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On June 05 2015 12:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
1 of the big problems with tendonitis is that you have to rest a lot. the rest weakens all those tiny stabilizer muscles and it just becomes a vicious downward cycle. because weak stabilizer muscles lead to susceptability to other injuries.
Not really. It's more that it doesn't ever really 'heal' it just stops being inflamed, and then after a bit of activity it's right back to being highly inflamed and painful, and then you react and compensate which can lead to injuring other things. Muscles take farrrrrrr longer to atrophy(a non-negligible amount) than a week.
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On June 05 2015 12:49 AgentW wrote:17-37. Not entirely his fault, but that's exactly what GS wants.
Out of 37, it seems to me that 35 or so were ISOs.
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On June 05 2015 12:46 AgentW wrote:No kidding. Injured lower body? How about you limp your way all the way back to Cleveland!
Haven't you ever heard the saying "walk it off? It works.
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On June 05 2015 12:51 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 12:49 AgentW wrote:On June 05 2015 12:48 Roggay wrote:
How many shots did James took this game? 17-37. Not entirely his fault, but that's exactly what GS wants. Out of 37, it seems to me that 35 or so were ISOs.
Yeah. I was thinking this before the series but this seems to point towards it as well: I'm concerned LeBron might not win another title because there's clear cronyism going on in Cleveland. I like Thompson because he knows his lane, but Miller, Jones, and Marion? That combined with LeBron not wanting to play the 4 and their coach doesn't seem to have a spine, and it's a recipe for disaster. No one wants to tell him no. It's nothing like Miami.
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On June 05 2015 12:50 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 12:49 Dreamer.T wrote:
Yeah this is over. OT was just completely not good for the Cavs. In the span of an hour, I went from "this may look moderately competitive and go to 6" to "this is looking like a sweep".
Yeah same. It was looking like a finals for the ages. Now we see Cleveland's huge flaw with that overtime performance. They just run out of steam with GS's defense and their shooting ability, and obviously Kyrie is looking like he's going to be MIA for the rest of the series.
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On June 05 2015 12:50 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 12:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
1 of the big problems with tendonitis is that you have to rest a lot. the rest weakens all those tiny stabilizer muscles and it just becomes a vicious downward cycle. because weak stabilizer muscles lead to susceptability to other injuries. Not really. It's more that it doesn't ever really 'heal' it just stops being inflamed, and then after a bit of activity it's right back to being highly inflamed and painful, and then you react and compensate which can lead to injuring other things. Muscles take farrrrrrr longer to atrophy(a non-negligible amount) than a week.
"doesn't ever really heal"
tendons heal slowly, but they do heal... new collagen fibre grow and link and crosslink. the problem is the first collagen fibres crosslink and are not as flexible. eventually though, in a process not fully understood the colllagen fibres align and the tendon returns to its pre-injury flexibility.
tendons take longer to heal due to much lower circulation than a muscle and other structures in the human body.
as i've already stated in many posts i never thought Irving would play the entire series injury free.
Irving has not played this many minutes in more than 2 weeks and his muscles are not the same.
ur muscles will begin to go downhill after 7 days... only a small amount, but when playing a strenuous game at this level that is all it takes.
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Cavs played a lot better than I thought they would, at least until the OT.
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On the bright side I'm glad I threw 150 on the Dubs 
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On June 05 2015 12:53 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 12:51 Roggay wrote:On June 05 2015 12:49 AgentW wrote:On June 05 2015 12:48 Roggay wrote:
How many shots did James took this game? 17-37. Not entirely his fault, but that's exactly what GS wants. Out of 37, it seems to me that 35 or so were ISOs. .... there's clear cronyism going on in Cleveland. ...and it's a recipe for disaster. No one wants to tell him no. It's nothing like Miami.
interesting point.
a lot of championship teams have total asshole, prick, dickface, jerks running the show.
i'm looking at you gregg popovich.
that aside,
i'm a big fan of professional distance between workers and each management layer.
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So what's the general opinion on Game 1? I forgot it was on and went to pick up a pizza for dinner and the place was packed with customers, all eyes glued to the TV screens on the walls, loud and lively as ever. I look up at one of the screens and it's 98-98 in overtime, 4 minutes to go (I'm in the Bay Area so everyone's all about the Warriors). Seemed pretty exciting to me, but reading back through the thread it seems like it might have been a bunch of blunders. Thoughts on the game overall?
