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On June 19 2015 18:07 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 05:37 ticklishmusic wrote:
Also, the Spurs pretty much revolutionized how the game was played in last year's finals with their passing. IIRC passes increased by like 4% this season. Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 06:02 Jerubaal wrote:
I wouldn't say they revolutionized it, but there was a monkey-see, monkey-do affect. All of these ideas have been around for a while. It just takes some time to perfect them. I think the real winner this year was a team full of 2-way players. The real winner is Mike D'Antoni. That's about...4 years running now his offensive principles have lead to a championship.
The difference for me is that people could twist the narrative about the Spurs and Heat, with Duncan and Lebron's presence. The Warriors leave no doubt about what kind of team they are and what type of offense they are running.
The Rockets, Hawks, Clippers and Cavs shot a lot of 3s this year as well. With the Warriors, that was the top 5 in attempts. But you can bet that if the Warriors lost to one of these teams, people like Barkley would start narratives about how 3-point jump shooting teams can't win a championship. Their defense was pretty overlooked all season, too, because of how they ran their offense.
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On June 20 2015 00:15 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 18:07 Ace wrote:On June 19 2015 05:37 ticklishmusic wrote:
Also, the Spurs pretty much revolutionized how the game was played in last year's finals with their passing. IIRC passes increased by like 4% this season. On June 19 2015 06:02 Jerubaal wrote:
I wouldn't say they revolutionized it, but there was a monkey-see, monkey-do affect. All of these ideas have been around for a while. It just takes some time to perfect them. I think the real winner this year was a team full of 2-way players. The real winner is Mike D'Antoni. That's about...4 years running now his offensive principles have lead to a championship. The difference for me is that people could twist the narrative about the Spurs and Heat, with Duncan and Lebron's presence. The Warriors leave no doubt about what kind of team they are and what type of offense they are running. The Rockets, Hawks, Clippers and Cavs shot a lot of 3s this year as well. With the Warriors, that was the top 5 in attempts. But you can bet that if the Warriors lost to one of these teams, people like Barkley would start narratives about how 3-point jump shooting teams can't win a championship. Their defense was pretty overlooked all season, too, because of how they ran their offense.
Sadly D'Antoni won't get the credit... he had the idea but just couldn't do it himself. Needed better coaches to make his style succeed! 
Also, all the key players from the D'Antoni era Suns have now won titles except for Nash/Amare. #RIP (Barbosa, Marion, Diaw)
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Because D'antoni invented all of this by himself, right?
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On June 20 2015 01:02 Jerubaal wrote:
Because D'antoni invented all of this by himself, right?
He's the first to implement the style. I'm sure other people 'invented' it. I.E. Phil Jackson didn't invent the triangle, but he's the first to utilize it on that type of a stage and find success with it
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On June 20 2015 01:02 Jerubaal wrote:
Because D'antoni invented all of this by himself, right?
well, no one really understood how to abuse the PnR with short corner 3s until he showed up and broke league records. It wasn't until San Antonio got killed by it, repeatedly, that the league *really* took notice.
Of course, Pop took everything he was getting destroyed by and after 2008 San Antonio is reborn as D'Antoni's offense. A few years later they finally get multiple ball handlers in the offense and run wild.
Miami just took it a different way, and tried to really stay in transition offense (although they killed everyone in the half court with their Big 3 anyway). they had the luxury of drive and kicks AND posting up non-bigs to make help defenses have to bend.
Spo, Pop, Gentry all have said numerous times how important D'Antoni was to their offenses.
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I don't know what 'the style' is, though. Was it the three point shooting? The fast pace? The quick passes? The screens? What was it that he was criticized for doing? The threes maybe?
He did get a lot of flak for the defense, and, although some have argued it was good when adjusted for pace, it wasn't enough to stand up to the likes of the Spurs.
I feel like we're treating the D'Antoni Suns like they treat the Triangle, some sort of rare artifact instead of particular collection of principles. I'll give D'Antoni credit for helping to make a quantum leap in basketball philosophy, but he he's a flashpoint and he made a combination that works. That doesn't mean he made a "design" that everyone else will stick to to a T. The idea was being evolved in many forms even at that time. The Spurs, for instance, were starting to take more 3s at the same time. D'Antoni made the most stylistic version of it. Future teams picked some parts from it and didn't use others. The Heat, for instance, took a lot of threes but were relatively plodding.
On June 20 2015 04:19 Ace wrote:.
Spo, Pop, Gentry all have said numerous times how important D'Antoni was to their offenses.
Of course, he was. He did help it leap forward. Some people just make it sound like he was this lonely voice crying in the wilderness.
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watching the warriors parade:
draymon green, this mofo, he is like rodmen 2.0, i love this guy rofl.
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"take a lot of 3s" isn't what his idea was though. It was specifically about short corner 3s, pace, transition offense and mismatches.
His defenses weren't as bad as people like to pretend they were. The major thing that killed them were injuries and suspensions.
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