015 08:53 NuclearJudas wrote: God damn, Ray Hudson loves himself some Valdivia.
I just turned my tv off and found a British stream. Any player that can pass or has a half decent touch makes him jizz like a 12 year old who found his first porn mag.
Indeed, but I think he's quite bearable tonight. Maybe that'll change when there's a goal. I love his passion, but man does he go overboard often.
Hes bearable because Messi is not playing. But I have had to deal with him for over half a decade and I just had enough.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I love the bronze match. It's still an achievement and teams just let it fucking go in those games. Attacking football all game long.
And yeah, Hudson is on BeIN or however it's capitalised.
Still miffed about no extra time. There'd be limbs left on the pitch to clean up before the penalties.
On June 25 2015 10:00 sneirac wrote: wow from that replay it was a ridiculous card, even if it was stupid
He got what was coming to him. He's there to play soccer, not slap another player -_-
I can see that, but if that was a slap then this should have been a straight red and it would probably have been the 5th of the match. Including the Chilean player that "slapped" him on the ass.
On June 25 2015 10:00 sneirac wrote: wow from that replay it was a ridiculous card, even if it was stupid
He got what was coming to him. He's there to play soccer, not slap another player -_-
I can see that, but if that was a slap then this should have been a straight red and it would probably have been the 5th of the match. Including the Chilean player that "slapped" him on the ass.
On June 25 2015 10:00 sneirac wrote: wow from that replay it was a ridiculous card, even if it was stupid
He got what was coming to him. He's there to play soccer, not slap another player -_-
I can see that, but if that was a slap then this should have been a straight red and it would probably have been the 5th of the match. Including the Chilean player that "slapped" him on the ass.
On June 25 2015 09:23 Rebs wrote: wait till one team starts losing. Uruguay gonna take the shit kicking to another level and guys like Vidal can give it just aswell.
Infact the only guy on either team that probably is a touch player that wont be up for a fight every chance is Valdivia. And thats a maybe.
Oh South America you dont disappoint.
And to be fair. This Uruguay is pretty weak now. Lugano is gone, Forlan is gone. Before it was a front 3 and a bunch of jobbers. Even some flair from guys like Recoba. Now its just jobbers + Suarez (Cavani is painfully over rated in my view)
Edit: to be fair he the ref did let the game go alot early on and kept warning them to stop and then he started pulling out the cards. The decisions were ridiculous to harsh though. But they may well he straws that broke the camels back in terms of his patience. Not a justification but some sort of rationale if there can be any.
On June 25 2015 09:23 Rebs wrote: wait till one team starts losing. Uruguay gonna take the shit kicking to another level and guys like Vidal can give it just aswell.
Infact the only guy on either team that probably is a touch player that wont be up for a fight every chance is Valdivia. And thats a maybe.
Oh South America you dont disappoint.
And to be fair. This Uruguay is pretty weak now. Lugano is gone, Forlan is gone. Before it was a front 3 and a bunch of jobbers. Even some flair from guys like Recoba. Now its just jobbers + Suarez (Cavani is painfully over rated in my view)
Edit: to be fair he the ref did let the game go alot early on and kept warning them to stop and then he started pulling out the cards. The decisions were ridiculous to harsh though. But they may well he straws that broke the camels back in terms of his patience. Not a justification but some sort of rationale if there can be any.
I dunno, every call he made was correct except for the first red card and you can argue that he needed help for that one. I don't think this could have been called better, just feels like the players always wanted escalation
So, no one here feels like Jara has to be banned for like 9 games? I mean, sticking his finger in another player's ass is clearly the definition of sportsmanship.
On June 25 2015 13:18 Painmaker wrote: So, no one here feels like Jara has to be banned for like 9 games? I mean, sticking his finger in another player's ass is clearly the definition of sportsmanship.
This sort of thing actually happens in almost all contact sports at many levels. I wonder why this isn't considered sexual assault and why the perpetrators don't get a jail sentence.
Yeah, I would have been ok with Cavani punching him in the face with his fist and then kicking him while he's on the ground. You just don't do that, and the it's the aggressor who should pay for this stuff, not the reacting player. I wouldn't mind if Chile got disqualified over this, although that's never going to happen.
On June 25 2015 20:26 Grettin wrote: Well, glad i'm not watching Copa America due to timezones. Just awful. Didn't surprise me one bit its Chilean that did this either, lol.
Why are you not surprised that a Chilean did this?
Apparently, Jara also was saying stuff to Cavani about his dad. If you haven't heard, Cavani's dad killed a 19 year old while DUI. This happened a couple of days ago.
So sad for Cavani, got wound up and sent off in the most bizarre of circumstances, another reason why video technology would have been useful. You see he gets wound up and at least minimum they both get sent off and not just Cavani for his 2nd yellow.
I think it would be OK to put a ban on Jara, don't know how much matches. I say it in a very honest way and I'm from Chile. Basically, Cavanni second yellow card is very questionable. I'm not sure but I think no matter what the player does to you, you can't react back with an aggresion and expect getting away with it. Probably in an ideal scenario Jara gets a red card and Cavanni a second yellow card. I might be wrong since I don't know the rules at that specific level.
