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SwARmZzz
Profile Joined June 2013
Canada193 Posts
June 05 2015 22:40 GMT
#201
Kyrie confirmed out...
Bring out them broomsticks...
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
June 05 2015 23:08 GMT
#202
does dubs have a pg curse on the opponent or something? holiday, conley, bev, kyrie. damn
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
June 05 2015 23:09 GMT
#203
On June 06 2015 07:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I feel like barring something truly unexpected, the finals will the same next year and hopefully with CLE in full force. Sucks that the series is already over but CLE definitely overachieved with or without the injuries. Love already said he's re-signing and no reason for TT to go elsewhere.

idk the West is always really competitive and it's hard to tell how it'll shake out- GSW didn't have to face SAS or LAC and OKC should hopefully be back with Durant healthy. ATL will be back, hopefully at full force as well- although they have a couple big FAs and who knows what will happen with them, and there's a couple of young teams that'll get another year of experience- MIL, ORL, Miami might be back depending on their injuries and so on. I don't think it'll be that competitive in the East still but I do think that it's likely that Cleveland will face more of a challenge next year than this year.

Love said he's re-signing but everyone says that during the regular season so we'll see.
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
June 06 2015 00:04 GMT
#204
The cavs are now 12:1 in vegas sportsbook if any1 is feeling brave
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 06 2015 00:34 GMT
#205
On June 06 2015 05:25 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2015 17:24 oneofthem wrote:
game 1 was a pretty bad look for the cavs. gsw was not playing all that well and lebron was on beast mode, and they still lost. cleveland's severe lack of depth means they can't stay in a physical series with the warriors and lebron's lost 3 point touch is pretty painful late in the game.

idk a lot of people seem to attribute GSW's game as them playing poorly, but I think Cleveland's defense has been underrated in this aspect as well. They did a good job forcing bad shots and turnovers (and GSW is prone to a couple dumb turnovers a game already) so while you could say that GSW could have performed better I think a lot of that is on how well the Cavs played them.

they were shooting 20% on mostly open shots in the first quarter. that's a slow start.

the only real edge cavs showed was the bunch of rebounds they had early, not all of which were off of warrior misses either.


anyway for cavs+love vs gsw, their offense will improve but it is still dependent on streaky shooters making their shots. the defense would become quite a bit worse with love on the floor. the most notable change would be a faster pace of the game for cleveland
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
June 06 2015 02:13 GMT
#206
On June 06 2015 07:40 SwARmZzz wrote:
Kyrie confirmed out...
Bring out them broomsticks...

Going on how the cavs played without him these playoffs I'm not expecting a sweep, depite kyrie's spectacular blocks they're still better defensively with del
Yhamm is the god of predictions
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 06 2015 02:16 GMT
#207
nah they are pretty toast offensively. you can't rely on jr to shoot 60% from 3
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 06 2015 02:42 GMT
#208
What a hater.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
OkMong
Profile Joined June 2013
76 Posts
June 06 2015 04:23 GMT
#209
On June 06 2015 05:26 andrewlt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2015 19:00 OkMong wrote:
On June 02 2015 05:46 andrewlt wrote:
On June 01 2015 11:56 OkMong wrote:
On June 01 2015 11:09 AgentW wrote:
They're the best defensive team in the league, and were just barely the second best offensive team in the league. Conversely, Cleveland was like the fifth best offensive team, but like 20th on defense. Furthermore, LeBron can't shoot a jumper if his life depended on it as of this moment, Love is out, and Irving is most likely still going to be hampered and likely can't defend Curry in the first place. I haven't a clue how the Cavs plan to defend Green with Thompson, and Kerr is a superior coach to Blatt. Last, Cleveland's offense has devolved into LeBron isos into drive and kicks, and the Dubs are by far the best defensive team that they'll have faced, which means that he likely won't be able to kick to open shooters nearly as easily.

Warriors in 5.

EDIT: I'd also reject the notion that these two were the best teams. I may still put the Clippers or San Antonio ahead of Cleveland in their current form.

You're using regular season record. PO record has Cavaliers as the best defensive team. Thompson and Mozgov have given opposing front court players hell the entire playoffs, I don't think Green would be a problem. In fact, this finals will expose the warriors interior. Lebron isos have evolved so much this year. He has become more comfortable and prolific with 15-18-foot post up plays that end either with him dominating the defender (which I think he will do with Thompson, Igoudala, or Green) or kicking out for open shots. This routine alone, along with Mozgov and Thompson, will shred the Warriors defense to pieces.


