EPTTeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 - Page 107
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Osmoses
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Garbels
Austria653 Posts
edit: To expand on that rather general question. I know nothing about bulking I'm just eating alot more since around February because I definitely could use the weight (68kg/184). I can still use some weight at 74kg I'm just wondering if I should slow down or take a break or something. | ||
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FFGenerations
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zatic
Zurich15313 Posts
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decafchicken
United States19931 Posts
On May 13 2016 13:47 IgnE wrote: can you show me a picture of how you tape them 30 reps is some silly crossfit workout I use J&J athletic tape. I tear it in half so it's not as wide and start from the top then wrap around downwards. Took a while for me to get the hang of making it tight enough to not fall off but loose enough where I could still bend my thumb. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On May 13 2016 16:21 Osmoses wrote: Just feels like the journalist didnt understand the material she was writing about. I mean calories in is what your body absorbs, not every gram of what you shove in your face, so whats new? Of course the body is a very complex system, but it can't somehow subvert physics. I'm not sure what you are saying, what your particular issue with the writing is. On May 13 2016 17:54 Garbels wrote: While on the topic of eating and weight would you guys advise against long(6+month) bulking phases? edit: To expand on that rather general question. I know nothing about bulking I'm just eating alot more since around February because I definitely could use the weight (68kg/184). I can still use some weight at 74kg I'm just wondering if I should slow down or take a break or something. It's actually easy to lose weight if you are strong and have a lot of muscle. If you are 220 at 15-18% bodyfat you can just cut out sugar and drop weight really easily by continuing to go to the gym. I recommend bulking for as long as you need to to get the muscle you want. Just bulk sensibly. You don't want to be adding unnecessary fat, and muscle takes time to build. I added about 5-10 lbs in a whole year for like 6 years to get to 245 before cutting down to walk around with a six pack. But I can walk around at ~215 with hardly any effort now, and my previous fear of catabolism if I'm not constantly eating protein and working out has been proven to be paranoia. Although that might be because I've been pretty muscular for a decade+ now. But to add muscle you really do need to be eating a caloric surplus. I recommend ice cream after the post-gym feast if you are having trouble eating enough. I would go through periods where I was just completely sick of eating at all. It becomes a chore. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
lets see say i know 40 people, 8 of them smoke, 2 of them gym, 2 of them play musical instruments for hobby, people aren't that effective lol | ||
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decafchicken
United States19931 Posts
On May 14 2016 00:14 IgnE wrote: I'm not sure what you are saying, what your particular issue with the writing is. It's actually easy to lose weight if you are strong and have a lot of muscle. If you are 220 at 15-18% bodyfat you can just cut out sugar and drop weight really easily by continuing to go to the gym. Can confirm, dropped like 6 pounds in 6 weeks just controlling my carbs better. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
Preliminary evidence in favor of refeeds! There's no question that the evidence from the study at hand must be considered - at best - preliminary. Nevertheless, the significantly higher efficacy of dieting with refeeds clearly indicates that this "trick" could make dieting "easier" by reducing the deficit without compromising the fat loss. And even more: Although this is speculative, one could argue that the difference in body fat regain (the scientists accessed only the significance of the differences in absolute values, by the way), may have reached statistical significance if (a) the refeeding phase had been longer or (b) the deficit and subsequent metabolic adaptation had bee more pronounced... but you know what, right? Let's wait and see what a follow up human study will be able to tell us about the benefits of refeeds on weight... no, wait! Not on WEIGHT, but rather on FAT loss, obviously Weight loss is not calories in vs. calories out. | ||
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Eclipsing Binary
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On May 14 2016 00:14 IgnE wrote: It's actually easy to lose weight if you are strong and have a lot of muscle. If you are 220 at 15-18% bodyfat you can just cut out sugar and drop weight really easily by continuing to go to the gym. I recommend bulking for as long as you need to to get the muscle you want. Just bulk sensibly. You don't want to be adding unnecessary fat, and muscle takes time to build. Could you elaborate on "bulking sensibly"? About how many calories above maintenance should you eat per day? It seems that there are two sides on this. One is the Mark Rippetoe Starting Strength philosophy (he recommends up to 6000 kcal/day for skinny novices for the first few months and then 4000/day after that). Eat a lot, don't care about body fat percentage for the first couple of years because it'll be easy to get lean later. And then there are the "leangainers" who say just 200 or 300 above maintenance per day is enough, that naturals can only build about 0.6 lbs of muscle a week, so any more is just adding fat for no reason. And that you never want to go above about 15% body fat because fat tissue decreases your testosterone levels and makes it harder to gain muscle. Is there a certain body fat percentage (or any other metric) at which you would recommend cutting? | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
1) aim for 120g protein/day 2) eat more carbs as and when you feel hungry (porridge, or rice if you're eshlow, or ice cream lul) 3) don't gorge yourself by habit - stop eating when you're full 4) always go to sleep the moment you feel tired 5) never stop drinking from a water bottle by your side | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
On May 15 2016 09:32 IgnE wrote: http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2016/05/study-suggests-superiority-of-dieting.html Weight loss is not calories in vs. calories out. You're missing the point. Calories in isn't what you eat, it's what your body absorbs. Refeeds, fasting, macros, metabolism, they're all just tweaking that variable. So yes, weight loss is cals in vs out. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On May 15 2016 15:29 Osmoses wrote: You're missing the point. Calories in isn't what you eat, it's what your body absorbs. Refeeds, fasting, macros, metabolism, they're all just tweaking that variable. So yes, weight loss is cals in vs out. Ok I don't deal in tautologies because they are boring. "Calories in vs calories out" is not a helpful way to think about weight loss because it's impossible to know the quantity on either side of the equation at any given time. It's made worse by the seeming facticity of calorie labels on food lending an air of mathematical precision to inexact science. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
Counting calories isn't an exact science, but it's not hard to add or subtract them if you're not getting the expected results. And saying calories in vs calories out isn't true is the first-edition goto excuse for fat people and it just drives me up the wall. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
It's been danced around a few times, but not quite said explicitly, but glycemic impact and insulin resistance is one of the if not the most important factor in weight gain. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
I think probably most of us basically agree on a lot of things, but we are coming at it from different angles. I often don't say some things because I think everyone has already heard it, but just in case anyone hasn't jumped on the Gary Taubes/Robert Lustig train. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
It might sound harsh, but there's no great mystery to plain old weight loss. It's just a moderate amount of discipline coupled with not being a retard. And there's no industry conspiracy to the people's obesity, people are fat because bad food just so happens to be both cheap and taste really, really good. There's nothing I love more than a cold beer, and if I can have a pizza eat while I'm drinking it, hey, I'm a happy guy, but you'd have to be clinically retarded to be surprised that that kind of diet made you fat. | ||
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