The match went mad when the second red card came, and the only relation it has with the first red card is that the first red card actually exists. You can argue that the foul commited against A. Sanchez is good enough for a direct red card. There is no double interpretation in that one: either by second yellow card or direct red card that guy had to leave the match.
As I said before, this sport is stupid for not utilizing video replay to punish unsportsmanlike conduct (at the very least). The Chilean player reminded me of Marco Materazzi (one of the dirtiest players of all time) in trying to bait and goad a negative reaction from another player. It's natural Cavanni would get pissed off and react angrily. The Chilean guy gave Cavanni an unwanted anal probe. Any other self-respecting man would have done what Cavanni did if not worse.
So what is someone like Cavanni supposed to do? Complain to the official when he'll just say "Sorry, I didn't see it"? Or should he have just ignored it and allowed the guy to finger his butthole all game long?
Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Here's your solution, FIFA: Hire people to look at monitors and radio-in to the official whenever something "bad" happens. No need for drawn out stoppages like we see in Volleyball and Basketball. Just notify the official and have him say, "We caught you doing something nasty! You're banned from this game! And go wash your hand..."
I agree the referee system has to be improved, however as the game is currently played, Chile won fair and square and was the superior team for the entire time.
I've rooted for Uruguay and their "ballness" in every game during their last 2 world cups. Suarez's hand and everything. I don't think you get to cry back when someone uses your tactics back against you.
Uruguay's renowed president twitted something that read the lines off: "We've always done all the tricks in the book, Chile got us good this time. Head back with head tall guys"
This is Chile's best football generation and a unique oportunity to finally win this. I'm fairly confident Chile will steam roll Bolivia or Peru unless something disastrous happens.
I'm hoping for the toughest finals, against Argentina, and beating them head on just to make the victory more epic.
Edit: I hugged Mauricio Isla in a night club 2 years ago. Best night ever.
as said above, Chile is playing their best football ever, they really have a team that looks like they can win it all, it's a shame their path towards the cup has been tainted with numerous "questionable incidents", they should be able to win without them-
Everything in this article has probably been mentioned already, but please enjoy the original page title. They changed the headline but they did forget the url.
On June 26 2015 02:30 Masheyoon wrote: As I said before, this sport is stupid for not utilizing video replay to punish unsportsmanlike conduct (at the very least). The Chilean player reminded me of Marco Materazzi (one of the dirtiest players of all time) in trying to bait and goad a negative reaction from another player. It's natural Cavanni would get pissed off and react angrily. The Chilean guy gave Cavanni an unwanted anal probe. Any other self-respecting man would have done what Cavanni did if not worse.
So what is someone like Cavanni supposed to do? Complain to the official when he'll just say "Sorry, I didn't see it"? Or should he have just ignored it and allowed the guy to finger his butthole all game long?
Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Here's your solution, FIFA: Hire people to look at monitors and radio-in to the official whenever something "bad" happens. No need for drawn out stoppages like we see in Volleyball and Basketball. Just notify the official and have him say, "We caught you doing something nasty! You're banned from this game! And go wash your hand..."
There.
Oh look its the Video Replay Brigade again. Not that you are wrong. But really all you ever do to contribute to our discussions is shit on football for not doing things in terms of policing the game that we all know they should be doing.
Yes I pay attention. Its good that you care, but really always being an angry moralfag isnt really contributing. It got annoying so I called it out. Sorry.
On a more relevant note. I am loving watching Chile play and the whole incident is part and parcel of South America. Its raw, its dogged, its street. Its wrong sure but I for one dont care enough to go up in arms about everything all the time. Its to exhausting and I already had my say on it so really cant give a shit to continue this. Would rather look forward to the next game. Everybody knows there should be punishment and Jarra will probably get whats coming to him like Neymar did. Outrage is good in these cases and even if the Chilean here is saying its wrong there isnt much to discuss.
And lets not forget the relevance of Cavani getting a stupid yellow card in the first place for bodychecking the referees assistant. Many here would say that is red cardable offenses aswell.
Point being no outfield player in that game except Valdivia (who probably couldnt tackle a little girl) played a clean game and thats just the nature of it. There are tons of pokes and prods and kick.
Deal with it, if the people in charge want to change things it will be a generational shift as it has been in football since we have started seeing these changes so yes there will be issues, they will get caught, outrage - fix.
They could be doing more, but since when have we had the highest expectations of the people running the game ?
On June 26 2015 04:29 SagaZ wrote: as said above, Chile is playing their best football ever, they really have a team that looks like they can win it all, it's a shame their path towards the cup has been tainted with numerous "questionable incidents", they should be able to win without them-
Tbh I feel a team that can pressure them through the mid field and into their side can take the game vs Chile. Uruguay didn't do that and pretty much just sat back and slowly died, but I don't know much about futbol so this is just my two cents ha I'm sure people here understand the game better than myself.
Not sure if Peru is bad at dealing with set pieces or the delivery and execution by Bolivia is really good. Im leaning toward the latter. At least the deliveries have been great.
On June 26 2015 02:30 Masheyoon wrote: As I said before, this sport is stupid for not utilizing video replay to punish unsportsmanlike conduct (at the very least). The Chilean player reminded me of Marco Materazzi (one of the dirtiest players of all time) in trying to bait and goad a negative reaction from another player. It's natural Cavanni would get pissed off and react angrily. The Chilean guy gave Cavanni an unwanted anal probe. Any other self-respecting man would have done what Cavanni did if not worse.