Cavs playoff record has been against a dreadful conference. The only other good team in that conference, the Hawks, haven't been the same since they got NYPD'd.

This is what is misleading about this East/West comparison - "East is weak, West is best, West gonna steamroll East all day everyday lalala" Just stop that nonsense already. The record shows that Cavs have the best playoff defense record of all remaining teams. And this game validated it. Up until the OT and Kyrie injury, the Warriors were effectively shut down the entire game. Curry were making more turnovers that usual and never got into any shooting rhythm.


More than usual? Turnovers have been the Warriors' biggest weakness all season. They had 12 this game. Stop being such a homer.

I don't think you've watched any of the western conference games but the Warriors did the same thing against the Rockets. They didn't play that well during many stretches of games 1-2 but were able to squeak by even with Harden going off. Same thing happened in game 1 with them surviving a massive Lebron game.

My point stands. You are wrong to downplay Cavs defense as merely a result of a weak Eastern Conference. The official figures for the Finals Game 1 validate this. And no need to be emotional and descend to ad hominem.
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
June 06 2015 05:03 GMT
#210
Russel Wilson is joining the Dallas Mavericks, according to entourage /spoiler
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 06 2015 06:21 GMT
#211
For shits and giggles in the offseason?
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
June 06 2015 13:15 GMT
#212
On June 06 2015 13:23 OkMong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2015 05:26 andrewlt wrote:
On June 05 2015 19:00 OkMong wrote:
On June 02 2015 05:46 andrewlt wrote:
On June 01 2015 11:56 OkMong wrote:
On June 01 2015 11:09 AgentW wrote:
They're the best defensive team in the league, and were just barely the second best offensive team in the league. Conversely, Cleveland was like the fifth best offensive team, but like 20th on defense. Furthermore, LeBron can't shoot a jumper if his life depended on it as of this moment, Love is out, and Irving is most likely still going to be hampered and likely can't defend Curry in the first place. I haven't a clue how the Cavs plan to defend Green with Thompson, and Kerr is a superior coach to Blatt. Last, Cleveland's offense has devolved into LeBron isos into drive and kicks, and the Dubs are by far the best defensive team that they'll have faced, which means that he likely won't be able to kick to open shooters nearly as easily.

Warriors in 5.

EDIT: I'd also reject the notion that these two were the best teams. I may still put the Clippers or San Antonio ahead of Cleveland in their current form.

You're using regular season record. PO record has Cavaliers as the best defensive team. Thompson and Mozgov have given opposing front court players hell the entire playoffs, I don't think Green would be a problem. In fact, this finals will expose the warriors interior. Lebron isos have evolved so much this year. He has become more comfortable and prolific with 15-18-foot post up plays that end either with him dominating the defender (which I think he will do with Thompson, Igoudala, or Green) or kicking out for open shots. This routine alone, along with Mozgov and Thompson, will shred the Warriors defense to pieces.


Cavs playoff record has been against a dreadful conference. The only other good team in that conference, the Hawks, haven't been the same since they got NYPD'd.

This is what is misleading about this East/West comparison - "East is weak, West is best, West gonna steamroll East all day everyday lalala" Just stop that nonsense already. The record shows that Cavs have the best playoff defense record of all remaining teams. And this game validated it. Up until the OT and Kyrie injury, the Warriors were effectively shut down the entire game. Curry were making more turnovers that usual and never got into any shooting rhythm.


More than usual? Turnovers have been the Warriors' biggest weakness all season. They had 12 this game. Stop being such a homer.

I don't think you've watched any of the western conference games but the Warriors did the same thing against the Rockets. They didn't play that well during many stretches of games 1-2 but were able to squeak by even with Harden going off. Same thing happened in game 1 with them surviving a massive Lebron game.

My point stands. You are wrong to downplay Cavs defense as merely a result of a weak Eastern Conference. The official figures for the Finals Game 1 validate this. And no need to be emotional and descend to ad hominem.

You still haven't addressed the fact that the Cavs were 20th in the league in defense this year. Don't need to mention the East to do that.

http://stats.nba.com/league/team/#!/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular Season
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
June 06 2015 13:22 GMT
#213
Uh... this Cavs team has had the biggest transformation from their regular season than any other team in recent memory. Maybe if you just run the numbers starting post-trade, but counting the rest of the year is silly.
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AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
June 06 2015 13:38 GMT
#214
On June 06 2015 22:22 Jibba wrote:
Uh... this Cavs team has had the biggest transformation from their regular season than any other team in recent memory. Maybe if you just run the numbers starting post-trade, but counting the rest of the year is silly.

