EPTTeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 - Page 108
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
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Ikidomari
Australia485 Posts
Age: 21 || Height: 179cm / 5'11" || Weight: 62kg Starting Date: 16/may/2016 || Goal Date: 18/August/2016 Weight goals -- 70kg Training goals -- Swim 100 laps in one session (50m pool) -- Run 10km with either zero or one breaks -- Complete 100 pushups / situps / squats daily. Nutrition goals -- Breakfast: oats / banana / greek yoghurt / milk / mixed berry smoothie. -- Lunch: tuna and salad sandwiches (2-3, either 95g or 190g of tuna) -- Dinner: chicken and rice (~350g of chicken breast per night, half a cup of rice. additions to the meal will vary from night to night.) -- Snacks: going to try to stick to muesli / oat bars / fruit, but I'll probably eat junk like chocolate or a donut every now and then. I don't see this as a major problem since my goal is to gain weight, not lose it, and I don't go overboard and eat an entire block of chocolate in one sitting, it's more like 4-5 cubes from a big block. Sleep goals -- I'm going to aim for 9 hours per night, if I can't achieve this (due to assignments / study for exams etc) I'll at least aim for multiples of 1.5 hours (7.5, 6, 4.5 etc) because then I'll at least not wake up mid sleep-cycle Misc/stress goals procrastination is probably my biggest weakness as a person, I'm going to split up my life into an Eisenhower matrix and get more organised that way. I aim to drink minimum 1.5L of water daily, this is something I'm currently extremely bad at, I seem to survive on coffee and fruit juice, never drinking actual plain water, except a mouthful each morning/night after I brush my teeth Other I'll also be going rock-climbing on and off whenever I have time, My body goals aren't to get huge, just to put on a little muscle and be fit. My swimming goal will be achieved by swimming one more lap than the previous session, each and every time I swim. Keep it up for 100 days and I'll be swimming minimum 100 laps. Side note Swimming is extremely difficult for me and I'm not sure why. I was never a strong swimmer as a kid, I was always great at long-distance running, though. Every time I swim I throw up, regardless of how hard I push myself. If I do 20 laps in a pool, I puke. If I jump off a jetty and swim to shore, I puke. I have no idea what causes it. I've tried eating 30 minutes before I swim, eating two hours before, I've tried swimming first thing in the morning, not having eaten since dinner the previous night, it doesn't make a difference. If anyone's had a similar problem / found a solution, let me know, please. edit: any feedback on this would be great, I'm a rookie when it comes to health stuff. Though the post is mostly here for me to have a concrete goal to look at, as opposed to just "I'll work on my fitness soon" being in my head | ||
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FFGenerations
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Ikidomari
Australia485 Posts
I've had some especially fantastic interactions with other people afterward, me wiping my mouth and crying, a cleaner staring at me in horror, and glancing worriedly at the cubicle to find out if he's going to hate the next 10 minutes of his life or not. (he's not, I clean up after myself) | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
life is loooonnng so i recommend you just take the plunge and stick your head in a gym for an hour and see how it goes in there. (also you can do other useful stuff in a gym like pullups) also you should state your current abilities when stating your goals. you want to run 10km without stopping but don't say if you can run even 5k? if you can run 5k, do you run it at 30 minutes or 25 minutes? because personally i would run 5k at 25 minutes leagues before even thinking of running a 10k (but that's just my very limited personal experience with running) | ||
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Ikidomari
Australia485 Posts
I'll likely start adding weight to the squats after they become 'too easy'. I'm not sure how much or in what increments, I'll ask my mate who gyms religiously what he'd recommend. I have a pullup bar at home, and a canvasing board for rock climbing. I can run a 5 minute mile on a very good day in perfect conditions (this may not be super accurate, I'm not sure how precise the nike running app is for measuring distance ran.) I typically run ~4-5km anywhere from 15-25 minutes depending how I'm feeling. I'm dumpster tier at swimming, I can swim ~6 laps in a 50m pool before the nausea overwhelms me, then I go and puke, then I do another 2-4 laps depending on how broken my will is. I can handle the burn of running, the pain of lifting a heavy amount, but nausea just breaks me. I think for running I'll work on running 10km, then once I'm there I'll just work on bringing the time down as much as possible. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On May 16 2016 22:04 Osmoses wrote: I agree that we don't know alot of the hows and why's. My argument is that it doesn't matter for someone just trying to lose weight. Eating all that bread in one sitting is no way to live, so you won't do it. It's silly to even suggest it. It might sound harsh, but there's no great mystery to plain old weight loss. It's just a moderate amount of discipline coupled with not being a retard. And there's no industry conspiracy to the people's obesity, people are fat because bad food just so happens to be both cheap and taste really, really good. There's nothing I love more than a cold beer, and if I can have a pizza eat while I'm drinking it, hey, I'm a happy guy, but you'd have to be clinically retarded to be surprised that that kind of diet made you fat. Maybe, but I've seen plenty of people eat a baked potato for lunch and go jogging at night and have no clue why they are not losing weight. The Energy Balance Paradigm and A Calorie Is a Calorie don't help this person. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
On May 16 2016 22:44 IgnE wrote: Because of the calories or because beer and pizza? It doesn't really matter that the particular combination is extra terrible, even if both the beer and pizza contained nothing but kobe-grade protein it would still be a days worth of calories in one meal. Point is, unless you're aiming to be a bodybuilder it's simply not that complicated. | ||
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Jerubaal
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Osmoses
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
Sorry pal, your "a calorie is a calorie" formulation is sheer fantasy. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20164 Posts
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