So what is someone like Cavanni supposed to do? Complain to the official when he'll just say "Sorry, I didn't see it"? Or should he have just ignored it and allowed the guy to finger his butthole all game long?
Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Here's your solution, FIFA: Hire people to look at monitors and radio-in to the official whenever something "bad" happens. No need for drawn out stoppages like we see in Volleyball and Basketball. Just notify the official and have him say, "We caught you doing something nasty! You're banned from this game! And go wash your hand..."
There.
Oh look its the Video Replay Brigade again. Not that you are wrong. But really all you ever do to contribute to our discussions is shit on football for not doing things in terms of policing the game that we all know they should be doing.
Yes I pay attention. Its good that you care, but really always being an angry moralfag isnt really contributing. It got annoying so I called it out. Sorry.
It wasn't my intention to be annoying, so I'll apologize for that. I'm actually very passionate about this sport, which is why I vented the way I did. This isn't the place for that, though (sorry for not realizing that sooner), so I'll be sure to keep myself in check.
Anyway, my bet continues to be on Argentina and as for Brazil, I just hope Neymar will come to his senses. They rely on him so much that if something like that were to happen at a crucial point during the qualifiers, it may result in the unthinkable for Brazil.
Yeah hes calling it really open. But thats a dangerous game to play. Messi wasnt going anywhere when he got fouled and he let it go. But he did get fouled. I see alot of intent from Argentina to run at defenders and that will mean alot of missed tackles.
Could be an interesting game to ref. And yeah I agree the yellow card was just saying "I am going to call this open. Dont bullshit me."
As long as he is consistent I am fine with it. Or well as consistent as possible. Honestly its kinda impossible to get it all right.
That was sloppy from Messi . He took it too casually, just tried to get it on target. Can happen if you dont have a look at the goal and attack the ball with tunnel vision. Take nothing away from Ospina however.
edit: Mejia doesnt seem to want to last this game.
On June 27 2015 09:19 sneirac wrote: Commentary said his name once, so they might have seen him. Felt like Columbia abandoned him and gave up attacking for most of the half.
Yeah the only time Jackson Martinez showed up was when he bundled in behind Masch. Well I think they realised very quickly how outmatched they were so you cant blame them.
Is this ref srs? lol, that 1st half was like, 2 penalties for argentina, 1 red card for colombia and like 10 fouls that were not called for both teams, mostly for argentina.
On June 27 2015 09:22 Steveling wrote: Is this ref srs? lol, that 1st half was like, 2 penalties for argentina, 1 red card for colombia and like 10 fouls that were not called for both teams, mostly for argentina.
Naa that would be a bit harsh. It would kill the game to be that strict especially when no one else does it. Alot of Colombia players dont have much to work with though. Half time breaks tend to slightly reset their infraction meters a bit but they wont be able to play hook or by crook for long.
Gutted that we're (most likely) losing Ospina as a part of the Cech transfer. Great bloke and very good keeper.
Would go crazy if Colombia bring out a reserve keeper for penalties. They've been playing for a draw the entire game, so I'd be bricking it if I'm Argentinian to see another keeper come out.
Wouldn't be fair. They did nothing but hit other people. The scum doesn't deserve shit. If they advance ok, but that doesn't make.it fair or good or anything.
1. James: worse penalty than women 2. Messi: little worse penalty than women 3. Falcao: better penalty than women 4. Garay: best penalty so far 5. Cuarado: little worse than women 6. Banega: same as women 7. Muriel: hahaha 8. Lavezzi: better than women 9. worse than women 10. worse than women 11. Zuniga: worse than women 12. Rojo: bad luck, but good penalty 13. wtf 14. Tevez: same as women
On June 27 2015 10:31 sharkie wrote: 1. James: worse penalty than women 2. Messi: little worse penalty than women 3. Falcao: better penalty than women 4. Garay: best penalty so far 5. Cuarado: little worse than women 6. Banega: same as women 7. Muriel: hahaha 8. Lavezzi: better than women 9. worse than women 10. worse than women 11. Zuniga: worse than women 12. Rojo: bad luck, but good penalty 13. wtf 14. Tevez: same as women
If you're not a confident penalty taker, just fuck all the psychology and make sure you just put it on target. Smashing it and getting it on target in those situations is fucking hard. Just roll it along the ground. You have to be a special kind of failure to mess that up.
On June 27 2015 10:43 NuclearJudas wrote: If you're not a confident penalty taker, just fuck all the psychology and make sure you just put it on target. Smashing it and getting it on target in those situations is fucking hard. Just roll it along the ground. You have to be a special kind of failure to mess that up.
On June 27 2015 10:39 NuclearJudas wrote: A metre off the line. Just strike the rule if it's to never be enforced.
LOL ROJO
I get what you're at but I thought I saw him only leave the line when the kick was taken, or was he early?
It wasn't super blatant, but he was off the line before the ball was kicked.
TBH on the coaching side they often tell you to smash it but keep it low because if you dont half decent keepers dont even need to gamble to save them.
