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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
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OkMong
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OkMong
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On June 02 2015 05:46 andrewlt wrote: Cavs playoff record has been against a dreadful conference. The only other good team in that conference, the Hawks, haven't been the same since they got NYPD'd. This is what is misleading about this East/West comparison - "East is weak, West is best, West gonna steamroll East all day everyday lalala" Just stop that nonsense already. The record shows that Cavs have the best playoff defense record of all remaining teams. And this game validated it. Up until the OT and Kyrie injury, the Warriors were effectively shut down the entire game. Curry were making more turnovers that usual and never got into any shooting rhythm. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13007 Posts
That sort of effort just doesn't look sustainable from Cleveland. They aren't gonna win with Lebron taking 38 shots a night. He'll be gassed by game 3. The Cavs' defence is really good right now though. They shut down Curry pretty well but I don't know if they have the troops to keep up over 7 games. James reminds me of Harden in the West finals. Amazing effort but he's gonna run out of juice. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On June 05 2015 17:03 ZenithM wrote: I thought the Cavs looked good in regulation. They were gased in OT (well, James was, understandably), but I wouldn't sweat it going forward. The obvious real problem is Irving, this is not looking good, and they certainly can't do it without him. I don't know if your analysis is based on gut feeling or numbers, but Cleveland had no "only chance". Both teams were pretty evenly matched up in every facet of the stat sheet... 2 more offensive rebounds and 1 less turnover are not things I would qualify as "only chances", because if they are, it's pretty much admitting that the teams are quite close already. And also, 39/94 (Cleveland) and 39/88 (GS) is still pretty close. That's not "far less" shots. The real issues are in James having to do too much (he's doing it very well, but he can't do it many games in a row), the bench doing too little. I would still agree with your "GS in 5", but not for the reasons you mentioned. Regulation doesn't support that for me, but Irving being hurt pretty much seals it. Maybe a sweep even. It only looked even because Golden State finally caught up. My analysis with regards to OREBS and possessions is based mainly on where the Cavs were when they were up. Lots of second chance points seemed like their best bet to win. I really don't think the teams are close with the way the Cavs played even with Green missing time. I honestly think the Cavs got great games from 4 guys but died once the Warriors hit their C level game. | ||
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zeratul_jf
United States808 Posts
I honestly don't think Cavs will be able to hold on to the series. Lebron dropping 44pts and still cavs losing??? I'm sorry but when GS comes out to play, cavs are gonna be in for a rude awakening of how they dont stand a chance. It will be like Cavs vs Spurs finals all over game. LBJ against the world. | ||
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whatisthisasheep
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16710 Posts
On June 06 2015 00:37 whatisthisasheep wrote: Cavs need to reconstruct Irvings contract next year. You cant be paying an injury prone player max dollars or you will end up with another Derrick Rose. Paying Irving less will allow the Cavs to pick up an actual bench next year. Irving with 1 knee isnt worth 10 mil + next year the only thing similar between Rose and Irving is pain in the knee area. Derrick Rose had cartilage damage which they attempted to repair and then they eventually removed part of his cartilage...that's 2 surgeries right there. thus far Irving has no structural damage... today's MRI will provide more info... prelim tests indicated his ACL and MCL are not torn... basically a doc does that by jerking ur knee and leg around a bit. furthermore, Irving's knee issues began only after he was compensating for a sore right foot. http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2015/05/mri_results_reveal_tendonitis.html Generally, when you fix the original issue it becomes a lot easier to then heal from any subsequent injuries that occur due to compensating for the original injury. we've got a physical therapist in this thread i'm sure he can chime in on this with more detail than i. with me, when i fixed my medial epicondylitis the subsequent tenosynovitis that developed due to me compensating got solved pretty easily. obviously, every case it different though.. this is anecdotal. basically, i don't think Irving has a "bad knee"... maybe he has a bad foot.. but so little has been revealed about that injury all we'd be doing is speculating. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
oh well, as home fan of gsw for over a decade (tim hardaway was my first favorite player), i'm very glad to see them finally get a ring. on another note, its a great fucking weekend. juventus vs barcelona on saturday, gsw vs cavs on sunday. WEEEEEEE~~~ | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On June 05 2015 17:24 oneofthem wrote: game 1 was a pretty bad look for the cavs. gsw was not playing all that well and lebron was on beast mode, and they still lost. cleveland's severe lack of depth means they can't stay in a physical series with the warriors and lebron's lost 3 point touch is pretty painful late in the game. idk a lot of people seem to attribute GSW's game as them playing poorly, but I think Cleveland's defense has been underrated in this aspect as well. They did a good job forcing bad shots and turnovers (and GSW is prone to a couple dumb turnovers a game already) so while you could say that GSW could have performed better I think a lot of that is on how well the Cavs played them. On June 05 2015 21:24 zeratul_jf wrote: I find it a bit ironic that james left Miami because you know injuried Wade barely showed up to play in the finals, and now it seems like Kyrie is taking Wade's role and he is also injuried. And they are using Love as an escape goat like they did the first year with Bosh. I honestly don't think Cavs will be able to hold on to the series. Lebron dropping 44pts and still cavs losing??? I'm sorry but when GS comes out to play, cavs are gonna be in for a rude awakening of how they dont stand a chance. It will be like Cavs vs Spurs finals all over game. LBJ against the world. Sure but you couldn't really predict the other 2 "big 3" members getting injured like that. I think the other thing about James leaving is that he wanted to finish his career in Cleveland anyway, he got the rings and he wanted to come home both for personal reasons and because he thinks (maybe correctly) that coming back to Cleveland/getting them a championship would be best for his legacy and how he'd be remembered. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On June 05 2015 19:00 OkMong wrote: This is what is misleading about this East/West comparison - "East is weak, West is best, West gonna steamroll East all day everyday lalala" Just stop that nonsense already. The record shows that Cavs have the best playoff defense record of all remaining teams. And this game validated it. Up until the OT and Kyrie injury, the Warriors were effectively shut down the entire game. Curry were making more turnovers that usual and never got into any shooting rhythm. More than usual? Turnovers have been the Warriors' biggest weakness all season. They had 12 this game. Stop being such a homer. I don't think you've watched any of the western conference games but the Warriors did the same thing against the Rockets. They didn't play that well during many stretches of games 1-2 but were able to squeak by even with Harden going off. Same thing happened in game 1 with them surviving a massive Lebron game. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16710 Posts
oh well, at least there is now no chance he'll aggravate his tendonitis. http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2015/story/_/id/13020515/kyrie-irving-cleveland-cavaliers-fractures-kneecap-season-ending-surgery | ||
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Grettin
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 06 2015 07:02 ghrur wrote: The finals were done, but I don't think we were robbed unless you count the Kevin Love injury. Really, GSW missed a lot of open shots this game and the first quarter especially. The first quarter, GSW's offense got to the rim and open 3's pretty easily. They just missed, which left them behind and the momentum going against them. I think this still would have been a 5 game series if Irving weren't hurt. This. The Cleveland sympathizers were out in force today citing the "James+Thomson+Irvine" were +10 when together. This of course ignores the first quarter where the best shooting team in the NBA looked like they were dipped in liquid nitrogen, that this was Kyrie's second best game of the playoffs (injury or no), and it was the best game Lebron has ever played in a playoff loss (at least since he joined the Heat), and probably a top 10 playoff performance for him in his career. Plus those 3 all have to play extremely high energy games, which is much easier after a week off instead of 1 day off. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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