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zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
June 18 2015 01:56 GMT
#1021
cavs favourite to win next year, did i miss something here. are they just counting on love to resign and irving to not get injured and JR smith can shoot higher than 30%?
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
June 18 2015 02:01 GMT
#1022
love has a player option, varejao's gonna be back

TT, shump, delly, perk, marion(retiring), jones last year of their contracts.
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
June 18 2015 02:14 GMT
#1023
depends on offseason of other teams imo
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 18 2015 02:16 GMT
#1024
On June 18 2015 10:56 zev318 wrote:
cavs favourite to win next year, did i miss something here. are they just counting on love to resign and irving to not get injured and JR smith can shoot higher than 30%?

No other team in the league has over a 50% chance of making it to the Finals, which is why they are obviously the favorite.
Freeeeeeedom
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
June 18 2015 02:26 GMT
#1025
On June 18 2015 09:38 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 04:17 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Blatt needs to be gone from the cavs immediately. He didnt do anything all season.

made the finals with 2 of their best 3 players gone, went to a defense-first old school ISO heavy offense to carry them there?

sure did nothing ok


Chances are, any coach could have done it with LeBron in the east. As for ability, I think he deserves another year. He is accomplished outside of nba, I think he will do better next year.

Speaking of coach, I expect kerr, draymon, curry, and thompson to create the first gsw dynasty...or at least I hope.
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-18 02:28:08
June 18 2015 02:26 GMT
#1026
On June 18 2015 11:16 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 10:56 zev318 wrote:
cavs favourite to win next year, did i miss something here. are they just counting on love to resign and irving to not get injured and JR smith can shoot higher than 30%?

No other team in the league has over a 50% chance of making it to the Finals, which is why they are obviously the favorite.

Even the Warriors? 538 had them as such an overwhelming favorite to win the title this year that I wouldn't be shocked.

EDIT: Here's the link. They had them at 48% to win the title when the playoffs started. http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/is-vegas-underrating-the-warriors/
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 18 2015 02:48 GMT
#1027
On June 18 2015 11:26 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 11:16 cLutZ wrote:
On June 18 2015 10:56 zev318 wrote:
cavs favourite to win next year, did i miss something here. are they just counting on love to resign and irving to not get injured and JR smith can shoot higher than 30%?

No other team in the league has over a 50% chance of making it to the Finals, which is why they are obviously the favorite.

Even the Warriors? 538 had them as such an overwhelming favorite to win the title this year that I wouldn't be shocked.

EDIT: Here's the link. They had them at 48% to win the title when the playoffs started. http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/is-vegas-underrating-the-warriors/


Its quite obvious that no other team is above 50% to make the finals as the Thunder and GSW are both 5-1, which means all other Western Conference teams would have to be 0% for either to have a 50/50 shot.

Even 538, right when the playoffs began, with no regular season injuries, after a historic regular season, only had GS at 49% chance to win the title. http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/is-vegas-underrating-the-warriors/

You also have to realize that these playoffs Golden State was spared a matchup against both the Clippers and Spurs, which were the teams most likely to defeat them ,whereas next year they might have to go through both those teams in the playoffs, plus the East Champ.
Freeeeeeedom
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 18 2015 02:53 GMT
#1028
To be honest, I think the Warriors disappointed a bit. The Cavs may have over-exaggerated how competitive they were, though. I expected the Warriors to dominate more, but it might have been like the Steelers being behind by 10 where you know that those 10 fucking points might as well be 100.

I agree Jordan seems to be the superior offensive player- at least for one play. I just don't know if he fits the current NBA as well as he did the old.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 18 2015 03:21 GMT
#1029
Almost no players from the 90s and before fit the current NBA because they all were shitty 3-Pt shooters. If you assume he could scale up (in volume) his 3PT% from the last few years in Chicago and say he's ~35-40% instead of being miserable like D-Wade then he would easily be the #2 player in the league.

The modern NBA does reward a Lebron-like playstyle a lot more though because the 3-PT shot which does let him amplify "shitty" players, and also the rules don't punish his weak midrange game the way they would had he been playing in the 80s/90s.
Freeeeeeedom
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
June 18 2015 03:23 GMT
#1030
On June 18 2015 11:53 Jerubaal wrote:
To be honest, I think the Warriors disappointed a bit. The Cavs may have over-exaggerated how competitive they were, though. I expected the Warriors to dominate more, but it might have been like the Steelers being behind by 10 where you know that those 10 fucking points might as well be 100.

I agree Jordan seems to be the superior offensive player- at least for one play. I just don't know if he fits the current NBA as well as he did the old.