Also the goal looks realllll small when a guy like Romero is standing in it. But Low and hard is optimal if you arent confident. Rolling always results in people trying to place it to compensate and then you just fudge it up.
On June 28 2015 02:33 BigFan wrote: That game was something then you had Argentina messing up two chances to win it all before finally taking the third chance.
Dunga definitely has made Brazil better lol. Much more well rounded team with the 11 he has on the pitch at the moment anyway. Surprised no hulk though but its working can't say anything
On June 28 2015 02:33 BigFan wrote: That game was something then you had Argentina messing up two chances to win it all before finally taking the third chance.
On June 28 2015 07:34 Pandemona wrote: Dunga definitely has made Brazil better lol. Much more well rounded team with the 11 he has on the pitch at the moment anyway. Surprised no hulk though but its working can't say anything
Dunga already made Brazil the best team in 2010, so it's not surprising what he can do in one year with the same team that got humiliated by Germany
On June 28 2015 08:05 soujiro_ wrote: in conmebol any yellow or bad call for brazil is
?
I have no idea either what he means by that either, Brazilian teams get constantly robbed at Libertadores, for fucks sake just last week a ref was suspended because Boca Juniors' president called his refereeing during a 2010 Boca x Corinthians game, in which two legal Corinthians' goals were not given, "our greatest help".
On June 28 2015 06:29 Pandemona wrote: Here we go then. Firmino hype xD Lets see if Brazil can improve from their last game. Also Happy Birthday Topin!!
On June 28 2015 08:05 soujiro_ wrote: in conmebol any yellow or bad call for brazil is
?
I have no idea either what he means by that either, Brazilian teams get constantly robbed at Libertadores, for fucks sake just last week a ref was suspended because Boca Juniors' president called his refereeing during a 2010 Boca x Corinthians game, in which two legal Corinthians' goals were not given, "our greatest help".
I'm really sure brazil rathers losing to Paraguay than Argentina. What I mean, I'm sure most of that squad doesn't even care about losing, they will forget it tomorrow.
Argentina is a different beast, even the most heartless Brazilian squad will play with gusto vs them. Also the games are usually fun, getting knocked out by Paraguay(no offense, they deserved to win during regular time today) is just sad
On June 28 2015 08:41 [Phantom] wrote: Neymar in a certain way has been lucky that he hasnt played when Brazil is eliminated so he doesn't get to share the blame of bad play.
On the other hand, with Neymar, Brazil would have played better.
On June 28 2015 08:42 dmnum wrote: Argentina is a different beast, even the most heartless Brazilian squad will play with gusto vs them. Also the games are usually fun, getting knocked out by Paraguay(no offense, they deserved to win during regular time today) is just sad
Honestly Dunga wouldve made it a pretty drab game and lined up with a bunch of defensive midfielders. Not that its the wrong strategy but for the neutral it would hardly be the classic Arg-Br game.
On June 28 2015 08:42 dmnum wrote: Argentina is a different beast, even the most heartless Brazilian squad will play with gusto vs them. Also the games are usually fun, getting knocked out by Paraguay(no offense, they deserved to win during regular time today) is just sad
Honestly Dunga wouldve made it a pretty drab game and lined up with a bunch of defensive midfielders. Not that its the wrong strategy but for the neutral it would hardly be the classic Arg-Br game.
Yeah but as a Brazilian even a stale game vs Argentina is exciting. Plus I'd care about the result, which hasn't been the case since the 7-1
Seriously theres no 11 players on Brazil better than those one or at least with a lot more desired ? I mean, im dead sure i could find 11 players wtih a lot more blood and hunger for wins
Robinho its on the tail end of his carreer and was the only one doing something, alongside Alves.
On June 28 2015 08:41 [Phantom] wrote: Neymar in a certain way has been lucky that he hasnt played when Brazil is eliminated so he doesn't get to share the blame of bad play.
That shouldn't be the attitude though. For a player at Neymar's level, also the captain of the team, he has a responsibility to the team to conduct himself well and not get suspended, and also to try and protect himself from injuries. He can't be blamed for getting injured at the world cup, but if the Brazilian media need to find a scapegoat for their exit, it should definitely be Neymar, whose irresponsibility despite Dunga showing faith in him and naming him captain ahead of Thiago Silva, has cost them.
On June 30 2015 04:44 TzaTzers wrote: Sounds good to me, bans take place after the tournament? I want to keep rooting for Peru once they make it to the finals
After the games. You won't be able to root for Peru's 3rd place match.
On June 30 2015 04:44 TzaTzers wrote: Sounds good to me, bans take place after the tournament? I want to keep rooting for Peru once they make it to the finals
After the games. You won't be able to root for Peru's 3rd place match.
Lol well ofcourse not, FIFA is a joke organization with joke rules so of course the host that has gotten away with everything is gonna win. I know this is all in fun time but damn im upset at the fact at that stupid ass player.
On June 30 2015 04:44 TzaTzers wrote: Sounds good to me, bans take place after the tournament? I want to keep rooting for Peru once they make it to the finals
After the games. You won't be able to root for Peru's 3rd place match.
Lol well ofcourse not, FIFA is a joke organization with joke rules so of course the host that has gotten away with everything is gonna win. I know this is all in fun time but damn im upset at the fact at that stupid ass player.