Not an exact comparison, but post ASG, they were 14th.

http://stats.nba.com/league/team/#!/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular Season&SeasonSegment=Post All-Star
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
OkMong
Profile Joined June 2013
76 Posts
June 06 2015 14:14 GMT
#215
On June 06 2015 22:15 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2015 13:23 OkMong wrote:
On June 06 2015 05:26 andrewlt wrote:
On June 05 2015 19:00 OkMong wrote:
On June 02 2015 05:46 andrewlt wrote:
On June 01 2015 11:56 OkMong wrote:
On June 01 2015 11:09 AgentW wrote:
They're the best defensive team in the league, and were just barely the second best offensive team in the league. Conversely, Cleveland was like the fifth best offensive team, but like 20th on defense. Furthermore, LeBron can't shoot a jumper if his life depended on it as of this moment, Love is out, and Irving is most likely still going to be hampered and likely can't defend Curry in the first place. I haven't a clue how the Cavs plan to defend Green with Thompson, and Kerr is a superior coach to Blatt. Last, Cleveland's offense has devolved into LeBron isos into drive and kicks, and the Dubs are by far the best defensive team that they'll have faced, which means that he likely won't be able to kick to open shooters nearly as easily.

Warriors in 5.

EDIT: I'd also reject the notion that these two were the best teams. I may still put the Clippers or San Antonio ahead of Cleveland in their current form.

You're using regular season record. PO record has Cavaliers as the best defensive team. Thompson and Mozgov have given opposing front court players hell the entire playoffs, I don't think Green would be a problem. In fact, this finals will expose the warriors interior. Lebron isos have evolved so much this year. He has become more comfortable and prolific with 15-18-foot post up plays that end either with him dominating the defender (which I think he will do with Thompson, Igoudala, or Green) or kicking out for open shots. This routine alone, along with Mozgov and Thompson, will shred the Warriors defense to pieces.

Cavs playoff record has been against a dreadful conference. The only other good team in that conference, the Hawks, haven't been the same since they got NYPD'd.

This is what is misleading about this East/West comparison - "East is weak, West is best, West gonna steamroll East all day everyday lalala" Just stop that nonsense already. The record shows that Cavs have the best playoff defense record of all remaining teams. And this game validated it. Up until the OT and Kyrie injury, the Warriors were effectively shut down the entire game. Curry were making more turnovers that usual and never got into any shooting rhythm.


More than usual? Turnovers have been the Warriors' biggest weakness all season. They had 12 this game. Stop being such a homer.

I don't think you've watched any of the western conference games but the Warriors did the same thing against the Rockets. They didn't play that well during many stretches of games 1-2 but were able to squeak by even with Harden going off. Same thing happened in game 1 with them surviving a massive Lebron game.

My point stands. You are wrong to downplay Cavs defense as merely a result of a weak Eastern Conference. The official figures for the Finals Game 1 validate this. And no need to be emotional and descend to ad hominem.

You still haven't addressed the fact that the Cavs were 20th in the league in defense this year. Don't need to mention the East to do that.

http://stats.nba.com/league/team/#!/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular Season

You misread the conversation. The data I pointed out was that the Cavaliers lead in defense in the playoffs. And then he tried to diminish this record by saying that the Cavs were playing in the "dreadful conference", which is related but irrelevant to the point I raised, and his claim was utterly demolished by the numbers for game 1. Regular season records was out of the discussion from the start.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-06 16:31:05
June 06 2015 15:52 GMT
#216
That's not exactly a new development. Over the last decade, there have been plenty of good defenses from the East. The horrid offenses has been the bigger outlier.

I also feel like we have this weird tendency to want to say that Lebron James teams are simultaneously awesome and awful.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-06 17:14:17
June 06 2015 17:13 GMT
#217
They're awesome because of Lebron, awful because of the rest?
Nah, I'm kidding, Wade and Bosh are cool.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 07 2015 17:08 GMT
#218
go warriors...
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-08 00:10:59
June 07 2015 23:46 GMT
#219
got a feeling cavs will win this one

edit: damn warriors intro is sick reminds me of my fav starleague intro
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5594 Posts
June 08 2015 00:11 GMT
#220
On June 08 2015 08:46 Scarecrow wrote:
got a feeling cavs will win this one

edit: damn warriors intro is sick reminds me of my fav starleague intro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB2-UpWlyos

No way. GS got this in the bag.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
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