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James fuel can't melt Steph dreams.
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On June 05 2015 13:18 Excalibur_Z wrote:
So what's the general opinion on Game 1? I forgot it was on and went to pick up a pizza for dinner and the place was packed with customers, all eyes glued to the TV screens on the walls, loud and lively as ever. I look up at one of the screens and it's 98-98 in overtime, 4 minutes to go (I'm in the Bay Area so everyone's all about the Warriors). Seemed pretty exciting to me, but reading back through the thread it seems like it might have been a bunch of blunders. Thoughts on the game overall?
01. Cavs dominated the board as expected
02. GSW adjusted in the second quarter but still struggled to get into usual GSW shooting/scoring rhythm
03. Irving in beast mode, Curry ok-ish, far from MVP-level performance
04. GSW letting James iso as expected, James practically had his way in the post
05- Iguodala putting up great defense vs. James and providing spark
06. GSW depth kept the game competitive
07. Cavs role players were a no-show
08. Up until the 4Q, game was up for grabs, with Cavs having slight advantage due to James and Irving
09. Irving injury. GG Cavs
10. GSW ate Cavs in Irving-less OT.
Bold prediction: GSW sweep Cavs 4-0
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"to see him walking out of the locker room on crutches is tough", James regarding Irving.
it looked bad when it happened and this comment is no reason for optimism.
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On June 05 2015 12:49 oneofthem wrote:
kind of intrigued by cavs with love vs gs now
With Love its a much more difficult matchup. If Blatt isn't stupid, the Cavs would mix in operating with Love in the high post as the ball handler with Lebron centered plays. Golden State would have massive, massive problems with Green/Bogut on the court when Mozgov/Love play.
On June 05 2015 12:56 Dreamer.T wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 12:50 AgentW wrote:On June 05 2015 12:49 Dreamer.T wrote:
Yeah this is over. OT was just completely not good for the Cavs. In the span of an hour, I went from "this may look moderately competitive and go to 6" to "this is looking like a sweep". Yeah same. It was looking like a finals for the ages. Now we see Cleveland's huge flaw with that overtime performance. They just run out of steam with GS's defense and their shooting ability, and obviously Kyrie is looking like he's going to be MIA for the rest of the series.
I actually thought the regulation confirmed GS in 5 for me. Cleveland's only chance was relying on OREBs, and to a lesser extent a ton of turnovers to beat GS. They aren't better on either side of the ball - they need as many possessions as possible, with GS having far less to win.
The Cavs were dominating on the Offensive Boards while the Warriors were content with letting Lebron Iso vs Iggy which is a win for GS. Other than Kyrie Irving sightings the only thing that surprised me was the Cavs defensive level. Even then it was only a matter of time before Draymond Green got to play and the Cavs would get murdered. That almost happened. I think Game 2 (with or w/o Kyrie) is going to be a disaster for the Cavs.
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On June 05 2015 12:59 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 12:50 red_ wrote:On June 05 2015 12:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
1 of the big problems with tendonitis is that you have to rest a lot. the rest weakens all those tiny stabilizer muscles and it just becomes a vicious downward cycle. because weak stabilizer muscles lead to susceptability to other injuries. Not really. It's more that it doesn't ever really 'heal' it just stops being inflamed, and then after a bit of activity it's right back to being highly inflamed and painful, and then you react and compensate which can lead to injuring other things. Muscles take farrrrrrr longer to atrophy(a non-negligible amount) than a week. "doesn't ever really heal" tendons heal slowly, but they do heal... new collagen fibre grow and link and crosslink. the problem is the first collagen fibres crosslink and are not as flexible. eventually though, in a process not fully understood the colllagen fibres align and the tendon returns to its pre-injury flexibility. tendons take longer to heal due to much lower circulation than a muscle and other structures in the human body. as i've already stated in many posts i never thought Irving would play the entire series injury free. Irving has not played this many minutes in more than 2 weeks and his muscles are not the same. ur muscles will begin to go downhill after 7 days... only a small amount, but when playing a strenuous game at this level that is all it takes.