What? Chile has crushed all their opponents so far, has the biggest posessionof the ball and is the team that has scored most goals. A referee missing something on the pitch doesn't mean it's rigged to favor the host, if that players gets suspended afterwards. Specially considering that kind of dirty grabbing happens all the time and could have easily been ignored.
Also lol Uruguayans.
At 1 min mark, you can see Suarez gets to grab the ball only because another uruguayan player missed it with his hands. Back then they all basically said "it's football" but now they are all major butthurt girls crying foul.
On June 30 2015 04:44 TzaTzers wrote: Sounds good to me, bans take place after the tournament? I want to keep rooting for Peru once they make it to the finals
After the games. You won't be able to root for Peru's 3rd place match.
Lol well ofcourse not, FIFA is a joke organization with joke rules so of course the host that has gotten away with everything is gonna win. I know this is all in fun time but damn im upset at the fact at that stupid ass player.
What? Chile has crushed all their opponents so far, has the biggest posessionof the ball and is the team that has scored most goals. A referee missing something on the pitch doesn't mean it's rigged to favor the host, if that players gets suspended afterwards. Specially considering that kind of dirty grabbing happens all the time and could have easily been ignored.
At 1 min mark, you can see Suarez gets to grab the ball only because another uruguayan player missed it with his hands. Back then they all basically said "it's football" but now they are all major butthurt girls crying foul.
Well yeah Chile has not been getting any favor, they look like the best team at the moment.
But that Suarez moment was actually genius if you think about it.
It may be dishonest but its not like he escaped punishment. He got sent off and Ghana got a penalty. I dont see how it differs from any other denying of a goal scoring opportunity other than it was perhaps more blatant. He didnt get an advantage he just saved the game. I would do the same. Ghana still had it to lose and they did.
Not quite the same case here, Jarra eventually did not get away with it but he got Cavani sent off through his actions so it was actually in a way worse since justice was not swift and Chile got the advantage in the game. Yes he is suspended now which is good but you see my point?
The fact that you are passing off someone fingering Cavani in the ass as "dirty grabbing" is a bit crass.
So instead of pointing fingers (excuse the pun) because everyone can do that. Just let stupid comments like that go.
On June 30 2015 04:44 TzaTzers wrote: Sounds good to me, bans take place after the tournament? I want to keep rooting for Peru once they make it to the finals
After the games. You won't be able to root for Peru's 3rd place match.
Lol well ofcourse not, FIFA is a joke organization with joke rules so of course the host that has gotten away with everything is gonna win. I know this is all in fun time but damn im upset at the fact at that stupid ass player.
What? Chile has crushed all their opponents so far, has the biggest posessionof the ball and is the team that has scored most goals. A referee missing something on the pitch doesn't mean it's rigged to favor the host, if that players gets suspended afterwards. Specially considering that kind of dirty grabbing happens all the time and could have easily been ignored.
At 1 min mark, you can see Suarez gets to grab the ball only because another uruguayan player missed it with his hands. Back then they all basically said "it's football" but now they are all major butthurt girls crying foul.
Well yeah Chile has not been getting any favor, they look like the best team at the moment.
But that Suarez moment was actually genius if you think about it.
It may be dishonest but its not like he escaped punishment. He got sent off and Ghana got a penalty. I dont see how it differs from any other denying of a goal scoring opportunity other than it was perhaps more blatant. He didnt get an advantage he just saved the game. I would do the same. Ghana still had it to lose and they did.
Not quite the same case here, Jarra eventually did not get away with it but he got Cavani sent off through his actions so it was actually in a way worse since justice was not swift and Chile got the advantage in the game. Yes he is suspended now which is good but you see my point?
The fact that you are passing off someone fingering Cavani in the ass as "dirty grabbing" is a bit crass.
So instead of pointing fingers (excuse the pun) because everyone can do that. Just let stupid comments like that go.
Yeah I agree with you, I was rooting for Uruguay on that game and I'm 100% ok with what happened. My problem is with Uruguay's national team online whining this last few days. Devil selling crosses.
Like, had Jara done that against Germany or something I would understand the outrage, but what Jara did is Uruguay's football 101. Or Argentina's for that matter.
Ok, enough with it, I'm leaving to watch the game.
On June 30 2015 08:58 Painmaker wrote: Fair red card.
Huh? He clears the ball and pulls back. Pulling back means intent is out and only leaves recklessness, there's an argument for a caution but a straight red?
On June 30 2015 08:58 Painmaker wrote: Fair red card.
Huh? He clears the ball and pulls back. Pulling back means intent is out and only leaves recklessness, there's an argument for a caution but a straight red?
I don't see pulling back. You can definitely avoid kicking a cleat into someone's back there if you want to.
I mean, it's not like the referee is blatantly helping Chile, it's just the little things piling up. The Vidal yellow card, the Albornoz foul from behind with no ball. The off-side is hard to see but is still there. Don't have anything to say about that red card tho.
On June 30 2015 08:58 Painmaker wrote: Fair red card.
Huh? He clears the ball and pulls back. Pulling back means intent is out and only leaves recklessness, there's an argument for a caution but a straight red?
I don't see pulling back. You can definitely avoid kicking a cleat into someone's back there if you want to.