As for a specific person, we spent a whole page saying that there are many factors in nutrition so saying things like "energy balance" is not wrong, it's just meaningless (as Taubes points out). You gain weight because you have net positive energy. Ok. Thanks. What is causing this? It doesn't make sense to even count calories when we don't know what's going on inside the body. We need to focus on what causes fat storage. The mechanism for fat storage is insulin. Carbohydrates cause an insulin response; fat does not. Do you really think you're going to "maintain" or lose weight by eating 2500 calories of pasta breadbowls? Anywho have a study.http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/79/5/899S.full | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
1. are adamant that a calorie is not a calorie 2. offhandedly mention any reasonably study within the last one hundred years 3. revise your argument so that it no longer rejects cals in vs out, merely dismisses it as meaningless 4. construct another dietary strawman wherein someone has suggested to you that you should eat nothing but pasta breadbowls 5. link one study that concludes that a calorie is in fact a calorie. (wtf?) What's your game anyway? I mean, it's the easiest thing in the world to prove that if you eat too little of ANYTHING you will lose weight, whereas the manipulation of hormones through diet is so poorly understood it's basically subjective. And on that note, while it is probably impossible or at least incredibly uncomfortable for the average person to eat more than their daily maintenance in nothing but protein I see nothing in your study that suggests they wouldn't get fatter from it. What do you mean macro scale? Where is your evidence that eating below maintenance in carbs will still somehow make you fat? And most importantly, as I've already asked several times now, what would you suggest an overweight person do to lose weight instead of counting calories? This is what this whole argument has been about from the start. We know that the body reacts differently to different macronutrients, we know about oxidation and insulin resistance and hypertrophy and polyunsaturated fats and alhocol precedence and carb loading and the 30 grams of protein a day (lol) and the one magic trick your doctor does not want you to know!. Believe me, anyone who has spent more than an afternoon researching this shit knows. But that's not the point! That shit doesn't even enter into it until you're already reasonably lean, with reasonable musclemass, a reasonable hormonal state and a reasonable diet. You do not start digging into the body's internal chemistry when you're 250 pounds and wheezing from sitting down, alright? The only use for that shit is to obtain a sixpack, or to increase your lifts, or improve your time around a track. It's the next level, not page one. If you have some revolutionary new method to lose weight while still eating as much as you like, feel free to share, but your video is little more than a one hour salespitch from a writer pretending to be a scientist. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20164 Posts
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
-We know that sugars and refined carbohydrates are at the root of the metabolic disease epidemic.Wherever you find these, you find obesity, diabetes, etc. Where they aren't you don't, regardless of whether the main food source is based off of fat or complex carbohydrates. -I don't really know what exact situation we're talking about, but since you suggested a fairly overweight person, we'll go with that. If a person is in that bad shape, their fat is almost of secondary concern to me. I don't care about them being fat, I'm concerned about them being a hormonal wreck. That person should cut all sugars and refined carbs from their diets (and frankly probably starches for the time being) until they can control their insulin resistance. Diabetes is not a calories in, calories out problem. Not everyone with diabetes is fat, but there is a strong correlation. (I'd say energy source matters a lot less for an athlete because they have that balance of extremes, but even they have to eliminate every last carb to get to extremely low body fat %s. If it really was just about calories in, calories out, couldn't they just jog more?) -So we know that sugars and refined carbs are the trigger for obesity and diabetes. We know that insulin, the primary trigger for fat storage, is secreted in response to these foods (that's why it causes diabetes). So we have foods that cause serious health problems and encourage fat storage. Meanwhile, we have zero evidence for the position that "a calorie is a calorie". None. Only the repetition about the first law of thermodynamics or some bollocks. Even after we've mentioned all the different factors that go into nutrition. I don't know why you objected to my mention of pasta breadbowls, as that seems to be exactly what your position is no? That an equivalent caloric intake of beans or meat or what have you would have the same effect as a pasta breadbowl (they are delicious though). Is that not your position? Taubes is a journalist (although he has a background in physics, I believe), not a scientist, but that gives him the advantage of only having to speak using other people's words. He's not trying to sell you a 9 DVD set during the talk, for Christ's sake. If you prefer, you can go watch Dr. Robert Lustig, although he is much more concerned with sugar and endocrinology than he is fat loss. My magical diet is nothing more than that you should eliminate the sugars and refined carbs if you want to lose weight and be generally healthier (easier said than done I know). If you suspect you have insulin resistance, you might also cut out complex starches as well until you get that under control. I have known, and I'm sure you do too, many people who struggled to lose weight. I don't think the answer is that they were too lazy but that they were misinformed. They counted their calories and jogged on their treadmills and it was fruitless. I suspect that you actually agree with me on a good many things, but you feel compelled to defend this principle for some reason. This is a very complex subject to talk about, though. Have another: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/health/19brody.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1 A really interesting article. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/08/health/08fat.html | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
I think this is the only metcon in which I could beat a large part of regional athletes. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
Dudes I am so shredded right now. On a yoga retreat at a Mexican beach with vegetarian diet (some shrimp and fish on a couple of the days) this past week. Four hours of hot yoga a day. Fucking shredded. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
 Wouldn't mind being at something like that. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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