Well I think this Warriors team can only get better. If you think about the first 3 games as a first time finals experience against the best player who has been there so many times. Thats another reason why Iggy was mvp. Old heads are so important mentally.

Guys like Harrison Barnes were disaster level bad in the first 3 games. Once they found their feet in game 4 there was only one winner imo.
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
June 18 2015 07:13 GMT
#1031
Watch out for the Heat next season with wade dragic bosh and whoever pat Riley's picks up. Might give Cavs some trouble.
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 18 2015 07:39 GMT
#1032
i'd be interested in the wizards getting better from the east.

lebron's minutes is a very serious problem but without the early season deficit that they had this year they don't have to play him as much. a fresher lebron in the playoffs is still too much for the east
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 18 2015 17:46 GMT
#1033
Remember, the Spurs are one mid level acquisition from being scary again. *crosses fingers* A tad optimistic I know.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 18 2015 19:50 GMT
#1034
The Spurs are still scary, if CP3 hadn't played the best 2 games of his life, who knows what would have happened in the Western Conference playoffs
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 18 2015 20:06 GMT
#1035
They need Bobo and Parker to not be corpses this year. The injuries to Splitter and Leonard didn't help either.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
June 18 2015 20:13 GMT
#1036
I am just so glad that the Warriors won. Their championship is pretty much a middle finger to NBA traditionalists.

Let us list the ways:
No. 1 in the NBA in pace in the regular season
running offense
three point shooting team
jump shooting team
switches a lot on defense
went ultra small in the Finals
not just with a stretch 4, but with a stretch 5 as well
best player is a point guard
a short, skinny point guard at that
as well as a scoring point guard who shoots a lot of threes
very into analytics

Trust a team from near Silicon Valley to be the disruptor.

In terms of championships, it is now jump shooting teams - 1, Charles Barkley - 0.

cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 18 2015 20:24 GMT
#1037
On June 19 2015 05:13 andrewlt wrote:
I am just so glad that the Warriors won. Their championship is pretty much a middle finger to NBA traditionalists.

Let us list the ways:
No. 1 in the NBA in pace in the regular season
running offense
three point shooting team
jump shooting team
switches a lot on defense
went ultra small in the Finals
not just with a stretch 4, but with a stretch 5 as well
best player is a point guard
a short, skinny point guard at that
as well as a scoring point guard who shoots a lot of threes
very into analytics

Trust a team from near Silicon Valley to be the disruptor.

In terms of championships, it is now jump shooting teams - 1, Charles Barkley - 0.



So, like, I'm kind a of with you until the end there. Charles can't be blamed for doubting a style that took a historically great amalgamation of players playing against depleted teams to win a title. In addition, that style was legislated into the game after he left the game, plus in just the playoffs the Celtics, Hawks, Rockets, etc all also tried to use that tactic to lesser effect.

And the middle finger to traditionalists was given by the NBA rules committee.
Freeeeeeedom
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-18 20:32:46
June 18 2015 20:32 GMT
#1038
On June 19 2015 05:24 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 05:13 andrewlt wrote:
I am just so glad that the Warriors won. Their championship is pretty much a middle finger to NBA traditionalists.

Let us list the ways:
No. 1 in the NBA in pace in the regular season
running offense
three point shooting team
jump shooting team
switches a lot on defense
went ultra small in the Finals
not just with a stretch 4, but with a stretch 5 as well
best player is a point guard
a short, skinny point guard at that
as well as a scoring point guard who shoots a lot of threes
very into analytics

Trust a team from near Silicon Valley to be the disruptor.

In terms of championships, it is now jump shooting teams - 1, Charles Barkley - 0.



So, like, I'm kind a of with you until the end there. Charles can't be blamed for doubting a style that took a historically great amalgamation of players playing against depleted teams to win a title. In addition, that style was legislated into the game after he left the game, plus in just the playoffs the Celtics, Hawks, Rockets, etc all also tried to use that tactic to lesser effect.

And the middle finger to traditionalists was given by the NBA rules committee.

but if you think about it it's not like the Heat or the Spurs were old school ISO heavy, pound the post teams either. They both featured lots of ball movement, role players who were great at shooting 3s, and whenever they went to postups it was more to draw double teams and looking for open shooters than to score directly
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 18 2015 20:37 GMT
#1039
Also, the Spurs pretty much revolutionized how the game was played in last year's finals with their passing. IIRC passes increased by like 4% this season.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 18 2015 21:02 GMT
#1040
I wouldn't say they revolutionized it, but there was a monkey-see, monkey-do affect. All of these ideas have been around for a while. It just takes some time to perfect them. I think the real winner this year was a team full of 2-way players.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
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