Leg is fully outstreched when he clears the ball and he tries to pull it back toward him to avoid/lessen the contact.
Edit: so the Bein crew just agreed that it was intentional, apparently I'm wrong but I can't really see it.
As for the goal, I thought the first player made contact before it went to the post, but apparently that is wrong as well. At least you can see why the assistant might have chosen not to flag it.
On June 30 2015 08:58 Painmaker wrote: Fair red card.
Huh? He clears the ball and pulls back. Pulling back means intent is out and only leaves recklessness, there's an argument for a caution but a straight red?
I don't see pulling back. You can definitely avoid kicking a cleat into someone's back there if you want to.
Leg is fully outstreched when he clears the ball and he tries to pull it back toward him to avoid/lessen the contact.
I don't even understand why he's kicking with cleats so exposed like that. A normal follow through would be toes down. It's not like it's hard to point your toes down when you see there's a player in front of you. Instead he stomps down on the back with the cleats still pointing at the back.
Peru's aeriel threat will keep this game on as long as they don't give up another. Chile's team is really short.
On June 30 2015 08:58 Painmaker wrote: Fair red card.
Huh? He clears the ball and pulls back. Pulling back means intent is out and only leaves recklessness, there's an argument for a caution but a straight red?
I don't see pulling back. You can definitely avoid kicking a cleat into someone's back there if you want to.
Leg is fully outstreched when he clears the ball and he tries to pull it back toward him to avoid/lessen the contact.
I don't even understand why he's kicking with cleats so exposed like that. A normal follow through would be toes down. It's not like it's hard to point your toes down when you see there's a player in front of you. Instead he stomps down on the back with the cleats still pointing at the back.
Peru's aeriel threat will keep this game on as long as they don't give up another. Chile's team is really short.
On June 30 2015 11:14 Faruko wrote: That was the a stupidly nervewracking game, ffs...
I have to applaud Peru game, even with 10 they managed to put so much pressure in, game was pretty bad from Chile... Thank god for that Zambrano guy
yeah i wonder why Chile didnt played liketheir other matches. they didnt attack as much as vs Uruguay or in the group stages
Peru is way better than Uruguay, Gareca has been NT coach for only what ? 6 months ? He created a very well balanced team. i always thought that besides Chile and Argentina, Peru was deff the best team this CA... And hopefully for the good of SA football this is a step for Peru to comeback to older times, a country with a refined quality of football.
Peru was also playing better 11v11 and unlike Uruguay they tried to control the ball and attack, from the stadium you could easily see how organized was Peru's movement, they looked like a block. What a player is Guerrero also, what a player.
Untill the red card, which pretty much gave us the ticket to the final.
Russia 2018 qualifiers will be sick if most teams can keep their performance.
Lionel Messi claimed after Friday's Argentina-Colombia game that the referee shot down his complaints about roughhouse treatment, reminding him that they were in South America, not Europe.
"I asked him about a couple of incidents and he said 'This is South America and this is how the game is played here'. I guess they [referees] call the shots on the pitch and they choose what to allow", Messi said after his country's penalty shootout win over the 'Cafeteros' in the Copa América quarter-finals. The official in question, the Mexican Roberto García Orozco, showed eight yellow cards during what was a hard-fought encounter in Viña del Mar. Messi was among those booked.
On July 01 2015 10:11 Boucot wrote: Well, as much as I wanted Argentina to be in the final, 6-1 is a harsh score for Paraguay. They didn't play that bad.
They sorta gave up after 4-1. You could see the energy and the organization fall apart.
On July 04 2015 08:38 GizmoPT wrote: i know no one cares but 3rd place match is happening... ye thats a thing
I think world cup 3rd place match is important, specially for smaller countries. But this is just lame, specially with people chanting for Chile tomorrow
Always thought 3rd and 4th place games are literally a silly thing. You are playing for the wooden spoon literally. Losing in the semi finals is bad enough, to have to play another game after it is just silly.
On July 04 2015 20:46 Pandemona wrote: Always thought 3rd and 4th place games are literally a silly thing. You are playing for the wooden spoon literally. Losing in the semi finals is bad enough, to have to play another game after it is just silly.
It has sense in the olympics where countries fight for gold, silver and bronze medals. But in worlcups and such it is worthless.
$20 million – Fourth placed team $22 million – Third placed team
and to be complete
The winners of this year's Copa America should receive $4 million in prize money, the runners-up $3 million (£1.91 million) and the third and fourth-placed teams $2 million and $1 million respectively.
On July 05 2015 05:58 ZapRoffo wrote: If this were in UEFA I think Chile would have had about 5 yellows and a red already.
If this were Uefa Chile wouldn't play this crazily aggressive/violent. I'm okay with the general decisions and although Chile could have deserved more cards, so does Argentina.
Damn could have been penalty that. Demichelis didn't foul i dont think but his tackle (didnt touch ball) and whoever it was dragging the arm of vidal back was the foul. Guess is a huge ass call for something small in a final so fair enough!
On July 05 2015 06:45 Pandemona wrote: Damn could have been penalty that. Demichelis didn't foul i dont think but his tackle (didnt touch ball) and whoever it was dragging the arm of vidal back was the foul. Guess is a huge ass call for something small in a final so fair enough!
The way the ref's called the game he really can't call that.