I'm a Physical Therapist by profession, I know how tendonitis works. My statement about it not really healing is with regards to the short time frame being discussed. There is no 'healing' of tendonitis in 8 days(at least, not of any tendonitis bad enough to hold a professional athlete out of multiple playoff games), there is only a relaxing of the inflammation.
Irving has not played in a professional game, but he has definitely gone through therapy/rehabilitation movements, and has been practicing. Muscle atrophy is not at all in play here. What is in play is that 8 days is not nearly long enough to have any significant healing with regards to severe tendonitis, and after 44 minutes of maximum effort(well, definitely before the 44th minute) his tendon was extremely inflamed and the pain was incredible because the repetition of basketball will do that. It has absolutely nothing to do with supportive muscle groups until he begins to compensate for his damaged knee, which is certainly a concern, but not related to "muscles going downhill."
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irving's activity levels decreased for a month due to this injury. not 8 days.
according to my orthopod and physiotherapist feeling pain weakens the body's ability to contract the muscles as hard as when pain free. this is a sub conscious response and part of the whole favouring the injured area and compensating for the ijured area. over the course of a month ( Irving has been battling this 1 month not 8 days) this weakens the associated muscles. and you end up with reciprocal causation and the downward spiral i brought up. based upon my experience with tendonitis and the advice of my doc and physio i think they are correct.
the rest of this is speculation piled upon speculation at this point. even the 8 day thing. Irving has had a decreased activity level for 1 month.. he played 1 time in 15 days for just 22 minutes. how do we know any and all healing that occurred before that game on May 26th was reset to 0.
please note that my original viewpoint was that the tendonitis would come back so most of this stuff about tendonitis is u preaching to the choir.
on a lighter note.
in a new book by Kent Babb : Iverson's 2002 "Practice" rant occurred while he was drunk.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13011685/new-book-says-former-philadelphia-76ers-star-allen-iverson-was-drunk-practice-rant
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I thought the Cavs looked good in regulation. They were gased in OT (well, James was, understandably), but I wouldn't sweat it going forward. The obvious real problem is Irving, this is not looking good, and they certainly can't do it without him.
On June 05 2015 14:16 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 12:49 oneofthem wrote:
kind of intrigued by cavs with love vs gs now With Love its a much more difficult matchup. If Blatt isn't stupid, the Cavs would mix in operating with Love in the high post as the ball handler with Lebron centered plays. Golden State would have massive, massive problems with Green/Bogut on the court when Mozgov/Love play. Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 12:56 Dreamer.T wrote:On June 05 2015 12:50 AgentW wrote:On June 05 2015 12:49 Dreamer.T wrote:
Yeah this is over. OT was just completely not good for the Cavs. In the span of an hour, I went from "this may look moderately competitive and go to 6" to "this is looking like a sweep". Yeah same. It was looking like a finals for the ages. Now we see Cleveland's huge flaw with that overtime performance. They just run out of steam with GS's defense and their shooting ability, and obviously Kyrie is looking like he's going to be MIA for the rest of the series. I actually thought the regulation confirmed GS in 5 for me. Cleveland's only chance was relying on OREBs, and to a lesser extent a ton of turnovers to beat GS. They aren't better on either side of the ball - they need as many possessions as possible, with GS having far less to win. The Cavs were dominating on the Offensive Boards while the Warriors were content with letting Lebron Iso vs Iggy which is a win for GS. Other than Kyrie Irving sightings the only thing that surprised me was the Cavs defensive level. Even then it was only a matter of time before Draymond Green got to play and the Cavs would get murdered. That almost happened. I think Game 2 (with or w/o Kyrie) is going to be a disaster for the Cavs.
I don't know if your analysis is based on gut feeling or numbers, but Cleveland had no "only chance". Both teams were pretty evenly matched up in every facet of the stat sheet...
2 more offensive rebounds and 1 less turnover are not things I would qualify as "only chances", because if they are, it's pretty much admitting that the teams are quite close already. And also, 39/94 (Cleveland) and 39/88 (GS) is still pretty close. That's not "far less" shots.
The real issues are in James having to do too much (he's doing it very well, but he can't do it many games in a row), the bench doing too little. I would still agree with your "GS in 5", but not for the reasons you mentioned. Regulation doesn't support that for me, but Irving being hurt pretty much seals it. Maybe a sweep even.
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