Chile has so much energy. Messi, I dunno what's up with him.
On July 05 2015 06:45 Pandemona wrote: Damn could have been penalty that. Demichelis didn't foul i dont think but his tackle (didnt touch ball) and whoever it was dragging the arm of vidal back was the foul. Guess is a huge ass call for something small in a final so fair enough!
The way the ref's called the game he really can't call that.
Chile has so much energy. Messi, I dunno what's up with him.
Messi's teammates don't seem to be making the plays :/ Chile definitely has the upper hand here.
On July 05 2015 06:45 Pandemona wrote: Damn could have been penalty that. Demichelis didn't foul i dont think but his tackle (didnt touch ball) and whoever it was dragging the arm of vidal back was the foul. Guess is a huge ass call for something small in a final so fair enough!
The way the ref's called the game he really can't call that.
Chile has so much energy. Messi, I dunno what's up with him.
Messi's teammates don't seem to be making the plays :/ Chile definitely has the upper hand here.
And Messi somehow manage to play even worse than his teammates.
On July 05 2015 06:45 Pandemona wrote: Damn could have been penalty that. Demichelis didn't foul i dont think but his tackle (didnt touch ball) and whoever it was dragging the arm of vidal back was the foul. Guess is a huge ass call for something small in a final so fair enough!
The way the ref's called the game he really can't call that.
Chile has so much energy. Messi, I dunno what's up with him.
Messi's teammates don't seem to be making the plays :/ Chile definitely has the upper hand here.
I feel like he could do more to find the ball by a lot though.
On July 05 2015 06:45 Pandemona wrote: Damn could have been penalty that. Demichelis didn't foul i dont think but his tackle (didnt touch ball) and whoever it was dragging the arm of vidal back was the foul. Guess is a huge ass call for something small in a final so fair enough!
The way the ref's called the game he really can't call that.
Chile has so much energy. Messi, I dunno what's up with him.
Messi's teammates don't seem to be making the plays :/ Chile definitely has the upper hand here.
And Messi somehow manage to play even worse than his teammates.
I dunno, that last Messi pass before the offside was brilliant.
On July 05 2015 07:02 FranzF1 wrote: VAMOS CHILE CTM!!!
C H I CHI L E LE CHI CHI CHI LE LE LE VIVA CHILE!!!!!!
Sorry but I'm so freaking hyped
we'll see how hyped you are once Argentina scores a goal first
Argentina hasn't looked once like they were close to score, even the last chance with biggest defensive brainfart from Chile they played it very poorly.
On July 05 2015 06:59 ZapRoffo wrote: Tevez would have gotten there though.
who knows. It was really close and for all we know, it might've even been an own goal, happens.
On July 05 2015 07:02 FranzF1 wrote: VAMOS CHILE CTM!!!
C H I CHI L E LE CHI CHI CHI LE LE LE VIVA CHILE!!!!!!
Sorry but I'm so freaking hyped
we'll see how hyped you are once Argentina scores a goal first
Argentina hasn't looked once like they were close to score, even the last chance with biggest defensive brainfart from Chile they played it very poorly.
let me live in my delusional thoughts! I don't think Argentina should be counted out at all. Go Argentina!
On July 05 2015 07:51 sharkie wrote: Nothing is funnier than watching Messi play for Argentina. The lack of Steveling posts already tells enough ^^
Dont think he couldve done much more. He got hacked down everytime he got the ball. Its a team game after all.
Tata is a garbage manager tbh. Totally clueless and super negative. Doesnt know how to manage the flow of a game at all. In a game where its all hustle and toughness you leave out Tevez and get on Higuain for Aguero.
People like Pastore are useless in these kinds of games aswell he didnt identify where they were losing or didnt do anything about it if he did.
To Chile's credit they played well above themselves.
Messi is nowhere near the player he is for Barça when he plays for Argentina. Call it whatever you want, he just on a completely different level. Obviously he has glimpses of the genius he is, but yea Argentina's Messi would never be the best player in the world. Grats Chile. Yet another disappointing showing from Messi in a final for Argenitna.
Messi was good this tournament, but nowhere near the level of play he displays on Barça. The team might not be as good and he might be hacked more than other players, but at the end of the day unless he wins something he'll be remembered as the possibly most skilled player to ever play for a club and a huge disappointment on the national level.
On July 05 2015 08:00 dmnum wrote: Messi was good this tournament, but nowhere near the level of play he displays on Barça. The team might not be as good and he might be hacked more than other players, but at the end of the day unless he wins something he'll be remembered as the possibly most skilled player to ever play for a club and a huge disappointment on the national level.
Well huge disappointment for Argentinians and retractors I guess. Most people dont really care if Argentina wins or loses something at the international level.
Still he has had his best chances to win something and it hasnt happened so that criticism will always be there.
Messi will never ever be as good for Argentina as he is for Barca, I dont even understand how that can be an expectation.
As for how good he would be on other teams. Speculative BS is kinda pointless you just rate what you have available and in that respect its pretty straightforward. How good would he be at Burnely ? Probably not as good duh...
On July 05 2015 08:00 dmnum wrote: Messi was good this tournament, but nowhere near the level of play he displays on Barça. The team might not be as good and he might be hacked more than other players, but at the end of the day unless he wins something he'll be remembered as the possibly most skilled player to ever play for a club and a huge disappointment on the national level.
I disagree because national competitions are not as important as they once were. Copa America means nothing, its as useless as that FIFA world club championship, for example. But yea on a personal opinion it makes me question more and more how great Messi is. Barça suits him perfectly and he suits Barça perfectly, but I question how impressive would he be playing for another club. It's a different player, playing in a different position and a lot less succesful.
-edit- I'd have loved if Messi had won the WC in 2014 and being the best player, it would be fucking awesome and we Brazilians would probably stop praising Pele like an alien that can't be compared to other players.
On July 05 2015 08:00 dmnum wrote: Messi was good this tournament, but nowhere near the level of play he displays on Barça. The team might not be as good and he might be hacked more than other players, but at the end of the day unless he wins something he'll be remembered as the possibly most skilled player to ever play for a club and a huge disappointment on the national level.
Well huge disappointment for Argentinians and retractors I guess. Most people dont really care if Argentina wins or loses.
What's your point, exactly? If he played badly for Barcelona only Barcelona and Messi's fans would care as well.
On July 05 2015 08:00 dmnum wrote: Messi was good this tournament, but nowhere near the level of play he displays on Barça. The team might not be as good and he might be hacked more than other players, but at the end of the day unless he wins something he'll be remembered as the possibly most skilled player to ever play for a club and a huge disappointment on the national level.
Well huge disappointment for Argentinians and retractors I guess. Most people dont really care if Argentina wins or loses.
What's your point, exactly? If he played badly for Barcelona only Barcelona and Messi's fans would care.
No alot more people would care because neutrals enjoy watching him way more week in week out. A national tournament isnt high quality anyway so most people didnt even watch it here in north America or southern / east asia (the latter of which is more viewership than the rest of the world combined)
CL finals all the bars are jam packed. Same for league games. Copa America half the country didnt even know it was today.
On July 05 2015 08:00 dmnum wrote: Messi was good this tournament, but nowhere near the level of play he displays on Barça. The team might not be as good and he might be hacked more than other players, but at the end of the day unless he wins something he'll be remembered as the possibly most skilled player to ever play for a club and a huge disappointment on the national level.
Well huge disappointment for Argentinians and retractors I guess. Most people dont really care if Argentina wins or loses.
What's your point, exactly? If he played badly for Barcelona only Barcelona and Messi's fans would care.
No alot more people would care because neutrals enjoy watching him way more week in week out. A national tournament isnt high quality anyway so most people didnt even watch it here in north America or southern/ east asia
CL finals all the bars are jam packed. Same for league games. Copa America half the country didnt even know it was today.
You're right, Copa America doesn't mean much, but he failed to be the same Messi during the World Cup as well(he was still damn good, though). Also neutrals on a club level can still be fans of players. Now, if you're a crazy Cristiano Ronaldo fan you're probably not going to care that much if Messi plays well or badly as long as Cristiano plays better.
He's still the best player I've watched by FAR and he's mesmerizing to watch whenever he plays for Barcelona and some(few)times when he plays for Argentina(he scored an amazing goal on Brazil during a friendly), and he's definitely the best player ever, but I have my doubts about whether or not he's the GOAT. But that's a discussion that has been done to death, and like I said I'm not sure if he is - or isn't - the GOAT so I don't think it's a good choice to go down that road.
On July 05 2015 08:00 dmnum wrote: Messi was good this tournament, but nowhere near the level of play he displays on Barça. The team might not be as good and he might be hacked more than other players, but at the end of the day unless he wins something he'll be remembered as the possibly most skilled player to ever play for a club and a huge disappointment on the national level.
Well huge disappointment for Argentinians and retractors I guess. Most people dont really care if Argentina wins or loses.
What's your point, exactly? If he played badly for Barcelona only Barcelona and Messi's fans would care.
No alot more people would care because neutrals enjoy watching him way more week in week out. A national tournament isnt high quality anyway so most people didnt even watch it here in north America or southern/ east asia
CL finals all the bars are jam packed. Same for league games. Copa America half the country didnt even know it was today.
You're right, Copa America doesn't mean much, but he failed to be the same Messi during the World Cup as well(he was still damn good, though). Also neutrals on a club level can still be fans of players. Now, if you're a crazy Cristiano Ronaldo fan you're probably not going to care that much if Messi plays well or badly as long as Cristiano plays better.
He's still the best player I've watched by FAR and he's mesmerizing to watch whenever he plays for Barcelona and some(few)times when he plays for Argentina(he scored an amazing goal on Brazil during a friendly), and he's definitely the best player ever, but I have my doubts about whether or not he's the GOAT. But that's a discussion that has been done to death, and like I said I'm not sure if this(but also not sure if he isn't) so I don't think it's a good choice to go down that road.
International competitions are still incredibly important, despite the narratives some people push. People throwing out the "well international competitions don't matter anyway" tend to use it as an excuse to trivialize instances where good players perform poorly at the international level.
The fact is that Messi hasn't been able to step up and be as good for Argentina as he is for Barca. There are a bajillion different reasons for this, but it's just the truth, and it means that there will always be holes in the "Messi = GOAT" argument until he does otherwise.
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